Let?s Get Off the Xbone Hate-Train Already

[Taurus Vis]

"I honestly felt like Microsoft was trying to push the industry forward. Innovate in ways that the other Big 2 didn't."

Is he serious, is this guy serious? Do you truly believe that there intent was anything other than the facilitation of a system that would enslave it's owners to a monopolistic media outlet where they can take away your games if you don't sign on every 24 hours and restrict you from exchanging games with friend? Xbone deserves a continuing, burning hatred for all it stood for. Don't let Microsoft off the hook because they pulled a 180, it just further proves that they had no "vision" for the future. If that were so they would have stuck to their ideals. What the Xbone represents is the penultimate example of corporate hubris. Trying to unabashedly cram anti consumer products down our throat. They thought the gaming community to consist entirely of fools. They didn't count on many media outlets turning on them. They didn't count on PS4 having the greatest poker face in the history of console release. They didn't count on the enormous backlash among the core gaming community.

In the end, when the preorder numbers came out, they crammed into the board room, and succumbed to cowardice! They realized that we aren't yet as stupid as they thought we were. "Some are. Some are willing to put up with our terrible asinine policies just to play Halo, but many are leaving us" they explained to one another. In the end, they had to concede that their plan to enslave their consumers had failed, and they went back on their "promise of progress". They have earned every bit of anger, disdain, ire and venom that they have had directed at them. If you think that this is innovation, than you are sadly a sheep, easily led to slaughter. If you want family sharing, share with your family, you don't need xbone to let you share.


P.S. I bet you think FOX tells the truth as well (disclaimer, MSNBC and CNN are also terrible)

P.P.S The Prism Kinect/PRISM thing has already been covered, and is damning not only to the Microsoft Company, but to the entire American Criminal Government system. But I will not bring politics into this. This is about gaming, not politics.

 

[LetalisK]

No.

We'll get off the hate train when Microsoft decides to do some positive things rather than just not do negative things after a huge public backlash.

 

[ninjaRiv]

Wait...Why did you put Gamers in quotes?

I don't like Microsoft because of their BS attitude and their way of looking down on their own customers. I think the Xbone looks like a shitty console. That's pretty much it, I don't think there's really any sort of train any more for the most part.

 

[Mid Boss]

I think it's about time us "gamers" stop hating Microsoft's Xbox One console.

No. I rarely forgive, I never forget, and I'll hate whatever corporate douche bags I feel like hating. Thanks anyway.

 

[BayouStalker]

Considering the arrogance their former mouth had over the whole thing (Who soon jumped after he did his damage), they have a lot of repairing to do. I personally don't care now that it isn't always on (Not having an internet connection that is always there kinda hurts.)

The only reason why the PS4 has an edge on it for me is it is a crisp 100 dollars cheaper. I don't give a damn about the Kinnect, and while it is a fun novelty, most developers aren't really going full bore into the thing either so it is kind of a required chunk of space on the entertainment center that can be used for party games when everyone gets drunk. If it was fifty dollars cheaper I might be more willing to go for it, but as it stand, I'm not even getting either when they both come out. I probably will wait at least a year for prices to come down overall.

 

[Vedli]

I fully agree with the OP.

Get off the hate train.

Join me on the apathy train of not giving a shit about the XBone. You get all the benefits of the hate train, like not spending money on a crappy console, without any of the downsides, like increased blood pressure.

It's a much better place to be.

Hurry up! Because the apathy train is departing, since we don't really care to be in this thread anyway.

The apathy train isn't going anywhere because the driver is so apathetic he can't even be bothered to leave the station. Not that anyone cares. And if they did the conductor would throw them off, well assuming he could be bothered to (I'm guessing no).

On topic (I guess) well done OP this post is the equivalent of smacking a stick on a hive of angry but dormant bees.

 

[Norithics]

Germany still doesn't let you have nazis depicted in anything ever.
I think Microsoft can stew in their mistakes a little longer.

 

[pilouuuu]

No! Just no.
NOOOOOOO!

I want to see it fail so badly! And it is gonna suck. PS4 already won. And I'm not even a console gamer. But I want to see it fail, so Microsoft get want they deserve for being such jerks.

 

[Evil Smurf]

CHOO CHOO!

The Xbone 180 has the following faults: It's expensive
The kinnect spies on you
No backwards compatibility
You need to pay to play online
Microsoft has no respect for their customers

That said the PS4 shares some of these traits as well. Overall I recomend spending the $500 you'll save from the Xbone 180 on a graphics card and ram.

 

[V da Mighty Taco]

*Super Street Snipper IV Deluxe*

Le sigh, where to begin? Let's do this as a list:

A) People can "hate" or complain about whatever they please, so long as their civil about it and back up what they say with a sound argument. Whether you or anyone is irritated by their opinions is irrelevant.

B) Define "hate train" for me, please? From my understanding, "hate train" implies that one only complains about something merely for the sake of complaining or to fit in with those who make similar complaints, while simultaneously not actually caring about the subject at hand or having any legitimate criticisms of their own. If that is indeed the case, then not only is the "hate train" assumption nothing more than a giant strawman argument, it's also something that cannot be proven by you yet can be disproven by almost everyone who has complained about the subject at hand (the Xbox One here) due to their detailed reasoning behind their complaints - which most will gladly vocalize to you should you ask about said reasoning. This would also simultaneously prove that you have not listened to the aformentioned complaints or are deliberately ignoring them, as well as you ignoring Occam's Razor entirely. Until you describe to me your definition of "hate train", all I can assume is the above is true, so please explain to me exactly what you mean by "hate train" so I need not rely on uncertain assumptions and thus can be more accurate in my assessment of your point.

C) At least on these forums, the number of threads and thus active criticisms pertaining to the Xbox One have plummetted dramatically, to the point where the creation of a thread like this at this time doesn't make much sense. Why was this thread made now, rather than +2 weeks ago?

D) The Family Sharing Library (aka the FSL). Nobody knows exactly how the Family Sharing feature was going to work, outside of maybe Microsoft employees (even that's debatable). Much of the crucial details needed to assess the usefulness and effectiveness of the FSL is entirely unknown, with almost everything boiling down to rumor and speculation. Without more reliable info on the exact details about how the FSL would work, one simply cannot argue one way or the other on whether it would be a good thing or not, nor can it be used to counter the Xbox One's criticisms.

E) The DRM. First off, the requirement for the DRM is entirely caused by the aformentioned FSL which, even if the FSL worked as well as many hoped (which nobody knows), would not be even close to being worth the downside of said DRM. That's not getting into the issue of if the FSL turned out to be less than we hoped for, which was entirely possible. you also ignore two of the biggest complaints about the Xbox One's former DRM - that Microsoft's servers or connection could very well prove unreliable in the same vein as SimCity or Diablo 3, and that the Xbox One's servers could be shut down in time ala the original Xbox - which would render every single Xbox One game completely unplayable. There's also the issue that not everyone has or can afford internet, yet may get their kids a preferably-used console and a couple games for Christmas or their birthday (something I personally am very familiar with even in my teenage years). All of these are colossal issues for a lot of people, and cannot simply be ignored or written off. Which goes into my next issue...

F) The extra $100 - $150 pricetag. For some people, this really does break the bank for them. Think of the above scenario of a poor family who buys all their kids, as their sole Christmas present, a new game system and a few games. $350 - $400 is quite pushing it for them already (WiiU and PS4 prices, respectively), but $500 dollars could truly be to much for them to afford while still being able to afford food for the month. People like this not only exist, but are surprisingly common even in America (something I can say from experience). That's not even getting into the HDTV requirement, but that's another issue and you already get my point. As for those not in poverty, some just don't like spending an extra %25 or more on a console when the competitors are cheaper, especially if they don't want the Kinect and feel that it's unnecessarily driving up the cost. Speaking of the Kinect...

G) The Kinect. First off, it's mandatory inclusion drives up the price of the console substantially, which I've already covered. There's also the concerns not only of the government spying on people with it (as the NSA scandal has proven them more than willing to do), but of Microsoft themselves abusing it for advertisement or even licensing purposes, as their recent patent [http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120278904%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904] points towards as a legitimate possibility. There's also the problem that, contrary to what you think, the Kinect can never be truly turned off while the console is in use - it can only be set to a standby mode that still hears what people say, even if it's only set to respond to "Xbox On". The fact that there's a hyper-advanced camera that must always be connected, powered, and in some state of activity bothers many people immensely - especially after the whole PRISM affair got leaked.

H) A nitpick here, but you keep mentioning DDR5 RAM. The PS4 uses GDDR5, not DDR5. Anyways, it'd also be nice if you went into more detail on the differences between GDDR5 and DDR3 RAM, because you didn't do that good of a job at explaining the pros and cons of each, thus not really proving your point on them.

I) The PS4 is NOT confirmed to use 3.5 GB of RAM for OS purposes or any other for that matter. It's what an anonymous source told Digital Foundry, which cannot under any circumstances be considered an official source. In other words, it's still nothing more than a rumor and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. Anonymous sources do not equal fact.

J) The number of exclusives isn't what sells the consoles, it's the quality of said exclusives. You kind of acknowledge this and for that you deserve credit, but your post only acknowledges that it comes down to personal preference due to the number of day-one exclusives being so close. Even if Xbox One had 3 times the day-one exclusives than the PS4, if they're on average much worse than the PS4's games then the PS4 will still win out in sales. There's a reason the term "killer app" exists, after all. Bit more credit to you though for not including games like Titanfall that will also be on PC. Not everyone would remember to do that, so kudos.

K) The Xbox One has been turning itself around quite a bit lately (I really do wonder how much of that has to do with Mattrick leaving, but that's another discussion entirely). However, all it's done is take out many of the negatives. For many, it still hasn't actually given them enough positives to want the console even ignoring the sour taste that it put in a lot of people's mouths. You must also remember that first impressions are incredibly important and hard to shake off once made. People aren't simply going to forget what Microsoft tried to do, even if they have forgiven them for it (which many haven't). They've shown what kind of people they are, and it's now up to them to change people's minds about that - which is something that they must earn. If people don't think that Microsoft has earned their trust or respect, then Microsoft has not earned it, plain and simple.

L) "L" for Lastly here (*yay* for me and my oh-so-incredible humor ). Those who feel the need to constantly keep insisting that they're not fanboys more-often-than-not actually are, even if their not aware of it. Maybe you aren't, maybe you are; but either case it's something worth thinking about. After all, the golden rule is indeed "Show, don't tell".

Also, more props for making a wall o' text even larger than any of mine (no sarcasm intended). That's actually pretty impressive, I must admit.

 

[Anthony Corrigan]

do you forgot a child molester molested children just because they promise not to do it again?
Just because they reversed these idiocies once doesn't mean they couldn't do it again and that's not even to mention that they still haven't removed there creepy spy cam and there technology to "check to make sure the person who installed the game is the one using it" via facial recognition and "checking to make sure you don't have more than the "allowed" number watching something or you will be prompted to pay again" they haven't said they wont use THESE and they still could even without the always online.

I don't let perverts who want to spy on me into my house, simple as that

 

[V da Mighty Taco]

P.S. I bet you think FOX tells the truth as well (disclaimer, MSNBC and CNN are also terrible)

??? What purpose does this quote serve to the topic at hand, other than to be a giant strawman argument? Are these kind of off-topic personal-insult quotes even allowed here? Do you even have any proof or reason to believe this, even if it had anything to do with this discussion whatsoever?

Captcha: "face the music" o_0

 

[Liam Guzzo]

You know what I won;t get off the hate train. Just because they put their dick back in their pants and apologized after slapping us doesn't mean we should forgive them.

 

[Xan Krieger]

The biggest problem I have with the kinect is how much cheaper they could sell the xbone for without it. Why should people pay for something they don't want and likely will never use? If they make a version of the xbone where the kinect isn't included I think it would sell fairly well.

 

[Evil Smurf]

You know what I won;t get off the hate train. Just because they put their dick back in their pants and apologized after slapping us doesn't mean we should forgive them.

Thanks for the mental image D:

 

[The_Echo]

It's not a hate train when people have legitimate reasons to feel derision toward a company and it's decisions.

The Xbone was, and still is (just subdued) a system designed to benefit Microsoft and its affiliates, not you.

It's been evident for years that Microsoft has no intention of making a games console. They've been forcing the multimedia aspect of the 360 for a long time now. The Xbox One is not a gaming console, it is a multimedia hub. Unfortunately, everything it does is already covered by devices most people have already.

So what are the benefits to getting an Xbone? Well, you get the Kinect! Greaaaaaaaat. Especially with the knowledge that the Kinect is mandatory, and will be used to target ads at you. What's that you say? Why are there ads? Because Microsoft wants to get as much money as they possibly can.

Online multiplayer and services like Netflix (which you already pay for) are locked behind Xbox Live Gold. The Xbox One effectively requires a Gold subscription to function the way it's advertised. And you still get ads. And going by the 360's example, you will get a lot of them.

Yes, this is certainly better than what the Xbone could have been, but it's still bad. And the fact that Microsoft thought they could get away with a system-wide DRM says to me that they don't give a flying shit about you, the consumer, the source of their profit.

They see you as a cash cow, and will milk you as hard and as long as they can, and they will never stop unless you start kicking.

And when they finally get kicked, and they stop milking so hard, we're supposed to forgive them and welcome them back with open arms? I'm sorry, but I'd rather keep kicking.

 

[Callate]

I've stopped feeling a strong need to evangelize against the XBox One.

I'm still not planning to buy one.

If someone else does, I will endeavor not to scold them about it. There will undoubtedly be some very good exclusives for the system.

But if I was planning to buy one of the two, I'd still rather have Sony's option.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I'm just tired of hearing people hate on Microsoft so much. They haven't dug their grave, they attempted to innovate and quickly realized we weren't ready for that, we didn't want that right now.

Clearly the ability to force the consumer to jump through three times as many hoops just to share, resell or even play games was incredibly innovative!

 

[stabnex]

I'm speaking as a video game store owner now, and all I'm anticipating from the XB1 is a bunch of ravenous fanboys, and frustrated mothers buying this for their 5 year-old kids giving me quick sales at my store. Followed by losing a LOT of customers over the horrid features you're proudly boasting. The console has been one mistake after another, and very, VERY few rectifications have been made to fix it.

I'm going to put it simply. Microsoft. Hates. Consumers. We are simply ATM's with PMS to them.

 

[TallanKhan]

I am not a xbox ?fanboy?

Yes you are.

Not only are you defending the undefendable, which should be the dictionary definition of fanboy, but if you weren't an Xbox fanboy you would not have felt the need to protest your innocence so many times in your opening post.

Now heres where I stand on the points you raise:

DRM.

My objection to the the 24 hour check in requirment had nothing to do with the reliability of my connection or even the inconvenience of the whole thing. But on a point of general principle I am not going to buy a damn expensive piece of hardware only to be told I need Microsoft's permission to use the device I own. You wouldn't do this for anything else, you wouldn't buy a car that made you call the garage every morning to check in before you could start the ignition would you?

Family Sharing.

The only advantage this had over just lending someone your game (something else Microsoft weren't going to allow you to do)was that two of you could play at the same time. For this to be meaningful you would have to be connected online anyway so this could be easily monitored to keep it free from abuse without the aforementioned DRM,

Kinect.

My objection to the Kinect is specifically because it is packaged with the console itself and it offers the developers more opportunities to incorporate these features into games. With games today, unless the game is specifically designed to be played with just motion controls, the developers have to make games so that they can be played through with a standard controller. With a system like the Kinect built in, all of a sudden, two thirds of the way through my game they can make it not just optional, but mandatory for me to have to stand up and wave my arms around like brain damaged panda bear (and no i don't know why i chose panda bear) in order to progress through the game. Motion sensors are a pointless fad and the sooner we put the whole concept behind us the better.

However, you have neglected possibly my two biggest gripes with the Xbone.

1) The used game restrictions. Yes they may have climbed down on this but the fact that a company would try to dictate how you can dispose of your own property is beyond disgusting.

2) The Xbone is not truly a games console. It is, on a basic level a device designed to sell you subscriptions, be it to Xbox live, sports packages, or streaming services. Games are just an afterthought. Also while I have no interest in the services listed, I am irritated by the fact that most of them are only available in North America yet international customers will still be paying full price for the damn console. As a European customer, that grinds my gears.