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Invadergray

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The year is coming to a close and it's time we all stand back, put on our pretentious little spectacles and look at gaming as a whole over the past year. It certainly has been a year of ups and downs with sequels, remakes and... um... L.A. Noire I guess? But let's set aside the fact that the only original idea this year was in interactive movie (which reminds me, Catherine came out too) and instead talk about the big shots. This is a big effing rant so if you came for short blurbs, please find another forum.

Most of the superstar games came out at the end of the year, as is often the case. But what struck me as odd was the games were held in insanely high reverence. Games that not too long ago would've been slapped with a "yeah it's pretty good." Have swept up cult-like fandoms in mere months. Is this a change in gamers, or an increase in quality of games? I surmise that neither is the case. Instead what has happened is the standard of a great game has gone down, most likely due to the excess of bad games. So any stimulating game can easily become a smash hit in this environment. Let's take a look at some examples.

A good one from earlier on in the year is Portal 2. People understandably flipped cars over this game because the original Portal was fantastic and Valve has been known for their solid design. Unfortunately I, and many like me, found it couldn't live up to the name and the hype. It was a good game, but the puzzles were simple, the game held your hand, the story seemed to intentionally not want you to get in it's way. The whole thing was padded and fake, yet it was put on the same pedestal as it's predecessor. Why? Because Valve set it's own bar low. By not releasing anything after a series of amazing core games, any signs of movement in the desperate wide-eyed fanbase is cause for euphoria.

Next example: Modern Warfare 3. Despite scoffers it made more money than... well anything ever. Hell I think we bought Russia for less than what MW3 made, and for what? Modern Warfare 2 with more grit and sand? MW3 did gangbusters because it was known as a reliable FPS series with intense multiplayer and relatively engaging single player. Great? By no means, but this year was the year of the crap FPS. Every developer and their dog wanted in on the big piles of money so they pushed bad shooter after bad shooter into our face causing us to snuggle close to our reliable, if boringly predictable friend Modern Warfare.

Skyward Sword! My friends ran up to me and told me it was the most immersive and brilliant Zelda game since Ocarina of Time (which basically translates to "better than wind waker" since every other one was kind of bland). I love Zelda so I was insanely eager to try it. Turns out "immersive" means "the wii-mote goes the direction you actually point it at." I personally found a lot of flaws in the game like annoying controls, unintuitive world exploration, but what they were doesn't matter. The point is this was a mediocre Zelda game at best and a bad one at worst. Why were Zelda fans slobbering over it? Well brand loyalty mostly. But the argument about the new controls is the focus because finally getting the motion controls to have a point is enough reason to celebrate because the bar for the wii is already on the floor (so change your sensor settings.)

AND FINALLY... THE COUP DE GRACE... SKYRIM!!!!! Here's the thing about Skyrim. It was released at just the right time. Wrapping up a year with no good fantasy rpgs (yes Dragon Age II sucked get over it), delving into year of the brown shooter, and there are just soooooo many bad games out. Then comes a colorful and engaging rpg with dragons, wenches, and all the hacky slashy fun you've been starved of. Thus starts a phenomenon that will sweep the internet and the world into a love-smitten stupor for months on end. Every day since Skyrim came out I have come onto this website and there has never not been at least one skyrim thread on the "recently activity" bar.

Skyrim is a bit trickier because it is actually a good game. I call it "Oblivion done right." However, once you get all the new awesomeness out of your face, and hold it to the standards of games you've played in the past, it's not quite as good. I've played Diablo through at least 5 times. I can't even handle playing Skyrim through twice. The story is too loose, your actions have essentially no lasting consequences, and you become powerful enough to one shot every enemy by the time you're level 14. It's unbalanced, glitchy, and repetitive. But we didn't care about any of that, at least I certainly didn't because our standards from the whole year had taught us that at least if we're having fun, we can forgive a lot.

That's basically what this all comes down to. Last year is a little bit to blame too but this was the year where so much trash came out that we took what we could get and worshiped them as gods even though what we were getting at best was a fat pope who occasionally told a funny joke. The standard used to be "most games are ok, some are good, a few are great." Now the standard seems to be "most games are bad, but the second coming of christ may pop up every now and then." K I'm finished. Sorry I wasted your Christmas here.
 

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AND FINALLY... THE COUP DE GRACE... SKYRIM!!!!! Here's the thing about Skyrim. It was released at just the right time. Wrapping up a year with no good fantasy rpgs (yes Dragon Age II sucked get over it), delving into year of the brown shooter, and there are just soooooo many bad games out. Then comes a colorful and engaging rpg with dragons, wenches, and all the hacky slashy fun you've been starved of. Thus starts a phenomenon that will sweep the internet and the world into a love-smitten stupor for months on end. Every day since Skyrim came out I have come onto this website and there has never not been at least one skyrim thread on the "recently activity" bar.

Skyrim is a bit trickier because it is actually a good game. I call it "Oblivion done right." However, once you get all the new awesomeness out of your face, and hold it to the standards of games you've played in the past, it's not quite as good. I've played Diablo through at least 5 times. I can't even handle playing Skyrim through twice. The story is too loose, your actions have essentially no lasting consequences, and you become powerful enough to one shot every enemy by the time you're level 14. It's unbalanced, glitchy, and repetitive. But we didn't care about any of that, at least I certainly didn't because our standards from the whole year had taught us that at least if we're having fun, we can forgive a lot.
I'm glad someone else feels this way! I can't believe such hype created by the game. A month of hindsight reveals that it was really nothing special, which just shows how good Bethesda are at making their games look just like what gamers want and will buy, while having little substance which is only discovered after a substantial time with the game.
 

Jandau

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Yeah, Skyrim gets boring and repetitive once you get past all the shiny new stuff, but I also found that it took me 50+ hours to get past the shiny stuff. So it's still good value. However, I think Fallout 3 was better. Bethesda is moving gradually forward and i'm eager to see what they do next (I mean, after all the DLC they need to make for Skyrim). But I do agree that it's been a crap year for fantasy RPGs and RPGs in general (Dragon Age 2 was decidedly mediocre. Not bad, just mediocre). Thank god, at least the new Deus Ex didn't suck. And I hear TOR isn't half bad (if the MMO part doesn't bother you).

As for Portal 2, it was easier than the first game, that much is true. But also had more story and was longer. All in all, I wasn't disappointed in it as a whole game, but I wouldn't have minded if the puzzle parts were a bit harder, or at least a bit more "loose". In Portal 1 there were tons of ways to screw the puzzles and get past them. P2 enforces the one right answer to a much greater degree, at least so it seemed to me.

In general, it's been a bit of "Meh" year for me, especially the second half. Not terrible, but the big releases are either not on my platform (PC) or of no interest to me (I can't repeatedly ejaculate over military FPS games). It doesn't help that some of the games I was looking forward to I had to end up skipping (namely Heroes of Might and Magic 6 and Anno 2070) because I refuse to support Ubisofts shitty DRM.

The next year is looking nice, though. Mass Effect 3, The Old Republic (I'm counting it as a 2012 game), new King Arthur, Diablo 3, Torchlight 2, etc.
 

ChupathingyX

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Well I didn't play play Portal 2.

Survival mode and custom gun games are great fun to play with friends in MW3.

Didn't play Skyward Sword.



Invadergray said:
Then comes a colorful and engaging rpg with dragons, wenches, and all the hacky slashy fun you've been starved of.
Dragons?

I'll go play a Spyro game.

Wenches?

I'll go on the internet.

Hack and slash?

I'll go play a Dynasty Warriors game.

As for this year containing lots of trash...not for me, I liked all of my purchases.
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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Did you just call Catherine an interactive movie? I'd actually play a game before talking about it next time. If you didn't, ignore this.
 

Blood Brain Barrier

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
AND FINALLY... THE COUP DE GRACE... SKYRIM!!!!! Here's the thing about Skyrim. It was released at just the right time. Wrapping up a year with no good fantasy rpgs (yes Dragon Age II sucked get over it), delving into year of the brown shooter, and there are just soooooo many bad games out. Then comes a colorful and engaging rpg with dragons, wenches, and all the hacky slashy fun you've been starved of. Thus starts a phenomenon that will sweep the internet and the world into a love-smitten stupor for months on end. Every day since Skyrim came out I have come onto this website and there has never not been at least one skyrim thread on the "recently activity" bar.

Skyrim is a bit trickier because it is actually a good game. I call it "Oblivion done right." However, once you get all the new awesomeness out of your face, and hold it to the standards of games you've played in the past, it's not quite as good. I've played Diablo through at least 5 times. I can't even handle playing Skyrim through twice. The story is too loose, your actions have essentially no lasting consequences, and you become powerful enough to one shot every enemy by the time you're level 14. It's unbalanced, glitchy, and repetitive. But we didn't care about any of that, at least I certainly didn't because our standards from the whole year had taught us that at least if we're having fun, we can forgive a lot.
I'm glad someone else feels this way! I can't believe such hype created by the game. A month of hindsight reveals that it was really nothing special, which just shows how good Bethesda are at making their games look just like what gamers want and will buy, while having little substance which is only discovered after a substantial time with the game.
I am so sick of hearing this. Dont get me wrong, Skyrim is repetitive as can be and it has a lot of major problems. But for fucks sake, every single time Bethesda make a game, people buy it, eat it up, play it for 200 hours and THEN turn around and say "Its not that good really." *****, you just spent 200 hours playing it! If its not that good, what the fuck was that about? If a game is good enough to hold your attention for 200 hours, its outstanding, end of fucking story.

What are you talking about? What does time spent playing a game have to do with anything? If I play a game which everyone is calling "outstanding", and that game requires me to play for 200 hours to get through the bulk of the game, then whether or not I do play those 200 hours depends not on how good it is but how much I am into games in general to put that much effort into discovering a good game. If I play tetris for only 20 minutes, does that mean it sucks? There are plenty of short games out there which are great and long games which suck. I wouldn't play a game like Limbo - one of the best games of 2011 - for longer than the main quest, which is only a few hours. That doesn't mean it's not a good game.
 

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Everyone gets their own opinion, I honestly enjoy Skyrim and every game I've played this year (though I've not played another on your list).

But, you think, this could mean I've lowered my standards. Nope, I only have 2 things I ask of a video game, it's fun and it's playable. Whilst Bethesda have a problem with the later for me, it could be worse, it's no Empire: Total War *suppresses rage*
 

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"Wrapping up a year with no good fantasy rpgs (yes Dragon Age II sucked get over it)"

I think a certain Witcher might have a word or two to say about that. Or a (non-innuendo-y) sword to stick up your arse.
 

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I've not played MW:3 or Skyward Sword so I won't comment on them, but Portal 2 and Skyrim I did play.

Portal 2: Fantastic. Wittier,funnier, Steven Merchantier (Oh those soothing West Country tones) and I actually preferred the puzzles. I found them about as difficult with plenty of fancy gimmicks to keep me interested. Fuck, the game even moved me to tears at one point, though I suspect that wasn't the intended effect of the scene.

Skyrim: Firstly, this game is fucking gorgeous. And I'm the person who went "meh" at Crysis 2. I've played this game for hundreds of hours and enjoyed every second, I can hardly accuse it off sucking.

Oh opinions, why you so subjective?
 

BreakfastMan

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So... The fact that people have different opinions doesn't mean a damn to you, I guess? I don't really have much more to say. You don't find many games you love as you used to, and you don't understand why people love/like games you don't, so you surmise that everyone's standards have lowered, instead of considering the possibility that people have different opinions/likes than yours. That is all I see here, and their really isn't anything much more to discuss.
 

Crazedc00k

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I agree entirely. Well, except for Skyrim, which was a ridiculous masterpiece. The "lowered standard" might be a little bit of a rushed judgement; I don't think there was ever a time when the only games getting props were undeniably great on every level, and hype was absent from the quality evaluation process. Does it seem like the industry may be going down hill because of shooter syndrome and sequelitis? Perhaps, but remember that every medium has its fair share of tarnish throughout its existence. The problems of games today aren't the worst they've ever been, they're just the most notable and frightening because they are happening now, and as such are yet to be resolved.

Also. Skyrim was all that.
 

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MW3 was a good game. I just finished the campaign about an hour ago, have yet to take it online. It really tied up the loose ends that you were left with in MW2, but I'm also the only person on here who actually pays attention to the story in CoD titles, so take that for what it's worth.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Did you just call Catherine an interactive movie? I'd actually play a game before talking about it next time. If you didn't, ignore this.
I was guessing he meant Heavy Rain and if that was the case, then he would be wrong as HR devs seem to hide Indigo prophecy as being closer to the true air.
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
AND FINALLY... THE COUP DE GRACE... SKYRIM!!!!! Here's the thing about Skyrim. It was released at just the right time. Wrapping up a year with no good fantasy rpgs (yes Dragon Age II sucked get over it), delving into year of the brown shooter, and there are just soooooo many bad games out. Then comes a colorful and engaging rpg with dragons, wenches, and all the hacky slashy fun you've been starved of. Thus starts a phenomenon that will sweep the internet and the world into a love-smitten stupor for months on end. Every day since Skyrim came out I have come onto this website and there has never not been at least one skyrim thread on the "recently activity" bar.

Skyrim is a bit trickier because it is actually a good game. I call it "Oblivion done right." However, once you get all the new awesomeness out of your face, and hold it to the standards of games you've played in the past, it's not quite as good. I've played Diablo through at least 5 times. I can't even handle playing Skyrim through twice. The story is too loose, your actions have essentially no lasting consequences, and you become powerful enough to one shot every enemy by the time you're level 14. It's unbalanced, glitchy, and repetitive. But we didn't care about any of that, at least I certainly didn't because our standards from the whole year had taught us that at least if we're having fun, we can forgive a lot.
I'm glad someone else feels this way! I can't believe such hype created by the game. A month of hindsight reveals that it was really nothing special, which just shows how good Bethesda are at making their games look just like what gamers want and will buy, while having little substance which is only discovered after a substantial time with the game.
I am so sick of hearing this. Dont get me wrong, Skyrim is repetitive as can be and it has a lot of major problems. But for fucks sake, every single time Bethesda make a game, people buy it, eat it up, play it for 200 hours and THEN turn around and say "Its not that good really." *****, you just spent 200 hours playing it! If its not that good, what the fuck was that about? If a game is good enough to hold your attention for 200 hours, its outstanding, end of fucking story.

What are you talking about? What does time spent playing a game have to do with anything? If I play a game which everyone is calling "outstanding", and that game requires me to play for 200 hours to get through the bulk of the game, then whether or not I do play those 200 hours depends not on how good it is but how much I am into games in general to put that much effort into discovering a good game. If I play tetris for only 20 minutes, does that mean it sucks? There are plenty of short games out there which are great and long games which suck. I wouldn't play a game like Limbo - one of the best games of 2011 - for longer than the main quest, which is only a few hours. That doesn't mean it's not a good game.
Well if you arent enjoying it you can stop after a few hours you know. If people are playing for 200+ hours then they are obviously enjoying it enough to sink that much time into it

also this

BreakfastMan said:
So... The fact that people have different opinions doesn't mean a damn to you, I guess? I don't really have much more to say. You don't find many games you love as you used to, and you don't understand why people love/like games you don't, so you surmise that everyone's standards have lowered, instead of considering the possibility that people have different opinions/likes than yours. That is all I see here, and their really isn't anything much more to discuss.
Thats pretty much all that needs to be said
 

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This is nothing new, it happens at the end of every console generation. Here's the pattern:

1. New console launches.
2. Game X feels "truly next-gen" and gamers rave over it.
3. Years go by, game X is viewed as a classic.
4. Sequel to game X is announced, anticipation much higher than it was for game X itself.
5. Sequel is released to perfect reviews and huge sales. Improves on game X in every objective way. Gamers enjoy it, but they have the nagging feeling that it's just the same game X in a fresh coat of paint.

This could be Oblivion and Skyrim, but it could just as easily be Goldeneye 007 and Perfect Dark. It's part of the console cycle!
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
220 hours... It is a parasite that leeches away at my very soul and it deserves to burn like the PoS it is. Let me get a few more hours right quick then we can kill it, maybe after I make a new character, maybe two.

I wish I got 200+ plus hours from all my damn games. Even all the CoD games put together only added up to around 100 hours.

The only game I can think of that was actually a step in the wrong direction was FF13 and it was still a good game even though I couldn't make it past the ten hour mark.

Mr. In-between said:
MW3 was a good game. I just finished the campaign about an hour ago, have yet to take it online. It really tied up the loose ends that you were left with in MW2, but I'm also the only person on here who actually pays attention to the story in CoD titles, so take that for what it's worth.
I paid attention to the story too and I don't see how people say it makes no sense. It all ties together very well as long as you pay attention. It may just piss them off that it was essentially a 1980's action movie. Which was at least twelve and a half levels of awesome.
 

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Skyrim is an interesting beast. i was sooooo excited for it, finally got it and i couldn't be happier. i then sunk over 100 hours in over the next 2 weeks.

then i completely stopped playing, honestly haven't even turned it on in almost 3 weeks....

...and i don't know why. the spark is gone, i guess.


its funny, i saw perhaps a third of what Skyrim had to offer in 100 hours, and have totally lost interest. but i have spent 600 hours playing Shogun 2 since March. and im still excited about playing it. i WILL finish a legendary campaign...oh yes.


Also, Dark Souls. now THIS is a game that makes me feel like a big man. in retrospect, i think i must i agree with my most hated meme....but now i see the truth of it :)

WINNER - DARK SOULS
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
What are you talking about? What does time spent playing a game have to do with anything? If I play a game which everyone is calling "outstanding", and that game requires me to play for 200 hours to get through the bulk of the game, then whether or not I do play those 200 hours depends not on how good it is but how much I am into games in general to put that much effort into discovering a good game. If I play tetris for only 20 minutes, does that mean it sucks? There are plenty of short games out there which are great and long games which suck. I wouldn't play a game like Limbo - one of the best games of 2011 - for longer than the main quest, which is only a few hours. That doesn't mean it's not a good game.
I think you missed the point a little bit. I'm sorry, but if a game manages to entertain you for a substantial amount of time then you look back on it AFTER the time you've spent playing it and generally being entertained (and don't tell me you'd continue playing after three hours at most if you didn't enjoy it, that's all I gave DNF before giving up to do something more fun) than hasn't it succeeded?

Hell, by your logic I can literally look at every game I own and say its crap because "all i'm really doing is x by doing x, its not really that good".
 

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Woodsey said:
"Wrapping up a year with no good fantasy rpgs (yes Dragon Age II sucked get over it)"

I think a certain Witcher might have a word or two to say about that. Or a (non-innuendo-y) sword to stick up your arse.
no sheath no love sir.

all i gotta say really is i was expecting a little more then some one bitching about games they didn't really like
 

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Oh, look. A cynic who hates it when other people enjoy what he doesn't. That's a new concept to the internet. It really must suck to be someone who can't allow himself to enjoy anything.
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Did you just call Catherine an interactive movie? I'd actually play a game before talking about it next time. If you didn't, ignore this.
Yeah, it's weird how often a game with some of the most challenging gameplay of the year gets criticized for "being a movie".

And Portal 2? I think it blows the original away. By a lot.