. . . My computer can't display it :'(SmashLovesTitanQuest said:NO!!! NEVER!!!
LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS! LOOK AT THEM!!!
Leave me alone PC gamers!
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Do you enjoy a good flamestorm?CrunkParty said:
Do the fires of hatred warm the cockles of your heart?
Do you feel the need to entertain yourself by watching others have arguments over the pettiest of subjects?
If so, then this thread is for you.
I agree 100%.VeneratedWulfen93 said:
On that other point you mentioned, YES to the higher-than-thou condescending smirk of some PC owners. I have a feeling those individuals brag about the ability to stream p0rn at the same time they run WoW. T_T
Then again, fanboys are everywhere. X-douches are just as bad.
I myself have grown overfond of my PSP, to the point of showing it to my friends as if my actual child; on to some adorable antics...
The matter is however settled as soon as you look at a computer as a tool. I use mine strictly for work. (withtheoccasionalmatchofDawnOfWarbutthatdoesntcount'K?!)
My daddy is buying me a PC for christmas (and before people make smarmy remarks, I'm 27 and living on my own. Daddy however doesn't mind me calling him that <3) and he's doing it so we can play some games together.Vigormortis said:Actually, if you really had read through most of the posts, you'd have noticed that a vast majority of the self-proclaimed PC gamers on here have been the most well-mannered and open of the posters.chinangel said:
In fact, most of the confrontational posts, like the one quoted from you, have been from the console players. Kind of telling about this whole discussion. (though, sad to say, there have been one or two rather obnoxious PC commentors)
I have to ask: Do you not see the issue of lambasting PC gamers for be "prejudiced" towards consoles and console gamers, simply on principle, when you yourself are "prejudiced" towards PCs and PC gamers for the very same reason? How does that not make you just as guilty as the "PC elitists" you revile so much?
You can make all the claims you want about PC gamers being "mean" to you for your choice of gaming platform, but don't expect any sympathies when you do the same to them.
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On a side note, however, I have to add a few things.
Firstly, you can build a decent PC today for between $300 and $400 that is vastly more powerful and vastly more capable than any of the current-gen consoles. So your "$700" is quite an exaggeration.
Secondly, I'm not sure what kind of computers your familiar with, but I don't need dozens of different programs to "help it run". All I need is an operating system and a few drivers, same as a console requires. Likewise, any superfluous programs I might use (not require) don't require monthly fees. The only case I can think of a software package, used for gaming, requiring a monthly fee is, ironically, Xbox Live.
Now, no one will argue that buying a PC is, initially, a little more expensive than buying a console. However, over the course of owning either system, you will end up saving a hell of a lot more money with a PC than you ever will with a console.
The increased costs of games, services, peripherals, etc you find on consoles add up quite quickly. Given both the lower costs of ownership and increased number of services available on PC, PCs end up being cheaper for gaming than consoles.
As for being "hacked" or acquiring viruses, well...that's on the user. If you practice safe internet surfing then you'll be fine.
Your comment on the "general unpleasantness of the PC community" is not only an inflammatory generalization, it's just rude. There's no call for that. Not if we all want a have a conversation and not an argument.
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All that said, I don't care what platform someone games on. What ever platform suits your needs or proves to be more fun should be the one you use. Regardless of it's "pros" and "cons".
You prefer one of the consoles? Great! Good for you. It's no skin off my bones. Hell, if it's an Xbox360 or a Wii perhaps we can play something together. God knows I wouldn't mind an excuse to start using my Xbox again.
Still, though you seem dead-fast in your hatred of PC gaming, I wouldn't mind introducing you to the wonders held within. There are a lot of great games to be enjoyed on the PC.
If you ever change your mind, I know of a few really great TF2 servers.
Perhaps, but that's still no excuse to act that way. Especially if we, the PC gamers, are going to rid ourselves of the "elitist" image.Mycroft Holmes said:
Come on man. We can do better!
While I do thank you for the offer, I will politely decline the TF2 thing...mostly because i"m not really interested in it. I've played the game before and It's not really my thing, sorry.
I'm a PC gamer, but not for graphics or specs or price (certainly not price). I like it because the platform is open where as consoles have much heavier restrictions. I probably couldn't play Bethesda games without mods to add more content to them. I would be disappointed to know that all this custom content for L4D or Portal is out there as custom maps made by players that I couldn't access on PS3 or Xbox. That's all it's really about for me... well... that and more reliable online gaming.
That said, I'm under the belief that Xbox is the least impressive of the three consoles. I know I'll get flack for this, but it really is. PS3 is bloated with tech it doesn't use, has too much firmware, and has a joke of online service, but it has way more exclusives that interest me than Xbox. On top of that, it's not as open as PC (not by a long shot) but it is more open than Xbox. This may mean lesser security, but I'd honestly trade in a little security for more functionality... until it gets taken away in a firmware update and someone has to hack it to restore that feature.
As for the Wii, it ended up being a disappointing system, but it set out to do something different and fun. It also has more exclusives that interest me, but that's due to a 20-year library of games sitting on Virtual console. Had Nintendo taken just a little more time to add more finesse to controls, it probably would have been universally accepted by everyone, but it was pushed out (imo) too early and we got a lesser product. I'm looking forward to the WiiU because I see greater potential there, but it is equally likely to fuck it up. We'll just have to wait & see.
That's my thoughts on the consoles. tl;dr: Xbox is the least impressive or interesting console of the bunch regardless of comparisons to PC or not, imo.
That said, I'm under the belief that Xbox is the least impressive of the three consoles. I know I'll get flack for this, but it really is. PS3 is bloated with tech it doesn't use, has too much firmware, and has a joke of online service, but it has way more exclusives that interest me than Xbox. On top of that, it's not as open as PC (not by a long shot) but it is more open than Xbox. This may mean lesser security, but I'd honestly trade in a little security for more functionality... until it gets taken away in a firmware update and someone has to hack it to restore that feature.
As for the Wii, it ended up being a disappointing system, but it set out to do something different and fun. It also has more exclusives that interest me, but that's due to a 20-year library of games sitting on Virtual console. Had Nintendo taken just a little more time to add more finesse to controls, it probably would have been universally accepted by everyone, but it was pushed out (imo) too early and we got a lesser product. I'm looking forward to the WiiU because I see greater potential there, but it is equally likely to fuck it up. We'll just have to wait & see.
That's my thoughts on the consoles. tl;dr: Xbox is the least impressive or interesting console of the bunch regardless of comparisons to PC or not, imo.
Fair enough. The TF2 offer wasn't the only thing from PC gaming I was referring to. It was simply a small example tossed into the friendly gesture.chinangel said:
Still, when you receive that computer for Christmas, don't be so quick to dismiss it once you're done with Guild Wars 2. Like I said before, PC gaming has a lot to offer. Would be a shame if you didn't at least give it a chance.
I am a PC gamer and have been for a while now, what I prefer about the PC is the freedom to it. On a console a game is made published sold at a price set by the publisher and game distributor. You are told how to play a game on what screen and with what controller with a pre-determined control scheme ,sometimes a few if you're lucky. I also think that the gap between consoles and pc gaming is becoming to distant, and the stubbornness of sony and microsoft does not help. With windows 8 and the ps4 and xbox 720 just around the corner and not looking good, I think there will be a big jump to linux and the ouya and the wiiU. I also think that valve agrees as they are trying as hard as possible to get steam onto linux as soon as possible.
But as the gap becomes bigger people will be more inclined to make a preference and stick to it. It will be a lot harder to make the change between the two ways of gaming. I think that this is the wrong way forwards and although there should be a difference between each console and computer gaming, they should try and work together to have more cross platform multiplayer, like mac and windows and steam and ps3 (with portal 2)
But as the gap becomes bigger people will be more inclined to make a preference and stick to it. It will be a lot harder to make the change between the two ways of gaming. I think that this is the wrong way forwards and although there should be a difference between each console and computer gaming, they should try and work together to have more cross platform multiplayer, like mac and windows and steam and ps3 (with portal 2)
Yay for consoles forcing people to make cross-platform games that does not work as intended on either system!
Wait, is that on topic
Does it even make sense
I do not care
I really can not see why people would use consoles for anything but compact in house multiplayer
I used to play console for years, then i got a good computer
Wait, is that on topic
Does it even make sense
I do not care
I really can not see why people would use consoles for anything but compact in house multiplayer
I used to play console for years, then i got a good computer
Well, I hate to sound like I'm coming down on you like everyone you described in your post, but yea there are a lot of problems with gaming that consoles perpetuate. Price, continued reliance on DirectX 9, obsolete hardware, forced lower standards for graphics, and of course lobby based game servers. I know, I used to love my xbox but now that I've gotten a gaming PC I find myself hating almost everything about it. I wish that xbox would put games first, but these days it seems like ads, youtube, facebook, more ads, and zune are more important to xbox than the actual games I bought the thing for.
Maybe consoles themselves aren't the problem, maybe its just the people making them that need to be reminded what games and gaming are all about. Because the "home entertainment experience" is not what I paid 300 bucks for. There are some things that can't be defended this way however, the fact that pc games are being held back by 'consolification' and the need to meet the lowest common denominator (the console hardware). And some of the bewilderingly bad design decisions game makers make to accommodate the broadest audience, the console audience.
I also noticed that you too play warhammer 40k, I myself have about 5000pts of ultramarines, and a warlord titan. Believe me, I know what expensive means. But if you approach pc building intelligently there is no reason it can't be affordable, newegg and amazon exist for a reason. Heck, there are even affordable pre-built sites like sagernotebooks.com or ibuypower.com.
Maybe consoles themselves aren't the problem, maybe its just the people making them that need to be reminded what games and gaming are all about. Because the "home entertainment experience" is not what I paid 300 bucks for. There are some things that can't be defended this way however, the fact that pc games are being held back by 'consolification' and the need to meet the lowest common denominator (the console hardware). And some of the bewilderingly bad design decisions game makers make to accommodate the broadest audience, the console audience.
I also noticed that you too play warhammer 40k, I myself have about 5000pts of ultramarines, and a warlord titan. Believe me, I know what expensive means. But if you approach pc building intelligently there is no reason it can't be affordable, newegg and amazon exist for a reason. Heck, there are even affordable pre-built sites like sagernotebooks.com or ibuypower.com.
True, but then again you'll have to "fork out...large sums of money" for the new consoles when they release. Far more than you'd pay for the current gen consoles. So really, it's a fair comparison.Archangel357 said:
Compatibility issues are par for the course when you have so many different hardware manufacturers making so many different parts for each individual PC. I was never dismissing that point.
However, that still doesn't change the fact that a console requires operating systems and driver packages too. OS and packages that often have their own set of issues, bugs, and shortcomings. (Xbox Live party system anyone?) And, more and more now-a-days, will require constant firmware updates and driver patches for it's games.
Think, how many times have popped the disc for a game you just purchased into your console and, before you can even load it up, it asks you to download an update?
Consoles today are plagued by same things PCs have had to deal with for years.
Your list isn't exactly fair, is it? I mean, you add buying software packages like MS Office towards the price of a gaming PC. Does your console run MS Office?
Likewise, if you're going to add things like external speakers and gamepads (why would you need speakers AND a headset?), then you might as well add in the price of your TV and controllers for your console. Besides, you don't need things like external hard-drives. Why add that as a "required price for admission" for PCs? You can buy external drives for consoles, so where's the difference?
Since learning how to safely surf the web, I've only been hit once by malware over the course of my last three PCs. Even then, it was because of my carelessness.
Clicking on a banner ad, by the way, is on the user. That's not the PCs fault.
If someone gets "hacked", it's usually because they did something incredibly reckless, brash, or careless while online, or they did something to make themselves an enticing target to would-be hackers. There are so many individual machines connected to the internet that it's a pipe-dream to think hackers are actively seeking individuals out, "just for fun". Websites, famous persons, and corporations, sure. But to go through the trouble of actively hunting down some random person, for no other reason than to do it? Rarely if ever happens.
Fact of the matter is, if you're careful about your time online, you're safe from most malware. Not all, but as long as you're mindful of what you're doing, you should be okay.
I never said PCs were perfect. Nor did I say consoles are inherently bad. I was simply pointing out the false claims people often make to belittle PC gamers and PC gaming. Same as I would if someone was making false claims against consoles.
I too own a PC and several consoles/handhelds. Hell, I've got a few boxes full of old consoles and console games in my closet. I still occasionally pull out the Nintendo 64 to game with friends at a party.
What I'm saying is, I'm a gamer. I've been gaming since I was wee-lad in the 80's. As such, I've "gamed" on a lot of varied systems. Therefore, I don't care what others game on. If they're having fun then why should that bother me? What kind of jerk would deride someone for gaming on a different platform?
I certainly won't.
OP, thumbs up for playing 40k.
OT: I went from being a PC gamer, to PS3, back to PC, and, honestly, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. PCs have graphics, longevity and convenience. Consoles are more well rounded for all types of games, e.g. driving games, flight games, platformers. Consoles are also easier to manage because you don't have to deal with driver updates, upgrades, malfunctions, cooling, etc.
It really just depends on what you're into, and people eho rag on others for their preferences are dicks, just ignore them OP, that's all you need to do.
OT: I went from being a PC gamer, to PS3, back to PC, and, honestly, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. PCs have graphics, longevity and convenience. Consoles are more well rounded for all types of games, e.g. driving games, flight games, platformers. Consoles are also easier to manage because you don't have to deal with driver updates, upgrades, malfunctions, cooling, etc.
It really just depends on what you're into, and people eho rag on others for their preferences are dicks, just ignore them OP, that's all you need to do.
Surely then, no one should even own a PS3, what with Sony's problems? [http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2011/jan/07/playstation-3-hack-ps3] The user didn't even need to have done anything.Archangel357 said:
You know what I find funny? That I could produce a copy of a gaming magazine that I used to read back in the '90s where multiple letters had been sent to the editors complaining about them daring to call a PC a "gaming computer" since they were "Personal Computers".
What I have never understood though, and never will understand is that apparently there are SO many people who can get this worked up over what other people spend their money on. No really, explain how it would affect me that someone whom I will likely never meet, who may well live on the opposite side of the world, buys an XBOX instead of a Wii or sticks with his PS2 because he has little interest in PS3 games?
What I have never understood though, and never will understand is that apparently there are SO many people who can get this worked up over what other people spend their money on. No really, explain how it would affect me that someone whom I will likely never meet, who may well live on the opposite side of the world, buys an XBOX instead of a Wii or sticks with his PS2 because he has little interest in PS3 games?
wow do you feel better now? one of the major problems that gets is that the community are inconsiderate dicks who cannot socialize properly with other people. boy am i glad there is no such thing in the pc community /sarcasmSanat said:
have you ever considered that some people cannot afford to pimp out their computers or buy new and powerful machines? basically what you are doing is shouting at someone for not being affluent, i cannot find anything redeemable about your elitist behaviour i find it disgusting.
i myself have been fortunate to have disposable wealth to purchase both consoles and a complete pc gaming rig, but i know several people who dont have the same circumstances of disposable income to use on what basically is a hobby. being rich does not entitle you to exclude people and/or be a dick
sigh i can only hope that you were being sarcastic.
The only reason it's really an issue is because you're actually giving some credit to their complaints. It doesn't matter now, then or in the future. If you want to play on a console or a PC then go right ahead. As long as you enjoy it, it shouldn't matter.
I like the controller more because its more familiar and comfier, but some people like the mouse/keyboard combo more. Can't see how, but it doesn't effect me in any way, so why should I care.
I like the controller more because its more familiar and comfier, but some people like the mouse/keyboard combo more. Can't see how, but it doesn't effect me in any way, so why should I care.
To be entirely honest, Consoles, especially this generation, have had their own sets of problems along those lines that an experienced PC user won't have.Archangel357 said:
As an example, the Red Ring of Death on early Xboxs. Not something PC has to worry about. Skyrim not working well on the PS3, and because of this no DLC for the PS3, Not something PC has to worry about. System failure after firmware update is something both PCs and Consoles have to worry about, but with a PC you have slightly more control over it - you can be smart in what you buy whilst assembling the PC, and up/downgrade drivers relatively easily. Worst case, a complete reload is simple to do, whilst with a console if something goes very bad you have to pay Sony/Microsoft to fix it for you.
A lot of people do have problems with consoles. Maybe not as many as on PC, but I don't have statistics to back that up. Hell, on these forums I've had discussions with people who've gone through 3 or more consoles thanks to them dying. You might not have had such problems with yours, but I've also never had such problems with my PC - everything for me has always just worked - and it probably ends up evening itself out.
I believe he's talking about the cost of making a PC as a dedicated gaming platform, like you'd use your console for. $300-$400 on hardware, and no need for MSOffice. If you buy 10 or more games, you'll make up the difference in cost between a console and PC thanks to PC games generally being $10 cheaper in retail than console games.
Whilst you site very few people having the kind of money to make a PC just for gaming, I find that unlikely. If you can buy a console just for gaming, you can buy a PC just for gaming. Its just that the majority of people will tend to spend more on non-gaming programs on the PC as PCs are useful both as gaming platforms and utilities, and these days its hard to live without the utility side of it.
I'd equate it more to having to buy Windows for the PC. Both are required to use said item, and both have other functions. Buying Microsoft Office is more akin to paying for cable TV. Its an extra use for the thing your gaming platform is dependent on, that costs more but is in no way necessary.
And on consoles there is the very real risk that their network will be hacked and your personal data stolen. Yes this can happen on the PC too, but unless you're careless its rare.
I'm not going to deny that PCs have problems, but consoles have their fair share these days too, and even in the PS2 era my PS2 would constantly overheat and crash for no reason. Both PCs and consoles have a fair capacity to fail for their user, but with a PC you're more in control, and if something goes wrong its likely your fault.
I'd just like to shower you with love for your choice of avatar (I have an image of Gwynplaine as my current phone backgroundO maestre said:
I'm actually pretty sure that PCs are also subject to their parts breaking or working improperly. Granted, they won't display an actual red ring of death, but that's just semantics.Joccaren said:
PC parts can break down, but that's generally due whoever built it not paying attention to heat and airflow - which anything you buy in store will generally be fine for, and if you build it yourself its your fault that it failed. Even with heat problems most of the time, in my experience, the PC just crashes, and you can continue to use the card later, usually after letting it cool down a bit. Faulty parts are occasionally sold, but in general you'll notice within the 6 months to a year+ that the warranty lasts for, and be able to get a new one, and even this can be avoided the vast majority of the time by buying from reliable brands.Jordy Hartog said:
With the early Xboxs, it was luck as to whether you RRODd or not. The design of the Xbox paid no head to heat management, and would overheat too often, killing the machine - at least if my memory is working properly. There was little you could do to prevent this. You couldn't lower graphical settings, you couldn't underclock your hardware, you couldn't move anything around inside to reduce the heat and you couldn't buy extra internal fans for better airflow. If it died, it wasn't your fault, and there was nothing you could do to fix it.