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maddawg IAJI

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maddawg IAJI said:
My brother is decent as Ashe, but I don't like laning with him unless I'm playing someone with a slow and some decent damage output. Zilean is good, but he can't deal enough damage fast enough to score a kill.
Yeah I rarely lane with him, he's usually mid. I tend to play assassins who are dependant on people to set me up for ganks early game...Warwick, Nocturne, people like that.
True that, Zilean's really there to support and scare people off to be honest.
And without a void staff, his damage output is completely ruined against tanks like Jarvan, Alistar or even Mundo.
 

John Funk

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
John Funk said:
attackshark said:
xin zhou, eh?

do you also boast when you kick old people over or take candy from babies?
Dude, he's based on Zhao Yun from Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I couldn't NOT play as someone based on Zhao Yun :p
And yet, you guys can't give Dynasty Warrior 7 (the best since 4) a positive review to save your life? Ouch.
I don't actually play the DW games, to be honest - and I don't think anyone else on the staff does either. I just love the actual novel.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
Falcon123 said:
I am obsessed with LoL. I play a decent Amumu, but I absolutely love Nasus, Can't wait to try Yorick out :p
I want Yorick. Nocturne, Warwick and Rumble tend to be my A-game dudes.
No, you really don't. Yorick is massively bugged and underpowered. Phreak did his spotlight, and hated every second of it. He's expected to get MASSIVE buffs next patch, if not sooner.

I play Karthus, Shen, MF, Anivia, and Nocturne. And I wish the community was better, but I hear DOTA and HoN aren't much better.
Excellent. I love the sound of his playstyle.
Thanks a lot for the heads-up dude, I'll wait and see for a while then. And no, I don't think the communities for HoN or DOTA are much better. I guess it has a lot to do with the nature of the games being so dependent on teammates.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
Falcon123 said:
I am obsessed with LoL. I play a decent Amumu, but I absolutely love Nasus, Can't wait to try Yorick out :p
I want Yorick. Nocturne, Warwick and Rumble tend to be my A-game dudes.
No, you really don't. Yorick is massively bugged and underpowered. Phreak did his spotlight, and hated every second of it. He's expected to get MASSIVE buffs next patch, if not sooner.

I play Karthus, Shen, MF, Anivia, and Nocturne. And I wish the community was better, but I hear DOTA and HoN aren't much better.
Excellent. I love the sound of his playstyle.
Thanks a lot for the heads-up dude, I'll wait and see for a while then. And no, I don't think the communities for HoN or DOTA are much better. I guess it has a lot to do with the nature of the games being so dependent on teammates.
His play style SOUNDS good. But in execution:

The minion rarely last longer than 3 seconds, and never more than 5.
Yorick's armor and MR ratios are too low to be in combat like he's designed.
For a "Tanky DPS" champ, his speed is the lowest in the game (300) and he has no closing move.
He has massive mana problems that can only be solved with Golem Buff (something better off on your AP Carry) or Tear of the Goddess, forcing you to build in 3 directions, all with bad ratios.
On release day, if your revenent from your ult died while the ulted teammate was in his death animation, the character would revive, die, revive, die, and continue like this. Score on release day of 7/512/10 weren't uncommon. I was 489/2/7 as Vayne. That's not good.
I like to think of the current Yorick as a nerfed Mordekaiser. It's true he's hilariously impractical right now and apparently has some bugs (as you mentioned) but he'll probably be buffed soon enough.

It'll probably be similar to Cassiopeia in the sense that at first she was severely underpowered, but later on people found out she's not that bad.
 

maddawg IAJI

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
maddawg IAJI said:
My brother is decent as Ashe, but I don't like laning with him unless I'm playing someone with a slow and some decent damage output. Zilean is good, but he can't deal enough damage fast enough to score a kill.
Yeah I rarely lane with him, he's usually mid. I tend to play assassins who are dependant on people to set me up for ganks early game...Warwick, Nocturne, people like that.
True that, Zilean's really there to support and scare people off to be honest.
And without a void staff, his damage output is completely ruined against tanks like Jarvan, Alistar or even Mundo.
Don't ever call Alistair, Mundo, or Jarvan "tanks". They are Tanky DPS. A tank is someone who can keep people off your damage dealers. Shen, Rammus, Malphite, Amumu, Nunu, Galio, etc.
And Alistar isn't one? 2 of his moves are meant to keep people away from the group during teamfights. Jarvan's Ult can trap entire teams for short periods of time, not to mention that his main combo knocks enemies up and his shield helps out his teammates. Mundo is the only questionable one there, but he is great for turret diving and dealing huge amounts of damage.
 

maddawg IAJI

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
maddawg IAJI said:
NameIsRobertPaulson said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
maddawg IAJI said:
My brother is decent as Ashe, but I don't like laning with him unless I'm playing someone with a slow and some decent damage output. Zilean is good, but he can't deal enough damage fast enough to score a kill.
Yeah I rarely lane with him, he's usually mid. I tend to play assassins who are dependant on people to set me up for ganks early game...Warwick, Nocturne, people like that.
True that, Zilean's really there to support and scare people off to be honest.
And without a void staff, his damage output is completely ruined against tanks like Jarvan, Alistar or even Mundo.
Don't ever call Alistair, Mundo, or Jarvan "tanks". They are Tanky DPS. A tank is someone who can keep people off your damage dealers. Shen, Rammus, Malphite, Amumu, Nunu, Galio, etc.
And Alistar isn't one? 2 of his moves are meant to keep people away from the group during teamfights. Jarvan's Ult can trap entire teams for short periods of time, not to mention that his main combo knocks enemies up and his shield helps out his teammates. Mundo is the only questionable one there, but he is great for turret diving and dealing huge amounts of damage.
Because Alistair doesn't have damage mitigation, or good enough armor, MR, and HP ratios to confidently initiate a teamfight. Jarvan Ult can save a teammate, but he is better built with damage, depriving him of the armor and MR needed to soak up damage and initiate.

A tank needs something like Shen's dashing taunt, forcing the enemy to fight him with allowing your damage to do their work, or Amumu's hard CC to initiate a fight successfully.

Any character CAN be built as a tank. I once built Tank Anivia for giggles. But only a few are ideal for this role. Alistair has better ratios as an AP Support or AP Carry, Jarvan as a Tanky DPS.
He does have a small AOE heal that can keep players alive early game. Granted its no support heal, but its something that can keep you pushing. As for his armor and HP, he has a higher ratio then Amumu, Shen, Rammus and Taric. Alistar can be a great tank, especially due to the fact that he is great at isolating the damage dealers during team fights and setting others up for ganks. There is a reason as to why Alistar rarely went unused at Dreamhack. Its because when he was used right, he was an unstoppable force.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
Falcon123 said:
I am obsessed with LoL. I play a decent Amumu, but I absolutely love Nasus, Can't wait to try Yorick out :p
I want Yorick. Nocturne, Warwick and Rumble tend to be my A-game dudes.
No, you really don't. Yorick is massively bugged and underpowered. Phreak did his spotlight, and hated every second of it. He's expected to get MASSIVE buffs next patch, if not sooner.

I play Karthus, Shen, MF, Anivia, and Nocturne. And I wish the community was better, but I hear DOTA and HoN aren't much better.
Excellent. I love the sound of his playstyle.
Thanks a lot for the heads-up dude, I'll wait and see for a while then. And no, I don't think the communities for HoN or DOTA are much better. I guess it has a lot to do with the nature of the games being so dependent on teammates.
His play style SOUNDS good. But in execution:

The minion rarely last longer than 3 seconds, and never more than 5.
Yorick's armor and MR ratios are too low to be in combat like he's designed.
For a "Tanky DPS" champ, his speed is the lowest in the game (300) and he has no closing move.
He has massive mana problems that can only be solved with Golem Buff (something better off on your AP Carry) or Tear of the Goddess, forcing you to build in 3 directions, all with bad ratios.
On release day, if your revenent from your ult died while the ulted teammate was in his death animation, the character would revive, die, revive, die, and continue like this. Score on release day of 7/512/10 weren't uncommon. I was 489/2/7 as Vayne. That's not good.
He definitely sounds like he needs some serious changes.
Incidentally that last part, whilst a dreadful bug, is fucking hilarious xD