Legend of Korra: What Happened to Korra and Who Is Kuvira?

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Legend of Korra: What Happened to Korra and Who Is Kuvira?

Legend of Korra's Book Four premiere jumps ahead three years without explaining what happened "After All These Years."

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I thought this episode was good. Showing all the key people, letting you pretty much figure out where they are and a good guess as to what has happened over the last 3 years. Also clearly showing a "villain"[footnote](Still actually not sure if a villain or maybe just another view, Earth Kingdom has usually tackled things with brute strength and determination, if anything she's more of it's shrewd embodiment of that compared to the new Earth King Wu)[/footnote] for this series, what her goal is and what she's capable of. I can't wait for the rest of this series. :D
 

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I'm still curious about the season three finale. When she entered the Avatar State she was performing some advanced bending techniques, particularly flying with fire. Didn't she lose her connections to the past avatars?
 

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I'm still curious about the season three finale. When she entered the Avatar State she was performing some advanced bending techniques, particularly flying with fire. Didn't she lose her connections to the past avatars?
Korra did lose her connection to the past avatars, but I don't think that would really put a limit on her techniques. The point of the Avatar State is that Korra is capable of doing all this incredible bending, like when Wan got it. Though to explain how she flew with Fire, I believe Korra likely just knew the technique and fueled it with Raava's light spirit. Jet Propulsion has likely been done by other firebenders, we even see during Sozin's comet how Ozai and Azula(atleast I think) were able to do it charged by sozin's comet, and considering they don't have "past lives" to get their techniques from, it's not too far of a stretch to presume Korra couldn't have just figured it out on her own, she is a Fully Realized Avatar after all.

I think the point of having past lives isn't really to use their techniques, but more to get advice.
 

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I think the reason that Kuvira is not causing world leaders to act is because she's not really doing anything wrong, at least in terms of the law. We already know that she's ruffled several feathers of higher ups based on how Opal reacts (betraying mom is what she says her brother did, and this likely has to do with the fact that he's with Kuvira), and Mako clearly considers Kuvira's supporters--and probably her by extent--some sort of threat. It's likely a case of, "We don't like what she's doing, but we can't act until she does something really wrong."

The reason for this is most likely because she's doing what others can't: Getting stuff done, and that is causing the general populace to rally behind her. Odds are that, by the time she makes a real move and the leaders can finally stand up to her, it's going to be too late because she has so much support. I'm betting Bolin and Mako are going to have to fight each other at one point, because I'm betting this is setting up to be a civil war in the Earth Kingdom.

The rightful heir, who is a bumbling idiot but will likely start to try and be a decent leader, versus Kuvira, a hardliner who thinks that she should be running things since she knows what's best.
 

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I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
 

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AgentQV said:
DugMachine said:
I'm still curious about the season three finale. When she entered the Avatar State she was performing some advanced bending techniques, particularly flying with fire. Didn't she lose her connections to the past avatars?
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I think the point of having past lives isn't really to use their techniques, but more to get advice.
I agree that is the main point, but I would argue the technique and power is still important. I think this is heavily hinted at when you hear the combination of the voices of many different Avatars (and Raava in the case of Book 2) while an Avatar is in the Avatar State. Roku himself tells Aang that, ""The Avatar State is a defense mechanism, designed to empower you with the skills and knowledge of all the past Avatars. The glow is the combination of all your past lives, focusing their energy through your body". He probably didn't know about Raava or that factor wasn't important for the sake of continuity (the story of the first Avatar obviously wasn't fully developed at that point).

Nonetheless, Korra seemed weaker than Aang in their respective Avatar State fights of their respective 3rd Book. That might be a side effect of the show focusing more on street fighting and boxing influences rather than martial arts for bending, but I'd argue Book 3's final fight was more than just that. She had Raava, but not all those Avatars to fuel her power, which to be fair is still a LOT of power. The only reasons Zaheer had an advantage were the OPness of his flight ability and Korra's poison handicap.
 

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DoctorM said:
I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
We should honestly count ourselves lucky. If it weren't for the fact that 80% of production was done before Season 3 aired, Nick probably would have cancelled season 4 outright. :/
 

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DoctorM said:
I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
it's apparently online only because the ratings were too low for season/book 3 of the Legend of Korra and if you look the ratings are really really low for the last season.. the highest rating fro an episode in book 3 was 1.50 million viewers and the number of viewers for the season 4 premiere was only 1.5 million.. compare that to the season 1 premiere which had 4.55 million viewers while season 2's highest rated episode had 2.60 million.. as good as a show as Korra is and a show I personally think is one of the best shows on TV right now, I think too many people were expecting a rehash of Avatar the Last Airbender...
 

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crazygameguy4ever said:
DoctorM said:
I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
it's apparently online only because the ratings were too low for season/book 3 of the Legend of Korra and if you look the ratings are really really low for the last season.. the highest rating fro an episode in book 3 was 1.50 million viewers and the number of viewers for the season 4 premiere was only 1.5 million.. compare that to the season 1 premiere which had 4.55 million viewers while season 2's highest rated episode had 2.60 million.. as good as a show as Korra is and a show I personally think is one of the best shows on TV right now, I think too many people were expecting a rehash of Avatar the Last Airbender...
Also the large and highly extensive advertising campaign to bring up interest in the show in order to branch out and not rely on Spongebob so much was incredibly helpful to the popularity /sarcasm.
 

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crazygameguy4ever said:
DoctorM said:
I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
it's apparently online only because the ratings were too low for season/book 3 of the Legend of Korra and if you look the ratings are really really low for the last season.. the highest rating fro an episode in book 3 was 1.50 million viewers and the number of viewers for the season 4 premiere was only 1.5 million.. compare that to the season 1 premiere which had 4.55 million viewers while season 2's highest rated episode had 2.60 million.. as good as a show as Korra is and a show I personally think is one of the best shows on TV right now, I think too many people were expecting a rehash of Avatar the Last Airbender...
Normally I would not say anything but I have seen this opinnion said alot and it bugs me a little. While I agree that some people did go into the show expecting it to be TLA 2.0 many of us did go in expecting something new and then find ourselves disliking it for other reasons.

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It was ok. As much as I have disliked LoK I did find the last few episodes of S3 so I will give S4 a few episodes to get good. My problem is I still don't like the characters much so it is hard to care what happens to them but I love the avatar world so I am going to try a little longer before giving up for good.
 

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I think the reason that Kuvira is not causing world leaders to act is because she's not really doing anything wrong, at least in terms of the law. We already know that she's ruffled several feathers of higher ups based on how Opal reacts (betraying mom is what she says her brother did, and this likely has to do with the fact that he's with Kuvira), and Mako clearly considers Kuvira's supporters--and probably her by extent--some sort of threat. It's likely a case of, "We don't like what she's doing, but we can't act until she does something really wrong."

The reason for this is most likely because she's doing what others can't: Getting stuff done, and that is causing the general populace to rally behind her. Odds are that, by the time she makes a real move and the leaders can finally stand up to her, it's going to be too late because she has so much support. I'm betting Bolin and Mako are going to have to fight each other at one point, because I'm betting this is setting up to be a civil war in the Earth Kingdom.

The rightful heir, who is a bumbling idiot but will likely start to try and be a decent leader, versus Kuvira, a hardliner who thinks that she should be running things since she knows what's best.
Earth Kingdom Civil War?

This could be an awesome fucking season if that's the case.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
crazygameguy4ever said:
DoctorM said:
I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
it's apparently online only because the ratings were too low for season/book 3 of the Legend of Korra and if you look the ratings are really really low for the last season.. the highest rating fro an episode in book 3 was 1.50 million viewers and the number of viewers for the season 4 premiere was only 1.5 million.. compare that to the season 1 premiere which had 4.55 million viewers while season 2's highest rated episode had 2.60 million.. as good as a show as Korra is and a show I personally think is one of the best shows on TV right now, I think too many people were expecting a rehash of Avatar the Last Airbender...
Normally I would not say anything but I have seen this opinnion said alot and it bugs me a little. While I agree that some people did go into the show expecting it to be TLA 2.0 many of us did go in expecting something new and then find ourselves disliking it for other reasons.

OT:
It was ok. As much as I have disliked LoK I did find the last few episodes of S3 so I will give S4 a few episodes to get good. My problem is I still don't like the characters much so it is hard to care what happens to them but I love the avatar world so I am going to try a little longer before giving up for good.
As much as I liked Avatar Last Airbender.. up until the first episode of the final season aired on friday, I could honestly say that I actually like Legend of Korra better then Last Airbender in a lot of ways.. I was excited when i originally heard Avatar was getting a sequel series but didn't know what to expect.. from what I've seen so far the Korra has been a great series that's better then the series it's the sequel to.. because of this, I hope the rest of the final season is better then the first episode... especially the boring villain that people knew was the villain from the moment she appeared on screen.
 

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Thats a fair opinion. There are things about the show I like it is just that I don't like any of the characters and when you don't care what happens to any of the characters it is hard to get invested in the show.

I should not have quoted you anyway. Looking at your post again I see I was a bit defensive. I have lost count of the number of times I have been told that I am wrong for disliking the show because I simply wanted TLA 2.0 when I really didn't. Anyway that was my bad. Sorry.
 

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I don't think why everyone is tolerating Kuvira is a particularly hard question to answer. They have no other choice. The Earth Kingdom still seems to be hanging by a thread beneath the surface, the Avatar is out of commission, Republic City and the Air Nomads are helping, but with the former as indecisive as ever and with the latter still lacking the numbers to be as effective as they need to be.

The Fire Nation? For historical reasons they're probably more than a little reluctant to intervene in the Earth Kingdom, and I doubt the Water Tribes would be ideally suited to peacekeeping in a largely desert continent even if they wanted to.

The Metal Clan are part of the Earth Kingdom, so they have more of a mandate to restore order than anyone else, and Kuvira's army appears to be one of, if not the only force numerous and organised enough to do the job. So, while it's obvious that many of the others don't like her methods, it's far more convenient than they might care to admit to let her handle the problem... so long as her motives continue to align with theirs, which I'm guessing won't be forever.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
crazygameguy4ever said:
Thats a fair opinion. There are things about the show I like it is just that I don't like any of the characters and when you don't care what happens to any of the characters it is hard to get invested in the show.

I should not have quoted you anyway. Looking at your post again I see I was a bit defensive. I have lost count of the number of times I have been told that I am wrong for disliking the show because I simply wanted TLA 2.0 when I really didn't. Anyway that was my bad. Sorry.
I suppose it's probably just an assumption fans make because they see a lot of people criticizing Korra by constantly comparing it to A:TLA. Not so much here, I think, but on less heavily moderated sites such as Youtube.

I'm a fan myself, but I do agree that a lot of the characters are kinda flat. Of the main cast Korra's really the only one I find at all interesting, but it feels like she doesn't get developed enough. I'm hoping Season 4 will improve this. I do like a lot of the supporting cast, though. Tenzin and siblings, especially, were one of the highlights of Season 2 for me.
 

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You don't need to compare Korra with Aang to not like her. As a character, she's designed to be abrasive and go against what has been previously established and expected of an Avatar like Aang. Which is a shame because I really liked her in the first season and there seemed like there were inklings of a deeper, more interesting insecure character...up until the last 5 minutes of the last episode of season one where Aang stops on by and shows her the power was inside her all along.

I kinda thought we were going to explore Korra's character more in-depth once it was greenlit for more seasons, but thusfar, the next time we even begin to explore Korra as a character and not Korra as the Avatar is the last few moments of season 3 where she hallucinates seeing all of her past villains and silently shedding a tear in the wheelchair at the very end.

Seems like someone on the writing team has been reading shonen manga and decided to employ the X year time skip to create a false sense of intrigue in reconnecting with characters.

I seriously couldn't care less about whether or not Wu ascends the throne to the Earth Kingdom. The first episode gives off the impression that he's insufferable and out of touch with the affairs of his own nation. He didn't earn the title, he's not doing anything to help aid his nation. Why should I care if Kuvira is going to eventually make a power play? We've seen time and time again that the rulers of the Earth Kingdom are either incredibly inept and sheltered or fascist dictators.
 

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Sad to see that the producer apparently still have no idea what to do with Korra or the new series as a whole.
I was disappointed with all of korras villains so far and from that article it seems like that is not going to change.
To me it appears the tried to have the series "grow up" together with its audience, which really puts it in its dumb teen years right now.
No clue what it wants it only knows it wants to do things different than ATLA...
Well here´s a tip, don´t fix what isn´t broken...
and for gods sake DON`T BREAK THE AVATAR LINE!!! We lost Aang and Wan because of that... Korra, you gone fucked up -.-
 

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circularlogic88 said:
You don't need to compare Korra with Aang to not like her. As a character, she's designed to be abrasive and go against what has been previously established and expected of an Avatar like Aang. Which is a shame because I really liked her in the first season and there seemed like there were inklings of a deeper, more interesting insecure character...up until the last 5 minutes of the last episode of season one where Aang stops on by and shows her the power was inside her all along.
Much as I still enjoy the show, it could probably have been a lot better if they'd not just deus ex-machina'd their way out of that one. In fact I really kind of wish they'd just taken the equalist uprising and stretched it out across multiple seasons. I understand that the way it was produced didn't really make that possible, of course, but it still seems like wasted potential. Seeing the avatar reduced to an airbender and forced into hiding while the revolution expands outwards sounds more interesting to me than the villain-of-the-month approach, even if I did like Zaheer.
 

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I'm enjoying it. Politics done right is always fun to watch. Funny enough, it actually reminds me a bit of Season 1. Wu is, by all rights, the heir or King or whatever you call it, but he's also unfit to rule. Kuvira, on the other hand, has actively been working to unite a broken nation, even if she's rather abrasive about it. She's going to highlight Wu's inability to lead, and as usual its going to work to her advantage, just like it did when the Equalists called out the Republic City council.

Also, S4 is poised to strain a lot of relationships. Mako and Bolin will obviously clash at some point, as Mako is Wu's bodyguard and Bolin is Kuvira's... lieutenant? Bolin's unlikely to abandon Kuvira unless she outs herself as evil. He's already stood against Opal and they're together, so I doubt he'd drop her for Mako either. And let's not forget, the Earth Kingdom has a history of being incredibly shady, and Wu is an entitled rich kid. From there, its easy to slip into doing something deplorable. The Air Nation (did anyone else notice Opal said Nation, not Nomads?) is spread thin despite their peacekeeper role, and they're going to have to fail big time in order to get the titular hero to assume her destined role. I'm thinking Tenzin is going to die, or something along those lines. Asami will hopefully have to pick sides, because she's still a badass as far as I'm concerned, I always like seeing her in action and she's the only nonbender of any significance, other than Varrick. Korra is probably going to be insufferable once they find her, which I both am and am not looking forward to.

Eh, realpolitik is fun. There's a reason why people say not to talk politics with your friends. Can't wait to see how the Avatar crew handles it.
 

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I was with the first episode until the last five minutes. Come on guys, did you not find anything for Korra to do other than brooding?

Anyways... I think Kuvira might turn out to be good or horrible. Nothing definite on her yet, but so far I like her. She's actually making a difference for people and so what if she eventually wants to take over the kingdom? It's clear the current Earth kingdom is on a state of anarchy and the people are suffering. She's shown that she is capable of providing for the citizens, both the ones who turn to barbarism and who became victims of it after the fall of the former queen. On top of it all, the "rightful ruler" is an inexperienced, political puppet who is related to the tyrannical former queen.
The Air nomads went from enlightened monks to Batman... yeah. Right. Moving on to the characters. Opal is still bland and apparently a passive aggresive ***** on top of it now. Great. Kai (I always have to think for a few seconds before I remember his name) is still a pointless character. Is he just there to be Jinora's love interest? Either have him be interesting or be gone. All he does is generic stuff any other airbender character could have done. We had enough airbenders in the show already, just have them do it; might flesh out their characters.
And the last one is... Mako. Fuck this guy, can we please not focus on him ever again? He just keeps bitching about wanting to be a detective. What the fuck he is starting to remind me of the C-Sec bitching of Garrus Vakarian. Why should I care? I didn't even catch why he keeps trying to go back to detective work for shitty pay and sacrificing his friends and family for it. Was that ever explained?

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I'm still curious about the season three finale. When she entered the Avatar State she was performing some advanced bending techniques, particularly flying with fire. Didn't she lose her connections to the past avatars?
Yes she did, which is why she wasn't using the air-sphere like previous Avatars did I order to fly. Jet-propulsion by fire seems like a far less advanced technique, relying on raw power to achieve enough propulsion for flight rather than perfectly controlled air-pressure.
 

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So far Balance is shaping to be one of the more intriguing Books of the Korra Cycle. Rather than bombastic, supernatural threats or maniacal fanatics the crux of what we have seen so far seems to be cast in a far more nuanced shade of grey. Well unless Kuvira turns out to be a power-mad tyrant anyway. It even has a Romance of the Three Kingdoms vibe with the legitimate heir to the throne being at best mediocre with his power propped up by talented subordinates (Liu Bei/Prince Wu) versus a genius who has a less than sterling character but would otherwise do a spectacular job of running the Kingdom (Cao Cao/Kuvira). The Earth Kingdom after all has had very ineffectual monarchs recently and seriously, does anyone doubt that Prince Wu would turn out very well once he's on the throne? Kuvira may be what the Earth Kingdom needs but certainly foreign powers would not want a strong, determined Queen on the throne of one of the largest kingdoms still standing. I guess that does play into the theme of Balance; of right versus wrong against benign and effective.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
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Thats a fair opinion. There are things about the show I like it is just that I don't like any of the characters and when you don't care what happens to any of the characters it is hard to get invested in the show.

I should not have quoted you anyway. Looking at your post again I see I was a bit defensive. I have lost count of the number of times I have been told that I am wrong for disliking the show because I simply wanted TLA 2.0 when I really didn't. Anyway that was my bad. Sorry.
Exactly. It was very difficult for me to stay invested when...well, mostly Korra and Mako, acted ridiculous (not just the romantic stuff, they were both stupid about other things as well). I never bought the "They're teenagers" or "Korra was secluded for so long it affected her development" excuses either. Korra functioned well enough in the first 2 episodes of Book 1 for me to have doubts about the latter. Mako still hasn't really grown on me, but Book 3 Korra really grew on me. I would have much rather preferred Korra to start out the way she did in Book 3, but c'est la vie.

I don't blame you for being defensive. If you didn't at least sort of like Korra (the character) as a concept regardless of the execution in Book 1/2, you weren't going to like her in Book 3. At her core she is still Korra despite the growth. It's difficult to create an unlikable likable character and they most definitely dropped the ball on that. Her growth doesn't feel organic enough to me. I'm fine with how she is now: I just wish her development had been eased in better and she had been less stupid than she was in Book 1/2. It really felt unbelievable sometimes and forget all the overbearing cliches. I mean, the Avatar universe has always leaned towards cliches, but it gets ridiculous in The Legend of Korra sometimes.

While I am more pro-Korra now I understand what it's like to get those sort of attacks thrown at you and, actually, to unintentionally do the attacking. My Korra discussion thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.859272-People-w-previous-rational-dislike-for-The-Legend-of-Korra-have-now-joined-the-irrational-side#21324664] ended in a disaster. All I was trying to do was point out how many critics were getting irrational and drowning out the legit criticisms, but a lot of critics took it the wrong way and saw it as a personal attack. Taught me a lot about how I approach these things in the future believe it or not.

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The Air nomads went from enlightened monks to Batman... yeah. Right. Moving on to the characters. Opal is still bland and apparently a passive aggresive ***** on top of it now. Great. Kai (I always have to think for a few seconds before I remember his name) is still a pointless character. Is he just there to be Jinora's love interest? Either have him be interesting or be gone. All he does is generic stuff any other airbender character could have done. We had enough airbenders in the show already, just have them do it; might flesh out their characters.
And the last one is... Mako. Fuck this guy, can we please not focus on him ever again? He just keeps bitching about wanting to be a detective. What the fuck he is starting to remind me of the C-Sec bitching of Garrus Vakarian. Why should I care? I didn't even catch why he keeps trying to go back to detective work for shitty pay and sacrificing his friends and family for it. Was that ever explained?

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Tenzin reorganized the Air Nation upon realizing the world needed an Avatar like presence even when the Avatar is out of commission. Frankly, I prefer it. Aside from Monk Gyatso, the children, Avatar Yangchen, and that one female monk who helped Aang meet Appa, the old Air Nation came off to me as so isolated that they were very near selfishness. They only revealed Aang's status as Avatar because they felt bad times coming and they knew they were supposed to do it; I got no sense of actual compassion when they did this. This is a difference of opinion of course.

The bland comment is a fair opinion, but how is Opal passive aggressive? She told Bolin why she has problems with him doing what he does, more or less. You talk about Kai being a pointless character, but he was introduced as being naturally gifted at airbending and someone with a criminal past. That's they dynamic here. I really disagree that any other airbender could do what he did considering how they're still very new to airbending AND that they're doing it while flying via wingsuits, something airbenders have never done before or been trained to specifically do until now. Heck, most of them are young adults minimum and we all know adults have a harder time learning such things than children born learning this stuff from the start.

In the entire series, I count Mako bitching about being a detective 2, maybe 3 times and they're all fairly short outbursts. Technically, his most recent "bitching" was more like a happy fantasy. I wouldn't call that a lot of bitching. How do you know he gets shitty pay anyway? This is never stated or implied. He and Bolin used to live in the attic of the pro-bending arena. Then, they had move into an apartment. I'd say he gets paid decently if they could afford to move into an apartment. Also, he never has to sacrifice his friends and family to be a detective. He tried to do that in the beginning of Book 3, but it's never a decision forced upon him. He even says he felt like he was drifting apart and Korra and Asami (when they had their "girl talk") and Bolin more or less say that he kind of did that to himself.

I don't say any of this to come off as a fan who believes there's nothing to dislike about this show. There are things to dislike. I just don't get your complaints here. Maybe you can clear them up for me.
 

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Jeez, so much cynicism both in the article and in this topic. It's the first episode, give it time. It established a time frame, it established the current whereabouts of the main cast, and it began to lay the groundwork for a season-wide story arch. It did it's job just fine.

I think it's a bit early to be arguing whether Kuvira is too cliche of a villain for example considering we don't even know if she is the villain yet, nevermind fully understanding her goals and motivations even if she is the main villain.
 

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You don't need to compare Korra with Aang to not like her. As a character, she's designed to be abrasive and go against what has been previously established and expected of an Avatar like Aang. Which is a shame because I really liked her in the first season and there seemed like there were inklings of a deeper, more interesting insecure character...up until the last 5 minutes of the last episode of season one where Aang stops on by and shows her the power was inside her all along.
Much as I still enjoy the show, it could probably have been a lot better if they'd not just deus ex-machina'd their way out of that one. In fact I really kind of wish they'd just taken the equalist uprising and stretched it out across multiple seasons. I understand that the way it was produced didn't really make that possible, of course, but it still seems like wasted potential. Seeing the avatar reduced to an airbender and forced into hiding while the revolution expands outwards sounds more interesting to me than the villain-of-the-month approach, even if I did like Zaheer.
I agree. I can't imagine that the Equalists just disappeared after that. It was such a waste of a formidable enemy. To just get rid of chi-blockers and the Equalist party's cause was really confusing for me when we picked up again in season two. Season two was such a turn-off for me. The reason I kept watching that season was to see the Tenzin family road trip. Korra herself and Mako's side plot were both just frustrating to watch.
 

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I was under the impression that the new season was going to mark Korra's return to TV.

I can't believe they're going to burn off an entire SEASON online only. Weird.
We should honestly count ourselves lucky. If it weren't for the fact that 80% of production was done before Season 3 aired, Nick probably would have cancelled season 4 outright. :/
That makes sense. I couldn't figure out why they would bother with another season after burying the previous one.

Mind you, last season had low ratings because it was guerrilla programming. You never knew where or when an episode would hit half the time.
 

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Jeez, so much cynicism both in the article and in this topic. It's the first episode, give it time. It established a time frame, it established the current whereabouts of the main cast, and it began to lay the groundwork for a season-wide story arch. It did it's job just fine.

I think it's a bit early to be arguing whether Kuvira is too cliche of a villain for example considering we don't even know if she is the villain yet, nevermind fully understanding her goals and motivations even if she is the main villain.

I feel the same way about Kuvira. Someone on the article page in the Facebook comments said she may be more motivated not by ambition but how she's seen how much the Avatar and others have sacrificed to try and fix the world, only for corrupt and inept leaders to ruin it time and time again, and she's doing whatever it takes to try and prevent them from messing things up again.


I don't think she's going to be an overt villain so much as a foil for a severely depressed Korra or a source of friction among the whole group. Someone else could easily be the one(s) applying the pressure. As I noted in my response to the guy earlier the bandits they fought last season were very iconic with a strong road warrior thing going on. A three-way grudge match between Kuvira and Bolin, Wu and Mako, and a group of apparently organized, very numerous bandits (They must have quite a system to be able to get a plane in the air fast enough to intercept the ONE flying bison in the area. Not to mention that they have a plane at all). And of course poor Korra's going to have to pull through her personal issues only to be dropped in the middle of the whole mess.



As for the series wide criticisms I've read the problem I've had with the series is how... fast everything has been going. It's really a problem of how the series was put together. Nick only gave them one series at a time, forcing the freak of the week style format we've gotten rather than a single over arching villain. It was also made as mini series so instead of getting 20 episodes a season there's only been 12 or 13. This means a lot of the extra episodes and plot lines we got in The Last Airbender that while not giving much to the overall plot gave us a lot of the time we needed to find reasons to care for the characters. They also never got a chance to foreshadow anything, making EVERY ending a bit of a deus ex machina. Personally I feel like the first and second seasons would have been better being 3 seasons kind of blended together, with hints to the spirits being unruly put within the troubles with Amon. Perhaps have her Uncle try and warn her that with the imbalance left ignored by Aang building Amon's plans threaten to cause the spirits to go nuts. When he said that a war between the water tribes would do it in Season 2 it felt rushed to me. Like, why would they suddenly freak out after a hundred years of war and the massive battles in Republic City. (In retrospect it seems a lot more likely he was causing that as a ruse, but it'd still be nice to have some foreshadowing) For the past couple of days I've had it stuck in my head how cool it would have been to get an episode or 2 with Korra and company finding her Uncles journal or something and it explaining how he came across Vaatu and how Vaatu convinced him up was down. Seriously he went so far as to call himself the DARK avatar. What did the spirit in the tree say. Also it would have been nice for some foreshadowing on the Tree of Time. Once again throw that in the journal, like perhaps he went to it searching for knowledge, only for Vaatu to convince him he's the spirit of the tree or something. And with how he was apparently involved with the season 3 villains they could have at least have been hinted to, they were obviously very important at a point earlier, a hint would have been nice.

I don't know, I just really prefer Chekov Guns to deus ex machinas, and I prefer a show getting 20 episodes a season rather than 12 when it's something like Avatar that has such good characters and an awesome world. The other complaint people has is that they feel the characters fall flat, but really there hasn't been much stuff not necessary to the plot to give them a chance to show themselves off. It's all just felt so rushed to me, not due to lack of time or effort. The creators have done an awesome job fitting as much stuff as they could to give thoughtful stories, but Nickelodeon simply didn't give them enough space. In my mind Legend of Korra is another great series held back by the network execs, sorta like Young Justice.
 

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Wait, Book 4 has already started? Damn it Nick.... We have to wait 2 years between Books 2 & 3 of TLA and then with Korra you push books 3 & 4 up against each other with only a 6 week break? Ugh. The day Korra finishes airing is the day I cease to consider your network for any programing WHATSOEVER.
 

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Yeah, that's another problem. I'm kind of afraid this seasons going to end up rushed because they had to get so much of it finished before season 3 was over to force Nick to let them have it.




Really wish they'd gone the crowd-funding route and been able to build whatever they wanted rather than being forced to go along with Nickelodeon's wishes. It is impressive that they managed to turn a mini-series that was just supposed to show how the world changed after Aang's time into a strong show 4 seasons long.
 

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Wait, Book 4 has already started? Damn it Nick.... We have to wait 2 years between Books 2 & 3 of TLA and then with Korra you push books 3 & 4 up against each other with only a 6 week break? Ugh. The day Korra finishes airing is the day I cease to consider your network for any programing WHATSOEVER.
I can see some exec at Nickelodeon reading this and thinking...



"... Good, good."
 

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I'm surprised Nick didn't throw out 2 or 3 episodes at once. Maybe they wised up (Is that possible for a network exec?) and realized people will watch the same episodes over and over while waiting for the next one to come out, but they won't get more ad revenue if people stop doing sooner because the damned season is already over.

The thing that bothers me about Kuvira is how they introduced her last season. That lingering shot in the book 3 finale still makes me feel like she has more connections the Red Lotus. It could be a red herring, but why would they do that in the last season, instead of just making her appear at the beginning of book 4? Either way, it's ambiguous what her true motives are. I just think Zaheer's line about having many sleeper agents out in the world, the forced shot of Kuvira in book 3 and her eagerness to be right in the middle of the fight in the finale might be hinting at something bigger than just her current motives being a play for power or a well-intentioned extremist's idea of how to solve a major political dilemma. Maybe she's an agent, a former one or she's trying to draw Korra out with her strict actions for whatever reasons.

On another note, Korra started out as the one who loved being the Avatar even at a young age, contrary to Aang, who ran away from it as soon as he heard. Over time, he learned to accept his destiny with the only thing really holding him back was his desire not to kill anyone. Korra on the other hand, got a healthy dose of the outside world and its conflicts and has had doubts over and over about if she should continue being the Avatar. Whatever happens this season, maybe she will find balance in herself and maybe even find a way to pass on the Avatar spirit without reincarnation. (She is the first in a new cycle. Perhaps it will better fit a new world with harmony with the spirits and joined nations.)
 

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It has potential for sure, but Kuvira is a bloody waste at the moment. Had she actually been introduced last season and been a relevant secondary character, we could have known her a bit, see her be so harsh and cruel would have been an impression, not a "ok, I guess" situation.
 

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Kuvira is not the villain yet. She has a firm hand, yes, but she has done nothing but restore order and bring supplies. If she had treated the governor like she has treated the bandits (by attacking and imprisoning them in metal) she would be a villain. She is treading a thin line that could easily lead to a police state, but she's not there yet. I'm actually more concerned that Varrick is involved, because he is easily the type to betray her and try seize control of the army she laid in place.

Other the other hand, Hitler was Time magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1938.
 

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Tenzin reorganized the Air Nation upon realizing the world needed an Avatar like presence even when the Avatar is out of commission. Frankly, I prefer it. Aside from Monk Gyatso, the children, Avatar Yangchen, and that one female monk who helped Aang meet Appa, the old Air Nation came off to me as so isolated that they were very near selfishness. They only revealed Aang's status as Avatar because they felt bad times coming and they knew they were supposed to do it; I got no sense of actual compassion when they did this. This is a difference of opinion of course.

The bland comment is a fair opinion, but how is Opal passive aggressive? She told Bolin why she has problems with him doing what he does, more or less. You talk about Kai being a pointless character, but he was introduced as being naturally gifted at airbending and someone with a criminal past. That's they dynamic here. I really disagree that any other airbender could do what he did considering how they're still very new to airbending AND that they're doing it while flying via wingsuits, something airbenders have never done before or been trained to specifically do until now. Heck, most of them are young adults minimum and we all know adults have a harder time learning such things than children born learning this stuff from the start.

In the entire series, I count Mako bitching about being a detective 2, maybe 3 times and they're all fairly short outbursts. Technically, his most recent "bitching" was more like a happy fantasy. I wouldn't call that a lot of bitching. How do you know he gets shitty pay anyway? This is never stated or implied. He and Bolin used to live in the attic of the pro-bending arena. Then, they had move into an apartment. I'd say he gets paid decently if they could afford to move into an apartment. Also, he never has to sacrifice his friends and family to be a detective. He tried to do that in the beginning of Book 3, but it's never a decision forced upon him. He even says he felt like he was drifting apart and Korra and Asami (when they had their "girl talk") and Bolin more or less say that he kind of did that to himself.

I don't say any of this to come off as a fan who believes there's nothing to dislike about this show. There are things to dislike. I just don't get your complaints here. Maybe you can clear them up for me.
I doubt Tenzin has the right to interfer with other nation's politics. If the new Air Nation wants to be taken seriously, their first act shouldn't be meddling with the frail, anarchistic Earth Kingdom (they still haven't established a ruler, their actions could easily be viewed as an attempt to gain political power). Their vigilante acts is not so different from Kuvira's actions, albeit Kuvira is more organised to actually get shit done. She wouldn't send 2 young airbenders in training to fight a horde of bandits. I doubt the other nations would just buy into them being good natured.
I dunno maybe it will turn out that the Air Nation act as part of some kind of officially assigned UN task force or something, but right now it just looks like Tenzin making kids play Batman.

Opal didn't actually talk with her boyfriend regarding her problems with Kuvira (at least not more than a few sentences) and it's not like they acted like they had that talk in the past either. She bitches at Bolin for "abandoning" the people, who retorts with the good point that they can't do anything because the governor didn't want them there. She LITERALLY pushes him away and turns around, crosses her arms and sulks. What is she, 6? Got no fucking response to that? Oh noes, Kuvira doesn't just randomly hand out help, leave and let everything to go to shit again but instead wants to unite her broken nation, what a monster. After Kuvira makes the contract with the governor and Bolin looks happy, she turns her back on him. How is that not passive aggressive and childish? At this point Kuvira has done nothing wrong (despite the show trying pretty hard to paint the contract as evil) and her method seems more reasonable than the Air Nation's literally failing attempt to help them. Opal just looks like an idiot for being mad at Bolin over this.

Kai didn't need to be in that scene. I understand that Opal has the useful side function of establishing that Bolin is no longer attracted to Korra (no more love triangles plz). Kai, however, could easily be replaced by Jinora or another of Tenzin's kids or maybe Bumi. Why do they all need to hang around their family? Kai can't be much older than the kids and he's doing his share. This is what I mean, Kai offers nothing that we didn't already have in abundance thanks to Tenzin having a shitton of kids, except for being Jinora's love interest.

Mako was bitching multiple times about his detective job. The problem is that this is ALL I remember him doing. Did he do anything else? Yea, some stuff was tied to the plot about him being a detective, but that seemed more like an attempt to give him something to do. Bolin mentions Mako is sleeping under his desk (when Mako was once again bitching how important working for the police is to him) so I thought it was kinda implied that the job was shitty. Did we ever learn why his police work is relevant to him? He was a criminal first and then he was kind of a professional athelte and now suddenly being in the police is the most important thing ever. I don't get him at all and I don't even care anymore.
 

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Jeez, so much cynicism both in the article and in this topic. It's the first episode, give it time. It established a time frame, it established the current whereabouts of the main cast, and it began to lay the groundwork for a season-wide story arch. It did it's job just fine.

I think it's a bit early to be arguing whether Kuvira is too cliche of a villain for example considering we don't even know if she is the villain yet, nevermind fully understanding her goals and motivations even if she is the main villain.
Absolutely. I should have stressed that this episode and its representations of the characters was perfectly fine, but for my tastes it was nothing more than fine. Kuvira could go either way and I guess I would have liked for a stronger showing for her first reveal as antagonist. By the way, I'm guessing "antagonist" will be a much better title for her than "villain", but we'll see.

I'm sure the rest of the season will be something less divisive. I expect his was just the exposition before stuff gets rolling and the excitement of seeing the characters after what might have been a year between seasons would have been more fulfilling. Since it was only six weeks, it had a little less of an impact.
 

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The part that disappointed me the most was perhaps that it was just a single episode. I was expecting a 2-parter. It kinda felt like it was going to be a 2-parter.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Kuvira is the villain, not exactly anyway.

From how things are going in the Earth Kingdom (extreme discontent, poverty, corrupt monarchies), how the rest of the world is reacting (it looks like no nation knows what to do with the EK), and the way Kuvira is presenting herself (as the Great Uniter or whatever), I'm getting huge FASCISM vibes.

I don't know if they'd actually go with a WWII analogy in LoK, but I think the true villain this season will be not just one person but a whole movement. Considering how the Earth Kingdom has always been a mess (at least since the times of Kyoshi), Korra or one of the world's leaders would have to do something about the EK to really improve it.

Also, what better way to end the franchise than having Korra, the latest Avatar, stopping another world war in the avatar-verse?
 

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Just so everyone knows, the creators have said in an interview that they are dedicating an entire episode to just Korra struggling after Book 3. It is going to be similar to the ATLA episode Zuko Alone. This episode is entirely setup.
 

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Just so everyone knows, the creators have said in an interview that they are dedicating an entire episode to just Korra struggling after Book 3. It is going to be similar to the ATLA episode Zuko Alone. This episode is entirely setup.

That could be good. That was certainly one of the better ATLA episodes.
 

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Just so everyone knows, the creators have said in an interview that they are dedicating an entire episode to just Korra struggling after Book 3. It is going to be similar to the ATLA episode Zuko Alone. This episode is entirely setup.
... wish I could be excited for this. An episode like this is a fine line between great and cringe, especially because Korra already has the tendency to complain too much (I'm not a hater, I actually like her character, but even I think she should just suck it up sometimes).
 

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If the new Air Nation wants to be taken seriously, their first act shouldn't be meddling with the frail, anarchistic Earth Kingdom (they still haven't established a ruler, their actions could easily be viewed as an attempt to gain political power). Their vigilante acts is not so different from Kuvira's actions, albeit Kuvira is more organised to actually get shit done. She wouldn't send 2 young airbenders in training to fight a horde of bandits. I doubt the other nations would just buy into them being good natured.
I dunno maybe it will turn out that the Air Nation act as part of some kind of officially assigned UN task force or something, but right now it just looks like Tenzin making kids play Batman.
What? First off, while they were occasionally referred to as the Air Nation in the old show and here as well, they're not really a nation. They're monks/nomads/whatever. Tenzin evolved their role from that, of course. They clearly have been given a license to do what they're doing. They have been given acknowledgement regardless whether or not it's official. I don't see how they can be viewed as trying to gain political power considering not only how new they are, but also how FEW of them are. There's like what? Dozens of them, maybe? Yeah, that's a great force to seize political control with.

Yes, they're similar to Kuvira, but Kuvira is clearly aggressive about how she goes about things and if you're going to compare them to Kuvira then you can't call them vigilantes. She has sanction to do what she is doing as well.

To call them Batman is ingenuous; even with all the acknowledgement he gets he's got no license to do what he does. Tenzin was REQUESTED for help. It's not like there was an Avatar version of the bat signal that they turned on. The only reason he sent airbenders in training is because the Air Nation is spread so thin or at least that was my interpretation.

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Opal didn't actually talk with her boyfriend regarding her problems with Kuvira (at least not more than a few sentences) and it's not like they acted like they had that talk in the past either. She bitches at Bolin for "abandoning" the people, who retorts with the good point that they can't do anything because the governor didn't want them there. She LITERALLY pushes him away and turns around, crosses her arms and sulks. What is she, 6? Got no fucking response to that? Oh noes, Kuvira doesn't just randomly hand out help, leave and let everything to go to shit again but instead wants to unite her broken nation, what a monster. After Kuvira makes the contract with the governor and Bolin looks happy, she turns her back on him. How is that not passive aggressive and childish? At this point Kuvira has done nothing wrong (despite the show trying pretty hard to paint the contract as evil) and her method seems more reasonable than the Air Nation's literally failing attempt to help them. Opal just looks like an idiot for being mad at Bolin over this.
Unlike the last point, this is just a matter of difference of opinion. I actually know people classified as inherently passive aggressive. I don't consider Opal passive aggressive in this regard because of my past dealings with passive aggressive people. They hadn't talked in the past because they're separated a lot, I'm guessing. Bolin made a good retort. The problem here is that Bolin knows that Opal just wants him to leave Kuvira. He's not THAT thick. That's why she turns around: She doesn't approve of what he's doing anymore. It's also been made clear that Kuvira's method of uniting while noble is not looked fondly upon. She has been called a conqueror, a person of destruction, and a few other nasty things, all by people who experience the side effects of what she does firsthand or who have witnessed the actual problems she addresses more consistently than she does (She comes in, does what she does, leaves, doesn't stay to get a bigger picture, or at least that is how it comes off to me). As for that scene of Bolin looking happy, she looks at him sadly then walks away. Again, I don't call that passive aggressive. She has made her beefs clear enough. The only reason she isn't more specific is because of how frustrated she is over the whole thing. For me to call her passive aggressive, she would have to be doing NOTHING but the things you are highlighting. At least, she somewhat describes her beefs. That's not true passive aggressiveness to me. Like I said, we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.

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Kai didn't need to be in that scene. I understand that Opal has the useful side function of establishing that Bolin is no longer attracted to Korra (no more love triangles plz). Kai, however, could easily be replaced by Jinora or another of Tenzin's kids or maybe Bumi. Why do they all need to hang around their family? Kai can't be much older than the kids and he's doing his share. This is what I mean, Kai offers nothing that we didn't already have in abundance thanks to Tenzin having a shitton of kids, except for being Jinora's love interest.
Eh. Fair enough, I guess. I definitely agree with the "no more love triangles" sentiment. Dear god, NO. Just keep the creators away from the serious writing room. They're good world builders and visionaries, but their writing can get very iffy around certain topics, mostly political strawman and romantic stuff. They only wrote 2 of the fan favorite episodes of the old show and 1 of those was written with help from a colleague.

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Mako was bitching multiple times about his detective job. The problem is that this is ALL I remember him doing. Did he do anything else? Yea, some stuff was tied to the plot about him being a detective, but that seemed more like an attempt to give him something to do. Bolin mentions Mako is sleeping under his desk (when Mako was once again bitching how important working for the police is to him) so I thought it was kinda implied that the job was shitty. Did we ever learn why his police work is relevant to him? He was a criminal first and then he was kind of a professional athelte and now suddenly being in the police is the most important thing ever. I don't get him at all and I don't even care anymore.
Again, difference of opinion is all we have on this point. I don't interpret Mako as constantly bitching. That's more what Zuko does. In Zuko's case, it was central to his character though and written well enough to usually not be annoying. He definitely is the character to give stuff to do, to the point that in Book 2 Lin and the police force had to be dumbed down, so he could have his big detective moment. And, he wasn't even a detective yet! I always got the impression that the job was important because 1) he wants to redeem his criminal past (personal interpretation), 2) wanted to provide for himself and his brother (somewhat implied, mostly personal interpretation), and 3) enjoys it/has more talent for it than other things (actually stated, we see him genuinely happy and figuring out stuff on his own as early as Book 1 with Amon).

Frankly, Mako is the one character to never fully grow on me. Every other character I had problems with has grown on me eventually, which includes Korra, Asami, Bolin, Jinora, Meelo, Lin, everyone really. So, I don't blame you for not caring.
 

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What? First off, while they were occasionally referred to as the Air Nation in the old show and here as well, they're not really a nation. They're monks/nomads/whatever. Tenzin evolved their role from that, of course. They clearly have been given a license to do what they're doing. They have been given acknowledgement regardless whether or not it's official. I don't see how they can be viewed as trying to gain political power considering not only how new they are, but also how FEW of them are. There's like what? Dozens of them, maybe? Yeah, that's a great force to seize political control with.

Yes, they're similar to Kuvira, but Kuvira is clearly aggressive about how she goes about things and if you're going to compare them to Kuvira then you can't call them vigilantes. She has sanction to do what she is doing as well.

To call them Batman is ingenuous; even with all the acknowledgement he gets he's got no license to do what he does. Tenzin was REQUESTED for help. It's not like there was an Avatar version of the bat signal that they turned on. The only reason he sent airbenders in training is because the Air Nation is spread so thin or at least that was my interpretation.
Fair enough, I guess you could interpret it that way.
It just feels like it all goes against everything that Tenzin was trying to do in Book 3 - you know, rebuilding the Air Nation. Passing on the culture. Felt like they should be living more like the Air Nomads if that's what Tenzin was trying to do.
Guess the main the reason it annoyed me so much were those goddamn totally-not-a-superhero-custome-wingsuits. They all wore Air Nomad clothing and had gliders in the last Book. Is that out of fashion? Is this the new dress code for Air Nomads? What happened to passing on the culture? I could get behind it if it was some functional "uniform" for Tenzin's Airbender Task Force (TATF), but why are Tenzin's kids wearing it at the dinner table?
 

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So, throughout all of its depictions, the Earth Kingdom has been basically portrayed as China. A (very) rough history of China shows that following the end of the Qing dynasty, there was a period of lawlessness and, thanks to the Yellow River changing course, widespread hunger and displaced peoples. Then came two men who both sought to unite China, Mao Zedong (who came from the people, was well loved, but extremely authoritarian), and Chiang Kai-Shek (who favored Democracy, was the favorite of more Capitalist nations *cough* Republic City *cough*).

Following this line of metaphor, I await Kuvira's Cultural Revolution. If they don't deliver, I will be very sad.
 

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Fair enough, I guess you could interpret it that way.
It just feels like it all goes against everything that Tenzin was trying to do in Book 3 - you know, rebuilding the Air Nation. Passing on the culture. Felt like they should be living more like the Air Nomads if that's what Tenzin was trying to do.
Guess the main the reason it annoyed me so much were those goddamn totally-not-a-superhero-custome-wingsuits. They all wore Air Nomad clothing and had gliders in the last Book. Is that out of fashion? Is this the new dress code for Air Nomads? What happened to passing on the culture? I could get behind it if it was some functional "uniform" for Tenzin's Airbender Task Force (TATF), but why are Tenzin's kids wearing it at the dinner table?
I PERSONALLY don't feel like it goes against anything. He's trying to reestablish the Air Nation for the modern world. That requires trial and error. Hopefully, he is still doing some of what he was doing in Book 3 because I do hope they go back to the old culture and things like that. Like I said, in one of my earlier replies, I saw most of the Air Nation as secretly very selfish (Not to say that the real life peoples they're influenced from are, but the way they practiced? Most definitely). I want them to take all the culture and not apply it in the close-minded way their predecessors did. If the Air Nation has really changed into superhero costume wingsuit taskforce I'll be disappointed, but the fact Tenzin still wears his traditional robes does give me some hope, they'll addresses this the right way. Because there is a right way to address this. Then again, as you said, even his kids are wearing the getup.

On a side note, I get the feeling the wingsuits are influenced from Zaheer. His flying ability, without the use of a staff, made him OP. They can't gain the ability because of what it takes to obtain it, so wingsuits are the next best thing.

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Following this line of metaphor, I await Kuvira's Cultural Revolution. If they don't deliver, I will be very sad.
That would be nice to see in the Avatar world. Let's hope the creators have only the minimum necessary writing control. They have a tendency to strawman more complex political matters.
 

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Is it just me, or does Kuvira's army look like a fascist organization. the uncomfortable way they prey on people's fears to get supporters, the military dress that the pie-throwers were wearing in Republic City, and, for the love of shit, we get a quick shot of her soldiers wearing what amount to stormtrooper helmets. I'm calling it right now, definitely fascism
 

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Absolutely. I should have stressed that this episode and its representations of the characters was perfectly fine, but for my tastes it was nothing more than fine. Kuvira could go either way and I guess I would have liked for a stronger showing for her first reveal as antagonist. By the way, I'm guessing "antagonist" will be a much better title for her than "villain", but we'll see.

I'm sure the rest of the season will be something less divisive. I expect his was just the exposition before stuff gets rolling and the excitement of seeing the characters after what might have been a year between seasons would have been more fulfilling. Since it was only six weeks, it had a little less of an impact.
In my defense, you do call Kuvira a villain yourself in the article, or at least refer to her in that context:

"It's still too early to really judge the character, but the villains from ATLA and Legend of Korra have often been more intriguing and better motivated than what we are seeing in Kuvira. This is the end of the series and the final antagonist should hopefully be more than someone craving power, especially after Zaheer and the Red Lotus, villains that were legitimately anarchists."

In season 3 we didn't actually learn anything about the antagonists till half way through the season, and Amon's motivations didn't come into light till the last few episodes. I do think it's far too early to be criticizing and comparing Kuvira to fully fleshed out antagonists with only one episode for herself to go on.

Heck so far the most simple villain in the entire franchise has been The Last Airbender's Firelord Ozai (Bwahaha, I shall conquer the world WITH FIRE), and people seem to love him just fine once he was given some screentime and built into a legitimate threat. Who's to say Kuvira couldn't do the same, even if it turns out she does just have simplistic goals of conquest?

In any case complaints of villainous cynicism aside, fair enough. Just going to have to wait and see where the show goes with all this and whether it builds up to something or falls flat.
 

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The episode was good, I hope Kuvira will at least be a well intentioned extremist rather than an outright villain (or even a good guy), she seems pretty cool, a more throwback to the original series normal villains rather than super-special bender every season in Korra had until now. I bet that she was responisble for the plane stealing the food supply.

For the article, the problem with Korra was that she's written pretty badly with a lot of flip-flopping on her character and taking a step back every couple of episodes (especially in the 2nd season).