Korean Game Addiction Treatment Looks Pretty Extreme
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Some really good comments came out of this but I would like to shed some light and fill in some gaps on this. Many people know that Korea has places called PC Bongs(play rooms) were all ages go and pay the equivalent of 1 dollar an hour to play any pc game the place has on the hard drive or online accounts. The kids will tell their parents that they are going to Hawgwongs (private schools) and instead go to the PC room. So they waste their parents money doing this. I know this because I teach ESL in South Korea and have had students that did this. Also Korea's education is pretty poor right now. The stereotype that they go to school more than US kids is BS. They get about the equivalent of a university schedule while in elementary, mid, and high school. They attend a lot of private schools because either A. their mom doesn't want them at home B. all the parents in an area are doing it, so keeping up with the Jones's mentality comes into play or C. They want to truly excel in some area or proficiency. If you read articles about Koreans studying in universities in America, you will find articles about them getting kicked out for plagiarism and cheating in IVY League and other universities. This is not solely each individuals fault, but a bad school system that teaches to copy to answers and memorize to get ahead. So yeah, their school system is nationally suffering like other countries (including America depending on location and area).
So after that long information drop, my opinion from personal experience is that Korea is sadly in a time where parents are taking a back seat to parenting and then wanting to use extremes to correct it. I don't see the camp as to bad a thing when I consider that I have known students that have said that it is the schools responsibility to teach manners and not the home. So you can see why it talks about elders being mistreated and such. Bad parents not wanting to parent children is the problem.
So after that long information drop, my opinion from personal experience is that Korea is sadly in a time where parents are taking a back seat to parenting and then wanting to use extremes to correct it. I don't see the camp as to bad a thing when I consider that I have known students that have said that it is the schools responsibility to teach manners and not the home. So you can see why it talks about elders being mistreated and such. Bad parents not wanting to parent children is the problem.
So it's the PARENT who decides? Well, that just throws it out the window because you have someone with zero experience in addiction AND any number of ulterior motives deciding.vansau said:
Story time! When I was a kid our local government (or school board or whatever) decided that elementary teachers should be the ones to decide what kids needed to be in Special Education, arguing that a learning disability would best be spotted by a teacher and not someone with some sort of medical degree who only saw the kid for a few hours.
Result:
- Special Ed class size tripled as some teachers dumped the kids they didn't want to deal with. Not just slow, but also loud, or cranky, or sassy. Or, as with one kid I knew, because the teacher had some bad blood with the kid's father.
- So Special Ed teachers were overworked.
- Genuinely disabled kids got less care because their teachers were overworked, having to keep order over a class of loud/cranky/sassy kids PLUS the kids with genuine problems.
- Non-disabled kids in the class got less of an education because the teachers were overworked.
- Some parents pulled their kids out of the class and sent them to live with relatives in another district. These kids were put back into their 'normal' grade level and were everyday average students.
- Special Ed quietly became synonymous with a dumping ground for kids you didn't want to bother with.
- The school district declared the plan a success and kept it going.
This feels off to me. It gives me misgivings. Is he saying that because he truly believes, on his own, he is corrupted and this is a chance to cleanse himself? Is he saying that because that's his country's mindwashing (not that the US and other countries don't have their own forms *coughtvshowscough*) affecting him?
It feels . . . wrong. Maybe it's because of the picture. It was -34F here yesterday. I well understand the pain and danger involved with getting snow on your bare skin in the cold (not to mention if you should have certain skin conditions). Granted, I'm sure it's not that cold there. . .but my instincts are screaming 'child abuse and endangerment' at me.
half naked in the snow and forced to rub it all over themselves risking hyperthermia in order to be "broken" down and thats just what we know about who knows what else goes on.Hardcore_gamer said:
you do realise these are children right?.
there have all ready been deaths from this kind of crap.
not being able to take it and not having a choice are two different things they were forced to do this maybe it will make them stronger it will also make them resent their parents maybe society as a whole strong and resentfull not a good combo.Hardcore_gamer said:
human rights apply to children too you CANT do this to humans hell you couldnt do this to a dog for crying out loud.
Hi everyone, I'm 22 yrs old and have a very very bad ability to just get on, work and get on with life. I used to be dynamic and on my feet doing loads of little jobs and getting on with life to a not bad, but insufficient degree.
But at the age of 18 i got clinically depressed, anxious and joined the UK benefit dependency culture (society). I really want to go to a work camp: a camp or retreat or placement or voluntary internment work live-in life. One of the reasons I got depressed was not being proactive enough, not having a good enough work ethic, doing very little productive things like work, not going out enough, having a very soft single parent mum, getting very little pressure from people to do things, not doing my school homework, not being told to do chores, watching too much TV, having my own PC, having friends who enabled me in a way to be tlike this.
So overall I've had a life which has been enabling me to not do work, to get a lot of help and support from other people, to be self-centred, to be inept at everything. I now have demons of reluctancy to do anything, depression, anxiety, neurosis, over-eating, bed sores, feeble physical health, hypochondria and the list very sadly goes on.
After 6 years of being completey and unconditionally dependent on others, I finally believe the only solution is for me to go to a Brat camp of some sort, which focuses on work discipline, with little rewards, no luxuries, basic small diet, pressure to have the correct demeanour, dress, etiquette, politeness, hygeine and nothing like cigarrettes, junk food, alcohol, and no leisure.
Unfortunately after 2 hours of frantically searching the internet I cannot find anything like a proper brat camp for adults anywhere, there is absolutely loads for kids up to late teens (19 yrs), but nothing for people older than that. Unfortunately I wouldn't be accepted for entrance to the UK armed forces for my mental health history, my feeble physical, my complete social ineptitude.
So I'm desperately seeking to find somewhere which I can go to very soon which is all about work discipline, with no leisure, enjoyment satisfaction factor like usual voluntary work camps, and that will make a small allowance for my feeble physical health (knee problems, shoulder problems, annd several other minor ailments).
So I'm posting this all to primarilly ask for help from people, and secondly to tell you all that work discipline camps for people of all ages, including middle school/UK junior school kids are a very effective solution to many problems.
How does the old saying go. Idle hands let...the devil have his way with you. It's kind of along those lines.
I would massively appreciate any input no matter what it is, from anyone, and I would want to reciprocate by doing anything for the inputter, if they would like that.
PS I receive loads of help from my local mental health team and have had extensive support over the years to no avail. I obviously will ask my support workers for help and input with this, but I don't it will result in much at all.
Thanx so much, Joe (South of England)
But at the age of 18 i got clinically depressed, anxious and joined the UK benefit dependency culture (society). I really want to go to a work camp: a camp or retreat or placement or voluntary internment work live-in life. One of the reasons I got depressed was not being proactive enough, not having a good enough work ethic, doing very little productive things like work, not going out enough, having a very soft single parent mum, getting very little pressure from people to do things, not doing my school homework, not being told to do chores, watching too much TV, having my own PC, having friends who enabled me in a way to be tlike this.
So overall I've had a life which has been enabling me to not do work, to get a lot of help and support from other people, to be self-centred, to be inept at everything. I now have demons of reluctancy to do anything, depression, anxiety, neurosis, over-eating, bed sores, feeble physical health, hypochondria and the list very sadly goes on.
After 6 years of being completey and unconditionally dependent on others, I finally believe the only solution is for me to go to a Brat camp of some sort, which focuses on work discipline, with little rewards, no luxuries, basic small diet, pressure to have the correct demeanour, dress, etiquette, politeness, hygeine and nothing like cigarrettes, junk food, alcohol, and no leisure.
Unfortunately after 2 hours of frantically searching the internet I cannot find anything like a proper brat camp for adults anywhere, there is absolutely loads for kids up to late teens (19 yrs), but nothing for people older than that. Unfortunately I wouldn't be accepted for entrance to the UK armed forces for my mental health history, my feeble physical, my complete social ineptitude.
So I'm desperately seeking to find somewhere which I can go to very soon which is all about work discipline, with no leisure, enjoyment satisfaction factor like usual voluntary work camps, and that will make a small allowance for my feeble physical health (knee problems, shoulder problems, annd several other minor ailments).
So I'm posting this all to primarilly ask for help from people, and secondly to tell you all that work discipline camps for people of all ages, including middle school/UK junior school kids are a very effective solution to many problems.
How does the old saying go. Idle hands let...the devil have his way with you. It's kind of along those lines.
I would massively appreciate any input no matter what it is, from anyone, and I would want to reciprocate by doing anything for the inputter, if they would like that.
PS I receive loads of help from my local mental health team and have had extensive support over the years to no avail. I obviously will ask my support workers for help and input with this, but I don't it will result in much at all.
Thanx so much, Joe (South of England)
Sorry I know there are Kibbutzes and loads of other things like that, I just don't think they would at all be as hard on me to the level I need and combine that with some allownce for my feeble health, and social anxiety and ineptitude which is what I want right now.
I just want to focus on the work side now and do the social human side afterwards, partly as working in life is more important than not being a socially inept weirdo, and that I think the possibility of overall progress won't be as high than if I just focus on the work discipline, getting on side.
Sorry if people reading this think my posting is very inappropiate for this forum and thread. I'm just going to focus all my efforts on this and so can afford the time to do this posting.
Thanks in advance to anybody!
I just want to focus on the work side now and do the social human side afterwards, partly as working in life is more important than not being a socially inept weirdo, and that I think the possibility of overall progress won't be as high than if I just focus on the work discipline, getting on side.
Sorry if people reading this think my posting is very inappropiate for this forum and thread. I'm just going to focus all my efforts on this and so can afford the time to do this posting.
Thanks in advance to anybody!
Not sure I see exactly what the problem is, especially given that this isn't just about playing games but is about playing them to the point of them negatively impacting the rest of your not.. not to mention the same response is quoted as also being used for missing school or joining gangs. Surely it's better than the "Aww, he's just a kid, let's ignore him until he grows out of it" approach prevalent in many western countries.
All that said, I think it's also about time to institute the same sort of thing for absentee parents who choose to ignore their children in favour of playing games since they also seem to have a problem with that in South Korea.
All that said, I think it's also about time to institute the same sort of thing for absentee parents who choose to ignore their children in favour of playing games since they also seem to have a problem with that in South Korea.
While I am sure these..."camps" are made with the best of intentions, frankly, I cannot help but feel like they are just training the next generation of Gomer Pyles:
