Left 4 Dead 2 not different? Yeah right
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Facts to support this statement = None.andrewfox said:
NOT APPROVED.
-stamps you with DENIED stamp-
The core gameplay of Left 4 Dead 2 is pretty much identical, but there is plenty of new content to justify a sequel. Most sequels bring just as much, or less, new stuff to their sequel and they're acceptable.
Random example - Metroid Prime 2 had a new campaign, new enemies and weapons. Left 4 Dead 2 does the same, and the new enemies are far more important because they drastically alter the balance of the first game. Initally Valve used the same Survival difficulty curve from Left 4 Dead in Left 4 Dead 2, and they found that Survival became incredibly difficult with the new Special Infected.
If Metroid Prime 2 was an acceptable sequel, why isn't Left 4 Dead 2?
Random example - Metroid Prime 2 had a new campaign, new enemies and weapons. Left 4 Dead 2 does the same, and the new enemies are far more important because they drastically alter the balance of the first game. Initally Valve used the same Survival difficulty curve from Left 4 Dead in Left 4 Dead 2, and they found that Survival became incredibly difficult with the new Special Infected.
If Metroid Prime 2 was an acceptable sequel, why isn't Left 4 Dead 2?
The new sniper rifle has a bigger clip. Theres also a new machine gun that shoots in bursts. Thats it. I dont see how what i said was 'Factually inaccurate'bagodix said:
I don't recall saying i didnt like them. Overpowered weapons are always fun in the hands of the user, the point is their unfair to the other team (speaking mainly about versus of course).
Also it still doesnt make sense that you can keep swinging a melee weapon as long as you like but you get a timer on shoving zombies away.
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Is it really so hard to summarize my points for yourself?
If so then here is a list:
- 2 New weapons - Grenade launcher and magnum pistol
- 1 new throwable (boomer bile)
- Some melee weapons (overpowered, unbalanced and, as far as i can tell, no difference between them, except maybe a slight increase in swing speed for machete)
- Adrenaline shot (kind of 'meh' item really - they fuck up the sound so you cant tell where things are coming from, but they give a slight increase to running and action speed as well as a small health boost)
- Gore (nothing against it, and i like the sexy way pipe bomb explosions make body pieces flying)
- Characters (nothing special - 'meh' again)
- 5 New campaigns
If you do the math, the added stuff = 10+melee weapons(don't know how many there are)
Not enough to warrant a sequel.
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nuh aaah!
My point is that communication will need to be fast - a lot faster than typing, as you dont have survivor outlines and cant see whats going on. You will take quite a bit of damage if pounced by a hunter while typing for help.
Also, people could do this gamemode on L4D one by using a console command.
Again, never said i didnt like them. My point is that if they kept the original characters, no one would say "L4D2 looks like fun, but im not going to buy it because of the lack of new cast"
Read the list above.
True, but there needs to be a witch or car for that to happen, and he needs to stay alive long enough to make it happen.
I can see him being useful, but only on rarer occasions than the smoker.
Yep, well said.Lothae said:L4D2 is more of the same, but vastly improved. Definite buy in my eyes.
I find that Left 4 Dead (i.e. the original) was a lot of fun, but had pretty much the bare minimum, i.e. if you took anything at all out of L4D, it would really start to feel like it's missing something. I find that there is a whole new feel in L4D2, it's a lot more adrenaline-pumping heart-pounding actiony, where L4D was more about just getting to the next saferoom alive. On the other hand, the characters themselves seem a lot more real and a lot less like action heroes (like the guys in L4D). I'm buying L4D2, but if you don't think there's enough new content to justify a new game, I can see where you're coming from.
I just kinda wished they kept the darkness of the first game, it just felt so fucking heart attack suprise scary when the hunter pounces your ass out of the rainy corner. Seriosly the daytime kinda ruined it for me. I know theres probably a darkness level (there has to be one).
But yeah its different, but i just loved No Mercy a bit too much i guess.
But yeah its different, but i just loved No Mercy a bit too much i guess.
I dont get why everyone says it could just be dlc. People would be alot more pissed off if they had to pay like $90 for it and it took up a ton of space on their hard drive.
And on this note, how about learning something about DLC? You cant change the code of the original games, you can only add in new code, such as weapons or items.AndyFromMonday said:
I have gotten to play left 4 dead 2 this weekend, and I can say that it is definitely feels very different from the first game
1. Weapon selection, there are at least 2x the number of guns from the last game, and although they fall into the generic shotgun, machine gun, or other category, they all have a really fun and unique feel (AK47 and Magnum FTW!). And we cannot forget the addition of the melee weapons, there are few things more satisfying than getting to decapitate some zombies with a katana, machete, or electric guitar.
2. Campaign layout, in L4D, the stages of the levels were all 5 stages, with about the same distances between checkpoints, and very similar finales. In L4D2, some of the individual stages can last twice as long as usual ones do, some of the campaigns don't even have 5 stages, just 4 much longer ones (Especially the mall and the carnival). Also, in this one, you sometimes get little missions you have to do to complete the level, I really liked how the mall finale was set up and the last campaign in the city.
3. Zombies, the new zombies add a whole new challenge to the game. You will be all clustered together in a nice uniform group... then WHAM, a Spitter will come out of no where and acid you for a ton of damage. Chargers are also mad fun to play in versus mode and jockeys are a major pain to kill due to their size. My only complaint is that witches seem a lot easier to kill in this game than in the first one.
4. AI, the zombies are also a lot smarter this time around. They have strategies and know just how to pick out that one lagging player in the group with a well placed hunter or smoker. However, I am on and off when it comes to the human AI. Sometimes they are god-like players who snipe out a spitter from half a mile away, then there are the times where they are trying to knock the jockey off you with a melee weapon... and aiming at your feet.
All in all, it feels very different from the first game, and don't even get me started on the graphics.
1. Weapon selection, there are at least 2x the number of guns from the last game, and although they fall into the generic shotgun, machine gun, or other category, they all have a really fun and unique feel (AK47 and Magnum FTW!). And we cannot forget the addition of the melee weapons, there are few things more satisfying than getting to decapitate some zombies with a katana, machete, or electric guitar.
2. Campaign layout, in L4D, the stages of the levels were all 5 stages, with about the same distances between checkpoints, and very similar finales. In L4D2, some of the individual stages can last twice as long as usual ones do, some of the campaigns don't even have 5 stages, just 4 much longer ones (Especially the mall and the carnival). Also, in this one, you sometimes get little missions you have to do to complete the level, I really liked how the mall finale was set up and the last campaign in the city.
3. Zombies, the new zombies add a whole new challenge to the game. You will be all clustered together in a nice uniform group... then WHAM, a Spitter will come out of no where and acid you for a ton of damage. Chargers are also mad fun to play in versus mode and jockeys are a major pain to kill due to their size. My only complaint is that witches seem a lot easier to kill in this game than in the first one.
4. AI, the zombies are also a lot smarter this time around. They have strategies and know just how to pick out that one lagging player in the group with a well placed hunter or smoker. However, I am on and off when it comes to the human AI. Sometimes they are god-like players who snipe out a spitter from half a mile away, then there are the times where they are trying to knock the jockey off you with a melee weapon... and aiming at your feet.
All in all, it feels very different from the first game, and don't even get me started on the graphics.
I bought mine 2 days ago and I love it
It DOES feel different, the climaxes and crescendos are awesome and the gameplay is L4D on drugs, which is a good thing! Too bad I NEVER find a serve with less than a gazillion ping... Bots are retarded too, it took Coach an hour to figure that I was dying and had no health kit -_-
It DOES feel different, the climaxes and crescendos are awesome and the gameplay is L4D on drugs, which is a good thing! Too bad I NEVER find a serve with less than a gazillion ping... Bots are retarded too, it took Coach an hour to figure that I was dying and had no health kit -_-
It feels different alright. It feels cheap and rushed. I think if they'd spent more than five minutes developing it, it might be a little better. I'm on Team DLC over L4D2. And I was pissed off about having to pay for it, too. Since the time they spent developing this, could have been used on EP: 3, a more important game in my eyes.Russian_Assassin said:I bought mine 2 days ago and I love it
It DOES feel different, the climaxes and crescendos are awesome and the gameplay is L4D on drugs, which is a good thing! Too bad I NEVER find a serve with less than a gazillion ping... Bots are retarded too, it took Coach an hour to figure that I was dying and had no health kit -_-
