Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad

[SelectivelyEvil13]

I've never been interested in modding my consoles, but it just seems like common sense not to update them like this. Hell, I didn't update my 360 recently because I don't play online anyway, so why should I subject my poor, innocent 360 to the festering Kinect-STD patch that will make the Avatars that I already hate even worse? And don't even get me started on that bloody mess of a layout that Microsoft has exacerbated. :S

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Stealth updates are illegal. I don't care what they say. We consumers have rights.

 

[red dragon 52]

The battle against piracy will never end, and the Pirates will always be winning. They throw stuff like this up, and it takes at most a month for it to be cracked.

 

[ionveau]

pirates kill baby's kill people and eat human flesh i hate them HATE HATE HATE.
i love my money hungry corporations /bends over can i have some more?

 

[Estocavio]

I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

^ this.
People with hacked consoles don't play online because xbox live automatically fucks up their xbox when it detects the mods.
There are a very few exceptions, but for the most part, people with mods on their xboxes don't want to play online even if they could.
I'm guessing it'll take about 2-3 weeks for them to crack it.

9/10, hackers get their way.

Furthermore, a hacker could just use the illicit discs on a second console, WITHOUT linking to the internet, and therefore not connecting to xbox live, and therefore the problem would not exist. Theres alot of hackers, and their goals are simple. Countermeasures only last so long

Console games are severely limited in every single aspect of the entertainment you get out of the game. Cant blame people for trying to make console games better using mods. PC ftw,lol

OT:Isnt piracy just for poor people anyway?

And cheapskates. Poor people and cheapskates

 

[Kouen]

I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

Because you want to play multiplayer games online.

This has happened before. I know a guy who got caught back when Mw2 was released and a bunch of people got banned for it. The hardware gets ruined too. Which is a horrible thing because some people will go trade in their consoles and unless they get checked for online capability, some unfortunate sod could end up with it.

Like me... Bought my 360 at the time cheap just after the very first ban wave, and ya my xbox 360 came pre-banned from xbl

 

[Radelaide]

*snip*

Regarding your bizarre hatred of EULA:

It's an END-USER AGREEMENT. Meaning that it is a contract between you, the user, and them, the developer which says that they agree to provide the service (see: game) if you agree not to pirate or modify the game or service without their express permission.

One would assume that before you modified your console with an update as major as this, you would read the fine print to make sure that you wouldn't be breaking any rules or such, which does include modifying games or the console in ways that it wasn't intended. So you're agreeing to up-hold your end of the contract and they'll agree to provide you with a game or service.

And also, with each update Microsoft release, there is a new EULA.

I mean, it's not that hard to understand and in certain cases it IS legally binding.

 

[Siuss]

Okay, this may be dumb, and forgive me if it is.

I've only met one person with a modded console, and it was an Xbox, not the 360 but that old thing. Now the thing is he had all his games on a hard drive, thus no disc required to run. Now I don't really know anything about this but couldn't the pirates in question just do the same mod and be past this? Since ya know there's no disc check?

 

[Rad Party God]

Okay, this may be dumb, and forgive me if it is.

I've only met one person with a modded console, and it was an Xbox, not the 360 but that old thing. Now the thing is he had all his games on a hard drive, thus no disc required to run. Now I don't really know anything about this but couldn't the pirates in question just do the same mod and be past this? Since ya know there's no disc check?

It's a bit more complicated than that, I'm not familiar with modding a 360, but I do have a friend with a modded 360. Be it a modded console or not, you can install games to the hard drive disk, BUT, in order to get them to run, you still need the disc itself, it loads some data and once the game starts loading itself, the disc stops spinning.

I don't know if this is a different case involving the Games On Demand program, where you can buy and download full games directly to your HDD, but I think it uses some sort of copy protection for it.

 

[Torrasque]

I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

^ this.
People with hacked consoles don't play online because xbox live automatically fucks up their xbox when it detects the mods.
There are a very few exceptions, but for the most part, people with mods on their xboxes don't want to play online even if they could.
I'm guessing it'll take about 2-3 weeks for them to crack it.

9/10, hackers get their way.

I don't think it's legal to vandalize or destroy someone else's property for any reason.

"Legal"ity loses all meaning when placed upon the sacrificial alter that is the internet.
ANYONE can take ANYTHING they want from ANYTHING if they know how.
I do not know any way to make that more explicitly obvious, than stating it as I have...

 

[Callate]

I just hope they've done their due dilligence in making sure the new scheme won't accidentally flag legitimate customers. Always a concern.

 

[Auric]

Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

It really should be though. It would make things a lot easier and help the industry a lot.

No it shouldn't be. They can put anything into a EULA.

That's why you read it and not agree to it if you don't like something.

You know i you would be if i did that every time i brought a game?

Insane.

Also id be screaming at shop owners right now for not letting me return the games because i don't accept the EULA.

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I give it 2 days.
Also, what type of pirate updates their console?

Obviously some of them do, why else would they need to crack it?

It seems like it would be easier to just have two 360s in the house: one for pirating and one for xbox live.



Here's a question for those with a xbox.
How anal is this drm? Does it screw you over for just having a scratch on the game?

Its funny because this would probably be cheaper than them going legit.

 

[zxBARRICADExz]

I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

because having a j-tag'd box is cool to tell people about on live... and because those people that do have one are fuckin cunts.

MS needs to start updating firmware more often to catch these bastards.

They actually hack the CD drive and not the console itself. I read into it because i was gonna do it to mine. Also I wouldn't do it and play online. I wouldn't even connect to the Internet with it.

J-Tag is mostly software.. it allows packet sending to be modified to xbl servers. but ya drive swapping is as old as the moon when it comes to the 360.. eventually with a proper firmware update they will be able to block out anything hardware that dosnt belong.. ..oh shit! i forgot!..they'll just ban so these folks buy another box to fill their pockets even more..

 

[Buizel91]

Dear Microsoft DRM Division
The majority of the pirates play xbox offline with their copied disks on old or modded firmware. Oh, and of course, it'll probably be cracked within a week. Congratulations on doing abso-fucking-lutely no good at all, probably wasting a crap load of money, and persecuting bystanders and legitimate customers.

Regards
Someone who is VERY GLAD they aren't a M$ customer.

But for the people who do play online in secret...they are kinda fucked.

 

[Buizel91]

Stealth updates are illegal. I don't care what they say. We consumers have rights.

Remember when you joined XBL? you had to agree to something? yeh, well read this

It's an END-USER AGREEMENT. Meaning that it is a contract between you, the user, and them, the developer which says that they agree to provide the service (see: game) if you agree not to pirate or modify the game or service without their express permission.

One would assume that before you modified your console with an update as major as this, you would read the fine print to make sure that you wouldn't be breaking any rules or such, which does include modifying games or the console in ways that it wasn't intended. So you're agreeing to up-hold your end of the contract and they'll agree to provide you with a game or service.

No matter what you say, you signed that agreement, and they can do what they like to the people that do ANYTHING illegal to THEIR Console.

And to be fair, they told us we were going to get updated, they don't have to tell us what's on that update...

Fell free to pirate all you want, but Microsoft gets my respect for doing this.

 

[Buizel91]

So, uh, no one sees anything wrong with the disturbing number of people on this thread who are referring to pirates as dirty, worthless human beings and wishing physical violence on them?

I'm just saying, mods ban people on here for mentioning that they pirate games, which isn't even a criminal offense.

Do you you know how many people go to court over this?

i know someone who is currently in jail for pirating.

*Sigh* Escapist, i thought you were a smart society

 

[Lord_Jaroh]

Exactly. Because it isn't legally binding.

I mean you can't force someone to agree to something based on the past. You have to disclose the information beforehand.

In this case, the sign would be located outside the room. And no EULA that I am aware of does what that comic does.

You can read the UELA before you buy the game? I'm impressed! Because normally I don't get to see it until after I try to install the game, after the purchase, and if I don't agree to it, I can't return the game. Which means that it happes exactly how this comic does...

 

[Buizel91]

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Wait what? Why did they even sign onto Xbox Live?

Idiot pirates are idiots.

Reminds me of the guy who got that pirated version of Halo 3's release code, couldn't get it to work and actually CONTACTED SUPPORT!

Got banned 'til 99/99/9999.

He could be Immortal?

Never know *Shrug*

 

[thublihnk]

So, uh, no one sees anything wrong with the disturbing number of people on this thread who are referring to pirates as dirty, worthless human beings and wishing physical violence on them?

I'm just saying, mods ban people on here for mentioning that they pirate games, which isn't even a criminal offense.

Do you you know how many people go to court over this?

i know someone who is currently in jail for pirating.

*Sigh* Escapist, i thought you were a smart society

Yes, you can go to court, because it is a *civil* offense.

And yes, you can go to jail for the sale of pirated materials, as THAT is a criminal offense.

But traditional pirating, the downloading and non-profit distribution of copyrighted materials is a civil offense, which is up to the offended parties to investigate and prosecute (at least under current law). And that is a civil suit, again, so monetary claims are at stake, not jail time. Don't condescend to me, buddy. I know my shit.

 

[kebab4you]

Hard facts from the iXtreme (modding firmware) website & forum.

AP2.5 will immediately stop a backup game functioning and flag the console for a ban. It only effects games with AP2.5. For example: a backup of Fable 3 will not run and will get you flagged. A retail copy of Fable 3 will also get you flagged, if your firmware is modified. Any older games will work fine.

The creators of iXtreme have already announced that they've "beaten" AP2.5 and have Fable 3 running on newer drives such as BenQ and Lite-on. The new firmware (dubbed Lite Touch+) is planned for release "very soon", most likely very early next year.

CoD: Black Ops has been leaked and confirmed to not be using AP2.5. None of the tested Kinect titles have it either, though not all have been tested.

Older 360 drives (Samsung ones, to be particular) are not compatible with AP2.5 and the checks will not be performed. Pirates with flashed Samsung drives are therefor immune to AP2.5. However, drive switching and spoofing is detectable, so pirates are not safe to simply switch to a Samsung drive.

So...congrats, Microsoft! You bought yourselves immunity to piracy. Well, to some piracy. For one game. For a few weeks.

Morons.

Congratz Microsoft seems like it worked out well... for the pirates at least.