Let's revive the WWII genre

[MrShowerHead]

You want WWII?



There

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[lapan]

No please. I'm tired of military shooters as a genre and we have enough of them yearly as it is.

 

[binvjoh]

I wasn't aware that it ever died.

Post number 1337, boo-yah!

 

[kevinsux909]

Why not one a bit more different,WWII wasn't just soldiers fighting CoD style all the time, why not a Heavy Rain style game from multiple views occasionally broken up with FPS action sequences?

 

[Supernova2000]

It's bad enough that most AAA game developers are chronically uncreative as it is these days without encouraging it by suggesting that we bring back a setting that has already been done to death (and undeath as the case may be with more recent titles). Will we be suggesting a revival of power-armoured-space-marines-versus-evil-aliens when that tired old theme has faded out? I sincerely hope not!

 

[Aeonknight]

Here's one for a twist. How about where you play as a nazi? Can't think of any games off hand that have you playing as the bad guys.

Battlefield has you play both sides, Red Orchestra has you play as a Wehrmacht soldier, in Sniper Elite you play an american (?) special operative that officially works FOR the germans killing soviets (you wear a german uniform and all)...

BUT I dislike playing as a Nazi...I would rather like playing as a german, thank you very much.
YES, there IS a difference, it is significant!

Battlefield doesn't necessarily count... yea you can play as a german soldier but there's really no context to it. You might as well be red team/blue team, it'd make as much sense. No one plays Battlefield games for the solo campaign, maybe 3 will change that.

Red Orchestra... never played it.

Imo, a well developed solo campaign from the POV of a german through things like... the invasion of france, bombing of britain, etc. But also add in personal moral dilemma (since not every Nazi agreed with what was being done, some just followed suit so as to not be persecuted themselves) for character development. Could be pretty good.

You acknowledge that not every german soldier was a Nazi, yet still call them Nazis...
That´s like me calling all north americans "republican"...
A Nazi was a member of the NSDAP or a follower thereoff, a National Socialist, not a german per se, as Hitler was Austrian, and therefore not a Nazi? I doubt it XD

I once made the suggestion to play a full fledged, heiling Nazi, who then gets shipped off to war, and after initial success in Poland and France, then slowly realizes he doesn´t like what is becoming of germany and serriously doubts the actions of his "Führer", and deep in Russia, he makes a complete Heel-Face-Turn, maybe abandons his post, and joins the soviets or whatever, to retake Berlin. Maybe his entire squad joins in and become traitors to the Reich...that would be interresting.

Are you done arguing semantics?

 

[Switchblade1080]

Long story short, OVER FUCKING USED!!

 

[Hristo Tzonkov]

I'm rather interested in seeing more battles all over Europe rather than just Normandy and Stalingrad.It's called a World War it didn't just happen in 2-3 places.There's so many stories to be told and there's a way to stop antagonizing the Nazis and show their perspective.In the expansion of Company of Heroes there were a couple of mini campaigns with a German tank team and another where a young German commander had to hold off some bridges for retreating wounded German soldiers who were going to be slaughtered by Allies.While the whole role in the war for Germany was the antagonist there's individual stories that could depict them less like fiends.

I dunno just a thought.Tired of watching D-day and Stalingrad.

 

[Caliostro]

Really? 8 fucking years of non-stop WWII shooters wasn't enough?

I mean, I'm not against it as an absolute, but only if it's something really special that really needs it. More often than not WWII became a creative wasteland.

 

[Ninjat_126]

Here's one for a twist. How about where you play as a nazi? Can't think of any games off hand that have you playing as the bad guys.

*extended game idea about playing as a Nazi*

I like that idea. Also, people complaining about WWII shooters need to open their minds and wish for something better.

I also liked the idea of a WWI or WWII shooter in which you play a nameless grunt with full on realistic health, physics and maps, possibly even with permadeath as a major option.

Your mission: survive the trenches for as long as possible, and take down as many of those Yankee/Nazi/Russian/British/French/Polish/Australian/Italian m*********ers as you can.

 

[Chechosaurus]

Revive WWII games? lol... No.

 

[Smooth Operator]

I'm sure you want more of it because you were (obviously) so late to the game, but game/film makers have been doing and redoing WW2 since the day it ended.
The sumtotal of "entertainment" material done on WW2 exceeds it's duration by 10x, maybe it's time to stop beating the old mule and get a new one.

 

[LondonBeer]

You want to "capture the feel" of WWII, then suggest World at War? What?

I suggest you try Brothers in Arms some time, you'll never go back to CoD.

Brothers in Arms, although the Hells Highway departed from reality in the last half of the game the feeling of squad combat and instant death is there.

 

[Bob the frantic]

Can we not, please? I swear, if we counted the time used on WWII games put together, it will probably be longer than the ACTUAL WAR!

"dark, gritty, exciting, horrific, and all around amazing" games can still be made without this scenario, okay? Also, you may not know the outcome if it's made up, which can be more exciting, or you can learn about a new things about 'Worst wars ever' before WWII took the cake

 

[Bobbity]

And to think that just a couple of years ago, we were trying to kill it off...

 

[Ramare]

It would take more discreet battles (Italy?) More content, more opportunities, and more interaction. Certainly better graphics(Apparently game developers JUST RECENTLY learned that making everything glossy isn't realistic?) Also, It would require important and prominent ally characters that are persistent until the end, whatever that may be. Basically, it would have to have a lot of RPG, and possibly RTS elements involved, which is typically rare.

Still, I'd like to see the most famous battles done right. I want to see D-day. I want to see Stalingrad. And I want to see them done well, and to stay true to actual battles and events. I'm talking the most realistic and historically accurate WWII game to date. Sure, more discreet battles are okay, but we need to see the big ones done correctly first.

Stalingrad wasn't a battle.
Stalingrad was a siege.
It was a siege that lasted for months, vicious urban fighting and close querters insane melee fights for your life, lines being broken and shifted as houses trade hands every day.
That CAN'T be A SINGLE battle.

No, but that might make a kickass entire game, though.

Think of how you might get attacked at close range, barely pull out a make-shift knife, slice open your enemies' throat, and get blood on your eyes. You'd have to make your character actually wipe the blood off of their eyes, and thus your screen.

 

[Aesir23]

Let's wait a little while before trying to revive the whole WWII thing when it comes to video games. I don't really want to fight the same battles as ANOTHER random American soldier. Though, always playing as an American soldier is likely the reason we always have to play through the same battles in every game. Bring about a game where I can play as an Australian, British, Dutch, [insert Allied Nation of choice here that is not the United States] soldier and I will happily play it. Heck, give me a game where I can play through the entire game as a Canadian soldier and I'll pre-order it and giggle giddily as I do so.

Also, as horrible a marketing ploy as it would be in the Allied nations and in Germany, I wouldn't be adverse to playing a Japanese soldier or a German soldier. Well, as long as certain guidelines are followed with the latter.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

I have no idea how many times I have to say this but: WW2 GAMES FROM THE AXIS POINT OF VIEW! Most WW2 games are the same because stoic and heroic GIs and occasionally the British and Russians save the world from those villianious baby eating Nazis, World at War was a good change from this because it showed what war is really like: no "good" or "bad" guys, just soldiers killing each other, sometimes mercifully, sometimes brutally. A WOW esqe WW2 game from a German soldier's point of view showing the insanely ruthless war on the Eastern Front with a apocapltic finale in the Battle of Berlin would be amazing!

 

[badgersprite]

Um, yeah, can we not?

Like, I guess I don't have anything against it, but I just feel this story has been told enough times that there isn't really anything more to be done. Seriously, there are plenty of other conflicts of the 20th Century we haven't touched upon yet that happened all around the world. Why not start setting FPSs in wars that involve other countries and tell the perspective of these unjustly overlooked conflicts from the perspectives of one or both sides.

Or just invent fictional alternate history conflicts where America and Australia went to war in space. That would be cool.

EDIT: WAIT SCRATCH THAT. I just thought of an awesome WWII game idea. How about a WWII themed game where you play as The Andrews Sisters parachuting in behind the Nazi lines and going on a killing spree, singing their jaunty tunes all the way.

No, really, I'm being serious. That game would kick ass!

 

[Evil Tim]

I'd like to see some other wars done. What about a WW1 shooter? Shit that'd be good. Falklands? Serbian war? How about one of the conflicts in Africa?

I don't think you understand why it's always WW2: it's WW2 because it's easy. You don't have to explain the conflict or why these guys are shooting at those guys, since if the player doesn't know why the Russians were fighting the Germans at Stalingrad or the Americans were fighting the Germans at Normandy you can just shake your head and blame it on the failure of our education system and / or the Youth of Today.

Look at Medal of Honor trying to do the same in Afghanistan: the game barely even explained what was happening and I personally was left with "everyone is trying to climb a mountain for some reason."

WW2 is popular because everything is done for you: you have weapons pre-designed and too old for anyone to claim copyright on the designs or shapes (Glock and H&K have both trademarked the shapes of their weapons recently and more and more gun companies are becoming aware that their names are a bankable asset to games companies), the vehicles, uniforms, locations, backstory and factions are all pre-written and all the major scenarios don't need explaining to the player. A player character in a WW2 game just needs a last name, service and rank for everyone to understand roughly who they are.

Now, compare this to trying to explain precisely what was going on in WW1, or what the fuck is going on in some conflict in Africa (something that can take longer to explain than one of the factions involved actually existed) or precisely why England owns an island off the South American coast in the first place, in the latter case also having fun legal arguments with MBDA and Dassault about whether you can use the names of their products for your bad guy weapons.

Now personally, I'd rather see more games with ridiculously evil Nazis with super-technology. I want more fights against giant ground battleships and transforming zeppelins and super-soldiers with Tesla guns, not all this depressing realism.