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And doesn't Congress need to approve of a nuclear strike? One of the other Branches needs to be involved I know that.
No.
We just hope he gets too confused or distracted in one of his regular rants about how people are not praising him more to be able to actually follow through with it.
 

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And doesn't Congress need to approve of a nuclear strike? One of the other Branches needs to be involved I know that.
Oh and if that wasn't scary enough, maybe listen to what his own former Chief of Staff of Trump's Department of Homeland Security has to say about him...
 

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I think it's pretty simple.

The right wing has a higher concentration of "selfish" ideology and attitudes, from the more extreme end of Ayn Rand-like narcissistic greed right through to the basic capitalist idea of self-improvement by amassing wealth. The idea of constantly hustling and getting away with whatever you can is inevitably sometimes going to slip over the boundary into immorality and illegality. Once you place such people in power of entities like companies and charities, with the relative lack of oversight that ownership/control results in, temptation and opportunism are even more likely to result.
I mean even on the most basic level the Republican side of politics are (theoretically) about small governments and free markets. Stuff like this is whats going to happen with mindsets like that
 

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And doesn't Congress need to approve of a nuclear strike? One of the other Branches needs to be involved I know that.
No. The president has got to discuss launching nukes with senior military personnel in the "war room", and when they verify the request, they give the president some codes for him to activate the launch.

If the president orders them to comply and give him the codes, they are supposed to obey. However, the get-out clause is that anyone in the armed forces can refuse an order that they believe to be illegal. Thus to comply, they will almost certainly want adequate justification, hence the discussion. The war room will know if anything's horribly wrong, because they have immediate access to key intel. If they don't perceive a problem, they are clearly going to resist handing over the codes. They might reasonably do things like demand assurance from other major government figures (VP, Secretary of Defence, etc.) as part of the "discussion".

If it ends up with the president not satisfying senior officers but demanding the codes anyway, I expect it will boil down to whether the authority of senior military officers or the president holds sway in the war room.
 

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I would agree it’s not a right wind exclusively

If I remember, these were all Kickstarter Projects - which had a lot of failures and fraud. Not discounting that it was fraud or leftie. Kickstarter was broken
On a more specifically political note, Nancy Pelosi has her spot near the top of the DNC because of her talent for fundraising.
 

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On a more specifically political note, Nancy Pelosi has her spot near the top of the DNC because of her talent for fundraising.
Man, she must be really good at fundraising because she hasn't been much good for anything else
 

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Arguably, if you reach a situation in which the Head of State wants to launch nuclear weapons and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff (or equivalent) disagree because they think it is disproportionate, stupid or insane and the Head of State insists, then your country has already failed on several important security concerns. I suspect that at such a turn of events the US would suffer an unceremonious military coup, as no military officer wants to go down in history as the one who helped usher in Armageddon, especially not on the whims of a President who fails to appreciate the danger.
Broadly, I agree. The president would probably have needed to subvert most of the executive too: there will be cabinet ministers and civil servants unwilling to tolerate a president so unstable that they'd start an unnecessary nuclear exchange and they'd take steps to remove him.

I suspect the president's own secret service bodyguards may also intervene, becausewhilst they might be employed to protect the president's life at all costs on one level, if they were to witness the president attempting grossly illegal or damaging acts, it would more likely be their responsibility to detain him.
 

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Arguably, if you reach a situation in which the Head of State wants to launch nuclear weapons and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff (or equivalent) disagree because they think it is disproportionate, stupid or insane and the Head of State insists, then your country has already failed on several important security concerns. I suspect that at such a turn of events the US would suffer an unceremonious military coup, as no military officer wants to go down in history as the one who helped usher in Armageddon, especially not on the whims of a President who fails to appreciate the danger.
Broadly, I agree. The president would probably have needed to subvert most of the executive too: there will be cabinet ministers and civil servants unwilling to tolerate a president so unstable that they'd start an unnecessary nuclear exchange and they'd take steps to remove him.

I suspect the president's own secret service bodyguards may also intervene, becausewhilst they might be employed to protect the president's life at all costs on one level, if they were to witness the president attempting grossly illegal or damaging acts, it would more likely be their responsibility to detain him.
Didn't he already fire everyone on his council who ever voice opposition to anything he said and replace them all with "Yes Men" now to prevent them from deeming him unfit for office? I thought that was why he cleaned house...


I thought it was the new guys who said just wait for his second term it will be " unhinged" and " shock and awe"...
At least according to what his former Chief of Staff for the Department of Homeland security had to say about it.. People REALLY need to keep listening to what " Trump's best people" have been telling us is happening right now. It wasn't just General Kelly and General Mattis that has said Trump was unfit, Miles has done a number of interviews and has had a good amount to say about what has been going on behind closed doors and Trump with his self determined " Magical authorities" is apparently not planning on leaving office if he loses. I initially didn't want to think he would do that, but from what we are hearing now, it seems highly likely this could get very ugly very quick with him being that unstable and delusional.
 
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Steve Bannon does one arguably good thing-- scam racists out of a bunch of money-- and now he's in jail. Of course.
 
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Man, she must be really good at fundraising because she hasn't been much good for anything else

Yeah.

"Pelosi has raised a total of $815.5 million since entering Democratic leadership in 2002. " I know that's over a couple decades, but that's more than the DNC has gotten collectively this campaign cycle so far. She's pretty good.
 

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Didn't he already fire everyone on his council who ever voice opposition to anything he said and replace them all with "Yes Men" now to prevent them from deeming him unfit for office? I thought that was why he cleaned house...
Sure, but the administration is still in the realm of sanity.
 

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...as no military officer wants to go down in history as the one who helped usher in Armageddon, especially not on the whims of a President who fails to appreciate the danger.
The US was the country that gave the world Curtis LeMay, so I wouldn't be overly comfortable in that.
 

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Is ANYONE really surprised by any of this? It is like someone pretending to be shocked that Trump's charity was an illegal scam as well. Bird of a feather and all.
Well, i was afraid Bannon was genuine in his efforts to build para-fascist International.
So him being ousted as another con-man, is rather positive.
 

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I note with some amusement a Fox News host, Lou Dobbs, laid the blame for this arrest at the feet of the "Deep State".

This would be the deep state that Steve Bannon himself describes as "for nut cases".
 
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I note with some amusement a Fox News host, Lou Dobbs, laid the blame for this arrest at the feet of the "Deep State".

This would be the deep state that Steve Bannon himself describes as "for nut cases".
I am just surprised that Lou Dobbs hasn't gone to work for Qanon yet tbh.
 

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Sure, but the administration is still in the realm of sanity.
I am not so sure they are anymore. All of trump's babysitters are gone now.. According to his former Chief of staff for the Department of Homeland Security, the people left are telling him that Trump's chains are off, and his second term will be " Shock and awe" because there is no longer anyone holding him back. Who exactly is babysitting him now? Steve Miller?! Trump micromanages everything, there is no " administration" anymore, it is just Trump now with some "yes men" who are unqualified for their positions. Who exactly is supposed to keep him in check. Everyone that tried is on that "former Trump administration official list" now.
 
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