Let's have a GENDER WAR!

[artanis_neravar]

Several people have mentioned that the Y chromosome is 'breaking up' or 'beginning to fail'. What are you people going on about? First I've heard of a specific chromosome going sour worldwide.

An individual can only ever have one copy of a Y chromosome, from their father. That means that if something goes wrong with a gene, the damaged gene can't be repaired from another chromosome, which is what happens in the X chromosome.

Now consider the fact that each Y chromosome has been suffering these sorts of mutations for millions of years, ever since we diverged from chickens (I think). Any one object lasting that long is going to be incredibly damaged unless you repair it along the way. All this DNA costs energy to make, so if you're producing a load of useless 'junk DNA', then you're wasting your energy, and evolution tends to kill off individuals who do that. So the Y chromosome shrinks, to the point where it is now nearly useless.

Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Shrinking_theory] has a good overview of this, I've probably got a few things wrong there.

"On the other hand, recent comparisons of the human and chimpanzee Y chromosomes show that the human Y chromosome has not lost any genes since the divergence of humans and chimpanzees between 6?7 million years ago, and only one gene since humans diverged from the rhesus macaque 25 million years ago, providing direct evidence that the linear extrapolation model is flawed." The Y chromosome is not useless now, and hasn't degraded at all since humanity split from apes.

 

[Esotera]

Several people have mentioned that the Y chromosome is 'breaking up' or 'beginning to fail'. What are you people going on about? First I've heard of a specific chromosome going sour worldwide.

An individual can only ever have one copy of a Y chromosome, from their father. That means that if something goes wrong with a gene, the damaged gene can't be repaired from another chromosome, which is what happens in the X chromosome.

Now consider the fact that each Y chromosome has been suffering these sorts of mutations for millions of years, ever since we diverged from chickens (I think). Any one object lasting that long is going to be incredibly damaged unless you repair it along the way. All this DNA costs energy to make, so if you're producing a load of useless 'junk DNA', then you're wasting your energy, and evolution tends to kill off individuals who do that. So the Y chromosome shrinks, to the point where it is now nearly useless.

Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Shrinking_theory] has a good overview of this, I've probably got a few things wrong there.

"On the other hand, recent comparisons of the human and chimpanzee Y chromosomes show that the human Y chromosome has not lost any genes since the divergence of humans and chimpanzees between 6?7 million years ago, and only one gene since humans diverged from the rhesus macaque 25 million years ago, providing direct evidence that the linear extrapolation model is flawed." The Y chromosome is not useless now, and hasn't degraded at all since humanity split from apes.

...but the chromosome has been around a lot longer than since our divergence from apes, and we have undoubtedly lost genes from it. That's arguing more about the rate at which it's shrinking, which is fairly debateable.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Several people have mentioned that the Y chromosome is 'breaking up' or 'beginning to fail'. What are you people going on about? First I've heard of a specific chromosome going sour worldwide.

An individual can only ever have one copy of a Y chromosome, from their father. That means that if something goes wrong with a gene, the damaged gene can't be repaired from another chromosome, which is what happens in the X chromosome.

Now consider the fact that each Y chromosome has been suffering these sorts of mutations for millions of years, ever since we diverged from chickens (I think). Any one object lasting that long is going to be incredibly damaged unless you repair it along the way. All this DNA costs energy to make, so if you're producing a load of useless 'junk DNA', then you're wasting your energy, and evolution tends to kill off individuals who do that. So the Y chromosome shrinks, to the point where it is now nearly useless.

Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Shrinking_theory] has a good overview of this, I've probably got a few things wrong there.

"On the other hand, recent comparisons of the human and chimpanzee Y chromosomes show that the human Y chromosome has not lost any genes since the divergence of humans and chimpanzees between 6?7 million years ago, and only one gene since humans diverged from the rhesus macaque 25 million years ago, providing direct evidence that the linear extrapolation model is flawed." The Y chromosome is not useless now, and hasn't degraded at all since humanity split from apes.

...but the chromosome has been around a lot longer than since our divergence from apes, and we have undoubtedly lost genes from it. That's arguing more about the rate at which it's shrinking, which is fairly debateable.

Well there are two logical conclusions from the data presented
1) The Y Chromosome has been shrinking and will continue to shrink
and
2) The Y chromosome shrank as much as it is going to and will no longer shrink.

What does makes 1 automatically correct?

 

[Snowbell]

Several people have mentioned that the Y chromosome is 'breaking up' or 'beginning to fail'. What are you people going on about? First I've heard of a specific chromosome going sour worldwide.

There only proof is that the Y chromosome has changed since Homo Sapiens first came around, and that in some rodents the Y chromosome has disappeared, how ever it is still here and has been since the dawn of humanity, so there is no evidence to show that it will disappear in humans.[/quote]

A quick Google search brought up similar articles to this from 2008-2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5360172/Men-on-road-to-extinction.html

However, this article's more recent;
http://gizmodo.com/5887610/dont-worry-men-the-y-chromosome-isnt-dying-out

 

[Cpu46]

We can't hold our pee in, as a direct result of us being hardcore standing up pissing machines.

Years of gaming have extended my bladders holding capabilities. Depending on my water intake I can hold it for the better half of a day.

men typically are stronger and have better spatial awareness

The latter of which can be our undoing. You know why, don't you

BOOBS!

Ha! My Asexuality[footnote]Asexuality in the Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Asexual sense. I can not reproduce by myself.[/footnote] almost completely removes this advantage. Almost due to the fact that a full flash would cause me slight pause. However CLEAVAGE IS USELESS

 

[bluepilot]

I replaced my need for men with a step ladder, gameboy, and tap jars to break the seal before opening. On top of this, I have a big heavy book called, "how to kill insects"

Pitiful men, what is your purpose now?

Hmmm, good point. No purpose = no responsibility, which means we are now once and for all, TRULY FREE!

Don't you see, men? Now that women don't need us, we have no obligation to give a shit about our species anymore! WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT! WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!

Finally, now that you have accepted your place women can keep you chained up in a room to be used for sex

(inner man brain:woohoo we still get sex!!!!)

Sh...shut up

 

[Easton Dark]

Women win.

Ladies, would you now please take me to the dungeons to be used as a play thing? :3

 

[godofallu]

The vast majority of people who are trained to use guns and probably even own guns are men.

As such the men have superior weaponry and will win this war.

But women have weaponry too, boobs!

That's more like a good loot drop. All the more reason to farm some kills. /joking

 

[Deathmageddon]

I have an outie and I'm very proud of it, but... Us men are gonna get our asses handed to us when the women charged into battle naked- I don't think the homosexual battalions (because in this kind of war, segregation can be useful) have enough troops to take all of them on.

On the other hand, I can see the women's army descending into chaos due to infighting... If we can resist staring for a while, we might have a shot.

 

[Sectan]

It's honestly interesting/fun and encouraging to see this hasn't turned into a real argument. My ability to pee while standing will give me the advantage during bathroom break ambushes!

 

[Gorrila_thinktank]

Ahem...

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah

I'm sexy and I know it.

 

[Chunga the Great]

Ahem...

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah

I'm sexy and I know it.

You sir! Yes you! you have officially won this thread!

 

[Gorrila_thinktank]

 

[RatRace123]

I had a feeling it would end this way.

And I know what I'm prepared to do. I'm prepared to surrender to our new female overlords right on the spot.

As awesome as our manly abilities are, we shall be no match for the onslaught of women. There's more of them and they can play vicious mindgames with us using the terrible power of their boobs.

It's clear we're beat, so I'm defecting early on to see if I can't be spared. Besides, in the new female regime, there's gotta be someone there to open all of those jars, so I think they'll find a use for me.

 

[RipRoaringWaterfowl]

I'm going to go all Switzerland on this.

Call me when you want a peace treaty. Until then, I'm going to eat chocolate.

MMMMmmmm.....

 

[him over there]

I'm going to go all Switzerland on this.

Call me when you want a peace treaty. Until then, I'm going to eat chocolate.

MMMMmmmm.....

I just went into Chocolardiac Arrest.


Cookie for the reference.

 

[Pegghead]

I'm sorry, I'll have to be a spectator for this.

Jukeboxes don't have genders you see.

 

[somonels]

We already have access to 99% of the world's military equipment. I say we kill any possible defectors first and then proceed with flamethrowers, which easily outmatch their frying pans and porcelain dishes.

I agree that the problem would be some men stashing some women for later use, in which case the fighting shall continue amongst the the purists, the stashers, and the jealous of the stashers.

 

[Gorrila_thinktank]

To the men who think women would win:

Come on mate...Don't be stupid.

When we're talking about a war, we're talking about some shit that men are evolved to do, women not so much. There are things that women may be able to beat men at, (I can't think of any but there should be something), but war is at the top of the list of stuff that we would dominate in. Dominance is part of being a man.

mhhh.... on the one hand your right, but I was just part of gendered game of crainum, and the girls kicked the guys collective asses.

on the other hand:

Ahem...

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah!
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah!
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle yeah!

Do the wiggle yeah.

 

[Dr.Fantastic]

I say Hermanphrodites(Clearly being the underdogs) would win by Hiding in the shadows and wait.
Then the gender that emerges from the GENDER WAR will be tired and weak, thats when they strike.
The 3rd gender will have trained for this moment, and in conserving there strength they will win the GENDER WARS!(Im a man so Im just gonna hide in this cave and prepare to embrace our new Hermanphrodite overlords).