if it's not the whip that's a bit crazy (but the running shield tactic seemed to work well, a lot of the time everybody just kept facing the wrong way when they were fighting due to the pressure), ZSS final smash is like snake's final smash but harder to actually escape because the shots linger
kirby getting a charging hammer like dedede doesn't seem to have really helped at all since a) it still has the massive cooldown and b) it's way smaller so that isn't going to cut it, but at least it hits like a truck
anyway, miis, palutena, pacman, g&w????