the thing for me is that MS needs to regain my trust after what they had tried to do, and can very well still do it. I no longer hate on the Xbox One, I am just going to wait a long while before I purchase one.
Let?s Get Off the Xbone Hate-Train Already
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Despite my better judgement I have thrown my towel in with Xbox one myself. 1) All my software is on Xbox One. Including my live profile. I hate starting new on the sony Network (which btw is not the most safest of places to keep your information). And you rarely ever see network outages on Xbox Live. Unless there's a Hardware update. And I am looking forward to the performance increase. As I also have a comcast subscription. The DRM was just a witch hunt to begin with and we all know it. Now combine the price list compared to the PS4 you'll notice where they spent the extra money at. I have no problem with it. I've said this a thousand times already but I guess it bears repeating. Trust me people. Once you start playing with it. You'll stop complaining bout it.
First off, I'm incredibly happy with my PC and am only on the hate train because "blargh consumer rights" and other such hogwash. Second, could you put up a source for being able to turn the kinect off while having the xbone on (other than black tape). And third, the check up isn't just about the reliability of the user's internet, it also matters about the servers that Microsoft has and whether they go done for an indefinite amount of time along with the restrictions on launch. (like what, 21 countries at launch?)
Edit: Also because not being backwards compatible is stupid, from any company.
Edit: Also because not being backwards compatible is stupid, from any company.
Sir how did you get in here? No passengers are allowed.Dead Century said:
Don't need to hurry. I've been the one driving the thing since it first set out.Hagi said:
I always avoid the hate trains. They're awful, horrible things. The carriages smell bad. The seats are uncomfortable. They play awful films during the trip. The microwave meals are dry and cardboard-y. The beverage carts are always out of the drinks I want. And worst of all, 90% of your fellow passengers are angry, bile-filled, confrontational jerks who throw trash on the floor and dirty up the restrooms.
Seriously...fuck those hate trains. I want nothing to do with them.
I agree except for one thing, this is a member of the media and this is your launch. This isn't some little back room comment that you make against one particular consumer which happens to get recorded, it wasn't even a secret interview that he didn't know was being recorded so he thought he could be a dick and get away with it. This was an openly recorded interview at your big launch party. This is the time you should MOST be thinking about PR and everything should be nice and friendly to get sales. The way he treated that interview WAS a reflection of there attack on consumers because it showed that they thought they didn't even need to hide there nasty side, they could air it publicly and STILL people would buy it.Lightknight said:
theyre attempt to get even more money out of us backfired, so they re-evaluated and changed the system so they wouldnt lose any more money.
whatever they did or didnt do, at no point were your feelings and personal interpretation microsoft's point of interest. everything they do they do to make money, and their biggest failure was announcing features that so poorly disguised that goal.
whatever they did or didnt do, at no point were your feelings and personal interpretation microsoft's point of interest. everything they do they do to make money, and their biggest failure was announcing features that so poorly disguised that goal.
How about no?
Microsoft has lost my trust and respect with the shit they pulled, and just removing some of the offending 'features' isn't nearly enough to win me over as a customer. Besides, it's still 100 bucks more expensive because it has a camera I wouldn't buy if it was free.
Microsoft has lost my trust and respect with the shit they pulled, and just removing some of the offending 'features' isn't nearly enough to win me over as a customer. Besides, it's still 100 bucks more expensive because it has a camera I wouldn't buy if it was free.
I don't hate Microsoft, I just gave up in them.
The DRM broke this completely. The internet where I live doesn't allow me to connect consoles to the internet so it wouldn't be just when the power went out or I went away to a place without internet. Now the thing is this is how it works for most student appartments over here. Basically a huge chunk of the target audience won't be able to use the console.
Now that doesn't matter though since they removed it. However the family sharing is the perfect example of why I lost faith in Microsoft.what exactly is it? How does it work? They announced that there would be such a rhing and held the details hidden extremely well. They left a llot of things uncertain for us to speculate about rather than doing a proper job of explaining it. Now that's been the case for almost every feature. Used games were not possible to use, you needed to pay a fee, you could lend the, to friends in your frieend list, you could get them from only some retailers who had agreed with the publisher on the terms. They removed that bullshit too with the DRM... Kinda... They said that particular kind would be left in the hands of the publisher. Leaving the subject vague.
Now let's not forget the original announcement video promising that it wouldn't be a game system. It would be a media box which by some coincidence also plays games. This is actually something I really like. I love getting media features for my game consoles. Why am I bringing this up? Because most of the awesome features won't work here. That's right, most of the fewtures that were more important than the fact that it plays games aren't possible to use.
All in all I am utterly indifferent to this console. Give me a reason to buy it and I might. Right now I meed something more. They might impress me in the future and I might end up with one, but it will be when Microsoft fives me a reason, not some random guy on the internet.
The DRM broke this completely. The internet where I live doesn't allow me to connect consoles to the internet so it wouldn't be just when the power went out or I went away to a place without internet. Now the thing is this is how it works for most student appartments over here. Basically a huge chunk of the target audience won't be able to use the console.
Now that doesn't matter though since they removed it. However the family sharing is the perfect example of why I lost faith in Microsoft.what exactly is it? How does it work? They announced that there would be such a rhing and held the details hidden extremely well. They left a llot of things uncertain for us to speculate about rather than doing a proper job of explaining it. Now that's been the case for almost every feature. Used games were not possible to use, you needed to pay a fee, you could lend the, to friends in your frieend list, you could get them from only some retailers who had agreed with the publisher on the terms. They removed that bullshit too with the DRM... Kinda... They said that particular kind would be left in the hands of the publisher. Leaving the subject vague.
Now let's not forget the original announcement video promising that it wouldn't be a game system. It would be a media box which by some coincidence also plays games. This is actually something I really like. I love getting media features for my game consoles. Why am I bringing this up? Because most of the awesome features won't work here. That's right, most of the fewtures that were more important than the fact that it plays games aren't possible to use.
All in all I am utterly indifferent to this console. Give me a reason to buy it and I might. Right now I meed something more. They might impress me in the future and I might end up with one, but it will be when Microsoft fives me a reason, not some random guy on the internet.
1) Xbox One was built from the ground up to be always connected to the internet, if you thing some of those always online requirements aren't going to sneak back in you're a more trusting man then I.
2) The Xbox 360 had the worst failure rate of any console to date, I'm not going to just up and forget that. You can read all the PR hype, that bullshit about being on for 10 years without fail, or you can look at some of the rumors of possible throttling down the specs since currently the one is burning through it's ram. Look at the system build, those huge vents were put there because the system already burns hot.
3) Kinect 2, costly piece of tat that actually has the selling point of "it can be turned off", which is the system can be turned off because I've yet to see that you can have the Xbox One running and not have the Kinect working. Also call me when it works as well as they say it does in the consumer home, most of the PR hype Microsoft has said was also said about the original Kinect.
4) Specs are relatively the same, but PS4 still has been shown to run faster, and thats before the possible scale back of specs due to the system frying itself.
5) I like to play Japanese games, the Xbox One won't even be coming out in Japan for a year, also most Japanese developers learned their lesson with the 360, so yeah the Xbox One is going to suck with Japanese games.
6) Microsoft has flip flopped so much the production team probably is in the shit, if they're still doing major revisions a few months before launch then their shit is not going to be together, it's going to be a piece of shit thrown together all to get out the same year the PS4 comes out, I'd rather they waited and built the system around policies they've long set in place instead of this "lets wait until the internet tells us what to do" mentality.
7) What the hell's up with the little @Kylzavara thing?
2) The Xbox 360 had the worst failure rate of any console to date, I'm not going to just up and forget that. You can read all the PR hype, that bullshit about being on for 10 years without fail, or you can look at some of the rumors of possible throttling down the specs since currently the one is burning through it's ram. Look at the system build, those huge vents were put there because the system already burns hot.
3) Kinect 2, costly piece of tat that actually has the selling point of "it can be turned off", which is the system can be turned off because I've yet to see that you can have the Xbox One running and not have the Kinect working. Also call me when it works as well as they say it does in the consumer home, most of the PR hype Microsoft has said was also said about the original Kinect.
4) Specs are relatively the same, but PS4 still has been shown to run faster, and thats before the possible scale back of specs due to the system frying itself.
5) I like to play Japanese games, the Xbox One won't even be coming out in Japan for a year, also most Japanese developers learned their lesson with the 360, so yeah the Xbox One is going to suck with Japanese games.
6) Microsoft has flip flopped so much the production team probably is in the shit, if they're still doing major revisions a few months before launch then their shit is not going to be together, it's going to be a piece of shit thrown together all to get out the same year the PS4 comes out, I'd rather they waited and built the system around policies they've long set in place instead of this "lets wait until the internet tells us what to do" mentality.
7) What the hell's up with the little @Kylzavara thing?
I always thought that was odd actually, if anything the PS3 should have been more suseptable to overheating because its power supply is internal where as the Xbox 360 has it external so the main source of heat is away from the sensitive componentsNiPah said:
Things I will not do to play my console:
1) pay the extra up charge on my cellular plan to allow tethering in the off chance my land Internet goes out for 24 hours and I want to plan my games. Yes, that is an option, but its is a dumb one.
Here is a thought. If you think Xbox One is great good for you. I am glad! Do yourself a favor and ignore the haters. They don't matter, and they definitely couldn't care less about what you think.
1) pay the extra up charge on my cellular plan to allow tethering in the off chance my land Internet goes out for 24 hours and I want to plan my games. Yes, that is an option, but its is a dumb one.
Here is a thought. If you think Xbox One is great good for you. I am glad! Do yourself a favor and ignore the haters. They don't matter, and they definitely couldn't care less about what you think.
At least with PSN they had to actually steal it, instead of MS just auto-forwarding the lot to the NSAStillgard said:
I didn't read every response so I apologise if this has been said already.
Family sharing? 10 people playing one game?
Think about this for a second. The console that wanted to do away with used games because you know used games hurt publishers so bad they only made millions in profit. That same console was going to approve 1 sale = 10 copies? Yeah I don't think so somehow. That little piece about it being timed demos with the option to purchase at the end sounds much more realistic.
As for the rest of it, beyond the spyware kinect, no opinion. I pretty much only use a console for Netflix and movies these days. Microsoft wants to charge me to use a service I'm already charged for. That is why I won't be buying an Xbone. I don't hate it, I just have zero interest in Microsoft's offering this time round.
Family sharing? 10 people playing one game?
Think about this for a second. The console that wanted to do away with used games because you know used games hurt publishers so bad they only made millions in profit. That same console was going to approve 1 sale = 10 copies? Yeah I don't think so somehow. That little piece about it being timed demos with the option to purchase at the end sounds much more realistic.
As for the rest of it, beyond the spyware kinect, no opinion. I pretty much only use a console for Netflix and movies these days. Microsoft wants to charge me to use a service I'm already charged for. That is why I won't be buying an Xbone. I don't hate it, I just have zero interest in Microsoft's offering this time round.
Ooh! Ooh! I had an image for this one!
In all seriousness, it doesn't really matter what train you're on. Who cares if other people don't like the console? If you like it, buy it. It makes absolutely no difference whether or not an outspoken subset of gamers "hate" the Xbox One. I'd say that roughly half the console market's target audience will still buy Microsoft's machine, roughly half will buy the PS4, and a small minority will pick up both.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm not buying either. As long as Bungie decides to bring Destiny to PC, I'll be playing everything worth playing, same as people who buy either console.
In all seriousness, it doesn't really matter what train you're on. Who cares if other people don't like the console? If you like it, buy it. It makes absolutely no difference whether or not an outspoken subset of gamers "hate" the Xbox One. I'd say that roughly half the console market's target audience will still buy Microsoft's machine, roughly half will buy the PS4, and a small minority will pick up both.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm not buying either. As long as Bungie decides to bring Destiny to PC, I'll be playing everything worth playing, same as people who buy either console.
You know for some people $100 (£80 for us Brits) does break the bank. I should spend that money with the option of "if you don't like it you can turn it off"? Which means I'd be paying £80 for something I won't use. I'm not going to pay the extra money for a console I believe is less appealing than the PS4. That £80 can help pay off the mortgage or be spent on my girlfriend.Zelgon said:
You said yourself, opinion. Personal opinion. I don't think the Kinect is worth it, neither do a lot or people. The only reason I got a Kinect for my 360 was cause it was second hand and didn't come with a box so it was dirt cheap. Even then I can't even remember the last time I turned it on. It's a pointless piece of hardware in my opinion and not worth my extra money. The Kinect should be an optional extra not a part of the console forced onto us and if a lot of other gamers share that view then it may impact the Xbox One's sales.
I departed the train a couple of weeks ago but mainly to sit back on my Nintendo Steam-boat waiting room. Anyway, Xbox One:
I was unironically impressed by the Fantasy Football thing. That is the absolute coolest looking Fantasy Football app I have ever seen; it almost makes me wish I was into Football...but I'm not and never will be because screw professional athletes and, professional sports in general.
When it comes to the Hardware, Microsoft still hasn't done anything about that one big clause...you know; the one that goes something like "We have the right to change terms of service at any time and, for any reason." They built a system from the ground up that is meant to do what was explained during E3 so within the next few years you can bet those old, unpopular features will be implemented.
As for Kinect2.0 that is the deal breaker. I live in a room too small to accommodate it, am moving to a much larger room and yet it will still be too small to accommodate the Kinect2.0. If I did have the space, I'm still iffy about having a camera/microphone in my room watching and listening as I play games while wishing I could play other games. Besides, since it's made for advertisers and developers/publishers it won't know how to advertise for me when I talk about how much I want a new Crimson Skies or Otogi.
The extra hundred dollars Microsoft are charging is another blemish, especially since it sounds like it could potentially charge $249.99 for the Xbox One if it didn't ship with the fucking Kinect. Either way; that's just an extra $500 to spend on 3DS, Wii U, and classic games.
I was unironically impressed by the Fantasy Football thing. That is the absolute coolest looking Fantasy Football app I have ever seen; it almost makes me wish I was into Football...but I'm not and never will be because screw professional athletes and, professional sports in general.
When it comes to the Hardware, Microsoft still hasn't done anything about that one big clause...you know; the one that goes something like "We have the right to change terms of service at any time and, for any reason." They built a system from the ground up that is meant to do what was explained during E3 so within the next few years you can bet those old, unpopular features will be implemented.
As for Kinect2.0 that is the deal breaker. I live in a room too small to accommodate it, am moving to a much larger room and yet it will still be too small to accommodate the Kinect2.0. If I did have the space, I'm still iffy about having a camera/microphone in my room watching and listening as I play games while wishing I could play other games. Besides, since it's made for advertisers and developers/publishers it won't know how to advertise for me when I talk about how much I want a new Crimson Skies or Otogi.
The extra hundred dollars Microsoft are charging is another blemish, especially since it sounds like it could potentially charge $249.99 for the Xbox One if it didn't ship with the fucking Kinect. Either way; that's just an extra $500 to spend on 3DS, Wii U, and classic games.
Well, looks like someone's been struck with Slowpoke Syndrome. Seriously, you're so late to picket the Xbone-hate train that it has done the circuit several hundred times over and the rail line has been retired.Zelgon said:
But if you must necro this subject, I'll put my two cents on the points you're discussing.
Exclusives
Not a single game from either list that remotely piques my interest, so I guess it's tie. Go teams!
Firepower
Given how pointlessly expensive it's getting to make games slightly more graphically detailed/powerful so long as either console can run their games smoothly and efficiently I couldn't care less from then on in.
DRM
So Microsoft and friends are bringing out their defenses against piracy again, eh? When will they learn that no amount of DRM is going to prevent someone from cracking and pirating the games. DRM is largely a static defense, and static defenses don't work against adaptive opposing forces. It's getting to be that every time someone wheels out some new DRM I get the mental image of some civilian contractors building a wall, then daring a bunch of military demolitions experts to blow it up. It's rather pathetic, because all that the DRM does is punish and annoy the people who do buy their products legally, because it's certainly not stopping the ones who don't. Bonus it that all the features that the new and innovative things that online "offers" can be done better by things you can find in any remotely techie household or by older and consoles.
Family Sharing
A few guys have already pointed this out, but I want to reinforce the point here. The family sharing was confirmed to be a glorified demo system that let other members of your family/"family"friends play the game for one hour before it prompted them to buy it. Usually a proper demo starts the player off in a gameplay heavy section to give them a feel for the game, but with family sharing it's starts right from the beginning, so starting cut scenes and basic setup already cut into that very short window of play. Heck imagine if the game in question is like MGS4, where there's 22 minutes of cutscenes to slog through before you even get to see any gameplay. That is horrendous.
But even if Family Sharing worked like Microsoft was initially implying (ie being able to play the full game for free), its benefits are situational at best. First off, you'd need to have multiple Xbones in the same house, but because most families aren't rich enough to be able to afford multiples of the same gaming platforms (and those that could wouldn't likely care about paying an extra 60 bucks to get everyone their own game) having to do the authentication rigmarole between accounts is a lot more complicated and lengthy than just keeping the game disc in and logging onto different accounts. Second is that those multiple XB1 users must all have a lot of game preferences in common, which with the possible exception of family-oriented games (4eg the Lego series), can be a rather hit and miss affair, so YMMV. Finally comes internet connection. Now I do have friends who I share some of my tastes in gaming with, but more than just a few of them have spotty internet at best in their areas, and it'd be faster from me to drive/bus it to their place (which in some cases would take 3+ hours one way), give them the physical disc, and transit all the way back because downloading a whole game it going to take much longer than that. With internet as spotty as it is even in industrialized nations, there's gonna be a very inconsistent effectiveness to the whole ordeal.
So on the whole, Family Sharing (as originally implied) on XB1 seemed to be designed towards a very specific demographic rather than most gamers who bought their previous product, and with the details revealed as it was removed, it wasn't even close to what we hoped it would be. Mediocre all way round
Kinect/Extra $100
Now I don't see why they need to make the Kinect a required piece of hardware to come with, especially since they've now made it entirely optional (though I wasn't thrilled about it being necessary earlier on either). Not only is the Kinect largely uninteresting to me due to the number of useless features it has (there is no real appreciable time difference between saying "Xbox on" and turning it on with the controller, especially seeing as you'll usually need the controller to play anyways with the bonus of less possible fuckups. And Skype on an Xbox? Why when in game chat will do the same thing?), but given the dimensions of my usual living spaces it's also unusable unless I manage to meld with the wall. Now why would I spend an extra hundred dollars on something I have to buy, yet I never will and can never use? At least with the PS3 it's optional, which saves me a not insignificant amount of money I could spend on games or more mundane things like rent or food.
All together
So yeah, the Xbone really didn't sell it for me the way it was. Even now it's still just a noncommittal "eeeh". But the reason why I still hate the Xbone is not just because of the features and how they restricted the players, but of how they treated the whole debacle. Now granted the PS3 had a lot of the similar features, but the guys in charge at Sony had the decent sense to realize that they'd made a mistake and fixed the problem before they even previewed their new console, while Microsoft, who had several weeks to fix their problems, not only actively defended their choices but vehemently told us, their consumer base and the people who in the long run pay all their salaries, that we were wrong and didn't know what we were talking about or what we wanted. That kind of stubbornness and stupidity is the real reason why I'm the blipping conductor of the Xbone Hate Train, because when someone on a sinking ships seriously thinks that the best way to solve the problem is to set the ship on fire too, you're never going to trust another word they say no matter how much they change their tune.
I hate all the new consoles equally.
With earlier cycles we could buy new machines and got nicer graphics, better sound, better everything.
Now if we do better graphics it's from the elite from the elitists AAA club, the people who search the broadest of audiences.
And then it will look just slightly better at best. It's entirely possible that these new graphics are used to get make games with even more gritty realism which would result in them looking actually worse.
But i can't hate the games before i see them, right? Well, i can hate the fact that companies expect me to pay 400 bucks to play new games that look, sound and play quite similar to the old ones (if we're lucky).
I don't really need new hardware to play new games, i got the hardware right here, it's my PC.
One might argue that the steam platform does some things similar to the hated Xbone features before they canceled them but i let steam get away with that because even if i take the inability to sell used games into account and buy only those games of which i am absolutely sure that i will play them for hundreds of hours and therefore get my money's worth (which i do) i will grow old and die before i have played every game that i'd play on steam. And they wont stop having new games on there for quite some time.
Also, there's the alternative of gog.com.
You could probably play games and just skip this entire console generation.
Another thing i do not like is the lack of backwards compatibility. In the olden days, we didn't have that, we had to buy adapters for the genesis/megadrive to play master system games and there was the super gameboy with which you could play gameboy games on the snes.
So now we have arrived at 20 years ago.
Wonderful.
Especially with Microsoft who boasted that the XBox one would be a device to take over the living room.
There's this other device that has a special function people often like to use and it was made by microsoft.
The xbox360 has a place in many living rooms and people who like to play the 360 games can not have the xbone "take over the living room!".
The statement was false anyways because you just can't make a device that does everything that every device in your living room does. Would be kinda hard to have any xbox play playstation games.
But if you make a statement that has been rendered false before you made it by a device made by your own company then i will not give you my money.
About the kinect: I threw many joypads away because they where unreliable. If Microsoft makes a kinect that reads 95% of my movements correctly it still wouldn't be good enough.
If it where, i'd still be reluctant because i'm lazy. Instead of flailing around and looking even more like an idiot i'd rather be pushing buttons.
About "social integration": Don't care. I'm getting the impression that executives are developing this medium right past me in a direction they assume today's "youth" is going.
You can't catch my attention with a "share" button with nebulous functions. Is this a record button that will record footage of my game onto the harddrive for later editing? Does it open up a menu in which i can choose from options like "post my score on facebook", "record my game for editing" or "host livestream"?
Is the "youth" going to fall for promises without knowing what those promises actually are? I hope not.
I hope people who think about buying on of the new consoles would demand more information first. Will i have to link up my social networking accounts with a mandatory console account?
Could be a problem, i have no facebook.
I actually read the license agreement there and was like "Nope!".
So the new consoles have better graphics but with the money that rendering anything costs for today's machines the better graphics will be even more exclusive to the biggest companies.
The new generation will also have many features that i don't need or want.
Frankly, i don't see the appeal of any of the new consoles.
With earlier cycles we could buy new machines and got nicer graphics, better sound, better everything.
Now if we do better graphics it's from the elite from the elitists AAA club, the people who search the broadest of audiences.
And then it will look just slightly better at best. It's entirely possible that these new graphics are used to get make games with even more gritty realism which would result in them looking actually worse.
But i can't hate the games before i see them, right? Well, i can hate the fact that companies expect me to pay 400 bucks to play new games that look, sound and play quite similar to the old ones (if we're lucky).
I don't really need new hardware to play new games, i got the hardware right here, it's my PC.
One might argue that the steam platform does some things similar to the hated Xbone features before they canceled them but i let steam get away with that because even if i take the inability to sell used games into account and buy only those games of which i am absolutely sure that i will play them for hundreds of hours and therefore get my money's worth (which i do) i will grow old and die before i have played every game that i'd play on steam. And they wont stop having new games on there for quite some time.
Also, there's the alternative of gog.com.
You could probably play games and just skip this entire console generation.
Another thing i do not like is the lack of backwards compatibility. In the olden days, we didn't have that, we had to buy adapters for the genesis/megadrive to play master system games and there was the super gameboy with which you could play gameboy games on the snes.
So now we have arrived at 20 years ago.
Wonderful.
Especially with Microsoft who boasted that the XBox one would be a device to take over the living room.
There's this other device that has a special function people often like to use and it was made by microsoft.
The xbox360 has a place in many living rooms and people who like to play the 360 games can not have the xbone "take over the living room!".
The statement was false anyways because you just can't make a device that does everything that every device in your living room does. Would be kinda hard to have any xbox play playstation games.
But if you make a statement that has been rendered false before you made it by a device made by your own company then i will not give you my money.
About the kinect: I threw many joypads away because they where unreliable. If Microsoft makes a kinect that reads 95% of my movements correctly it still wouldn't be good enough.
If it where, i'd still be reluctant because i'm lazy. Instead of flailing around and looking even more like an idiot i'd rather be pushing buttons.
About "social integration": Don't care. I'm getting the impression that executives are developing this medium right past me in a direction they assume today's "youth" is going.
You can't catch my attention with a "share" button with nebulous functions. Is this a record button that will record footage of my game onto the harddrive for later editing? Does it open up a menu in which i can choose from options like "post my score on facebook", "record my game for editing" or "host livestream"?
Is the "youth" going to fall for promises without knowing what those promises actually are? I hope not.
I hope people who think about buying on of the new consoles would demand more information first. Will i have to link up my social networking accounts with a mandatory console account?
Could be a problem, i have no facebook.
I actually read the license agreement there and was like "Nope!".
So the new consoles have better graphics but with the money that rendering anything costs for today's machines the better graphics will be even more exclusive to the biggest companies.
The new generation will also have many features that i don't need or want.
Frankly, i don't see the appeal of any of the new consoles.
Basically this. While I'm totally ok, both in principle and in the case of XBone, with companies deciding to aim for a new market demographic, the way they conducted themselves regarding the design of the machine and how they presented it to the world showed nothing but utter disdain for the gaming segment they've just came from. The Xbox One isn't a gaming console - it's a home media centre that also caters to gamers. It's target audience isn't gamers, it's people that consume entertainment (TV, movies, and games) primarily in their living room. And that's a healthy market to target, and will probably sell quite well there. The problem was that they were more than willing to compromise their current market (i.e. gamers) in hopes of landing bigger fish, and that ridiculously bad oversight came back to bite them on the arse - losing a huge chunk of the gaming revenue they just took for granted. They panicked and reneged on their strategy, but the damage was done. They'll likely recoup some of their losses in the coming years, but their turnover in the gaming segment will never be as high as they anticipated.Frotality said:
In short, gamers are no longer their primary concern. I wish them luck in the entertainment segment, but as a gamer, they can go fuck themselves - I'm not buying your piece of shit product because you've made it abundantly clear I'm nothing more than an afterthought.
I'd like to contrast the Xbone with what Nintendo attempted with the Wii. Like Microsoft, Nintendo decided to aim for a different market demographic than they did with previous consoles - notably they wanted to appeal to "non gamers". But where Nintendo got it (mostly) right and MS got it so, so wrong is that Nintendo never intentionally compromised their core market. Nintendo's aim was to bring more people into gaming, essentially expanding their core market rather than targeting a different one. In that way all their decisions were made for the purpose of enhancing the gaming experience, both for their current users and newcomers. They never turned their backs on customers regarding their vision. In practice, however, their lack of foresight and desire to keep costs low to help appeal to their new market resulted in them falling behind in the "hardcore" sector, which they tried but ultimately failed to address. So while they ended up letting down a good chunk of their prior audience, they never gave the impression that they just didn't give a shit about them...
... that is until the Wii U hit, and despite their promise to reclaim the market they lost with the Wii it looks like they've again come out with a severely underpowered system (which was my greatest fear when they first announced the console). If third parties can't easily port their XBO/PS4 games to the Wii U, they won't. I'm still more interested in the Wii U than the other two consoles (I might pick up a PS4 though, depending on what cool games don't get a PC release) but you dun fucked up again Nintendo. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you... again.