Yes. But they are regulators who enforce the law. Almost all government agencies are a form of "law enforcement"xeed said:The FDA and DoA are law enforcement agencies...Yeh, who needs the FDA! Or the DoA! The feds shouldn't be regulating what goes into my body!
So we would be a set of city states who get to decide what we wish to contribute? Because that's what I'm reading here mate. And that sounds crazy. You are not just comparing apple to chickens, you are comparing handguns to antimater.xeed said:Why do you think it would be any different? It would operate under direct democracy on a regional scale (eg, the "blueprint" of society being completely open to individual contribution)Shock and Awe said:xeed said:Which is why the only system that would work with the least amount of corruption and abuse is a lack of a system.Atmos Duality said:Hmm. It is dubious, but at the same time hacker groups get into one-upsmanship contests quite frequently. Attacking a publicly "successful" group like Lulzsec and exposing them as script kiddies is just business as usual (only, more public).ultrachicken said:I highly doubt this is legitimate.
A pragmatic black ops security agency hides its activity from the public?xeed said:I think you misunderstand what I mean when I say the CIA is against us. They aren't directly attacking Americans (unless they have legitimate reason to think they're a terrorist threat), but the operations they conduct I can say with 100% certainty include misinformation and false flags to keep Americans in check and to keep those in power above popular hatred.
I don't care if people lose jobs. That's good. The more the system collapses the more people will realize the system is absolute garbage.
STOP THE PRESSES!
And Pray-tell what system WOULD work? All human organizations are susceptible to corruption, and is in fact, expected. Even if we revolted and started a new government tomorrow, corruption would reform along with the new order established. It's human nature, and it cannot be prevented; only treated.
If you think that wouldn't work I'll direct you to open source projects, which often work brilliantly.
(Got to use this twice in a day!)
Seriously, comparing an anarchistic state covering an entire country to an open source project is as ridiculous as comparing apples to chickens. Its both silly, and kind of funny.
Also, anarchy is the purest form of tyranny. The few enjoy their so-called "freedom" while the rest huddle in corners in fear.CM156 said:Yeh, who needs the FDA! Or the DoA! The feds shouldn't be regulating what goes into my body!xeed said:No, not a system of "government", a system that operates WITHOUT a government that operates with direct democracy and regional cooperation. Law enforcement, military and intelligence agencies would be the only exceptions. Literally every other government agency is a pile of unneeded garbage.CM156 said:Wait, are you saying that open source projects are something to base a system of government and economics around? Really?xeed said:Which is why the only system that would work with the least amount of corruption and abuse is a lack of a system.Atmos Duality said:Hmm. It is dubious, but at the same time hacker groups get into one-upsmanship contests quite frequently. Attacking a publicly "successful" group like Lulzsec and exposing them as script kiddies is just business as usual (only, more public).ultrachicken said:I highly doubt this is legitimate.
A pragmatic black ops security agency hides its activity from the public?xeed said:I think you misunderstand what I mean when I say the CIA is against us. They aren't directly attacking Americans (unless they have legitimate reason to think they're a terrorist threat), but the operations they conduct I can say with 100% certainty include misinformation and false flags to keep Americans in check and to keep those in power above popular hatred.
I don't care if people lose jobs. That's good. The more the system collapses the more people will realize the system is absolute garbage.
STOP THE PRESSES!
And Pray-tell what system WOULD work? All human organizations are susceptible to corruption, and is in fact, expected. Even if we revolted and started a new government tomorrow, corruption would reform along with the new order established. It's human nature, and it cannot be prevented; only treated.
If you think that wouldn't work I'll direct you to open source projects, which often work brilliantly.
OT: Again, eff these hackers. Take down LulzSec
Also, you say that military and intelligence agencies would be exempt. Didn't you say
before?What's wrong with you fucking idiots? Are you so butthurt by a few anons ddosing the escapist that you honestly think Lulzsec's targets don't have every bit of what they get coming to them?
Oh god, those poor companies losing millions (while still netting billions in profit)! That poor CIA, which keeps secrets for a REASON! The government is our best friend guys, the CIA would never plot against us!
You all need to have a serious reality check
I'm no fan of government, but we need it to exist. Unless you are an anarchist.
well, you missed the most important part. the proverb goes : "for the LOVE of money is the ROOT of all kinds of evil" (emphasis added). point being that profit in and of itself isn't evil.xeed said:Also corporations are driven 100% by profit, and money is evil; therefore corporations are evil.
And tell me, if society was fully privatized, you don't believe functions necessary to our health like that would be carried out by someone?Yes. But they are regulators who enforce the law. Almost all government agencies are a form of "law enforcement"
How is that crazy? If some bad decision is made society will not collapse. The mistake will be seen, told and rectified.So we would be a set of city states who get to decide what we wish to contribute? Because that's what I'm reading here mate. And that sounds crazy. You are not just comparing apple to chickens, you are comparing handguns to antimater.
No they wouldn't, the ones that are most popular would be adopted. If that was how we did it, women wouldn't be allowed to vote, gays couldn't get married anywhere, we would still have segregation, ect. The best way a government can function for the good of everyone is if it is a republican model with a constitution of some sort to keep some things from changing easily.xeed said:Mob rule is only bad if it can wield its power on a large, military scale. There would be experimentation, and the societal functions that work best would be adopted by most.
I contend that the very fact that we still have people starving and dying of thirst is proof that profit, or a system that holds profit as the most important thing to society, is evil.aashell13 said:well, you missed the most important part. the proverb goes : "for the LOVE of money is the ROOT of all kinds of evil" (emphasis added). point being that profit in and of itself isn't evil.xeed said:Also corporations are driven 100% by profit, and money is evil; therefore corporations are evil.
J4RD said:Finally. I hope Anon joins in on this. Moral of this story: just because you can, doesn't mean it's funny.
If that was how we did it with an uneducated populace, that's what would happen.Shock and Awe said:No they wouldn't, the ones that are most popular would be adopted. If that was how we did it, women wouldn't be allowed to vote, gays couldn't get married anywhere, we would still have segregation, ect. The best way a government can function for the good of everyone is if it is a republican model with a constitution of some sort to keep some things from changing easily.xeed said:Mob rule is only bad if it can wield its power on a large, military scale. There would be experimentation, and the societal functions that work best would be adopted by most.
You win the internets, sir. I have officially nostalgia'd all over my screen.Dr. wonderful said:Prepare for trouble
Make it double!
To protect the consumer from infestation
To unite the internet in our devastation
To denounce the evils of boat and lulz
To extend our reach far above!
TriCK
iNSaNe
Team poison is here to attack so, Lulzsec prepared to get hack.
I'm done for the day