LulzSec launches Operation Anti-Security.

[TheDarkestDerp]

While I'm all for personal freedom and the expression of said freedom, this isn't going to go anywhere good, nor did it start there.

Big evil government didn't hijack my identity and try and steal a few grand. Big evil corporations didn't hack my PSN and make public my personal info. It was hackers, like these.

My net experience has never felt confined or corrupt, it's what I want when I want. What constraints are being dealt with here that have ever caused me harm? None as far as I've ever experienced. Lashing out at "the system" to get a response with no direction besides making "the system" paranoid and angry is not noble, it's not some manner of "just war" against oppression. It's simply lashing out against what is views as authority and in the end only innocents will suffer for it. At best, they hack this, they hack that, and my net experience ends up more secure... maybe... DEFineity more constrained, limited and expensive.

You want to start problems with authority, knock yourselves out, have a ball, but please, no delusions of nobility or grace.

 

[MrGalactus]

Wait, what? They're hacktivists now? The videos that Anon released recently were a publication for their plans for a social revolution, this just looks like words thrown together as an excuse for hacking some shit. They are totally unclear on who they're referring to or what their plans are.

 

[etherlance]

What a pack of retards......why would anyone side with them?.....the guys who just for the hell of it attacked sony and microsoft, The play station network and apparently, Xbox live as well.

And what good would come from this anyway?

Do they expect the governments of the world to throw their hands in the air and scream out "We surrender to you oh mighty masters of the internet"?


Up till now they haven't been targeted by any one government because they have done minor things.

However now that they have publicly declared a fucking WAR on government secrects from every and any country, you can bet that pretty soon they will find officers kicking down their doors and arresting them when they get some of their own tech experts to trace the attacks back to the ones responsible for them.


Congradulations Luzsec, you just signed your own death warrant.......and as for you annonymous, frankly I expected more from you but If you actually side with these pricks then your no better than them.

Oh who am I kidding I hope both of these groups get burned to the ground.

It wasn't the big bad governments that brought down the PSN
It wasn't the evil governments that attacked Xbox live and made my details into a public display.

And it wasn't the no good, down right vicious governments that made a lot of good people afraid of using the internet for fear that they will be targeted.


That was YOU LUZSEC and it was YOU ANONYMOUS SCREW BOTH OF YOU SANCTIMONIOUS SELF RIGHTEOUS BASTARDS. Your not doing this for us, your doing it because you can and it makes you feel important when in truth your just plain pathetic.

 

[gyroscopeboy]

Apparently Lulzsec has already been doxed, or for those of you outside of the 4chan loop, they have been identified. Screen names, accounts on various sites (just names, no passwords), and pictures have been posted. Whether or not it's actually them remains to be seen.

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com

If they have their leader's address why isn't the FBI or kicking down some doors?

The FBI (like any government department) needs some form of proof, otherwise they will alert the hackers to nuke their drives or the like.

They probably want to spring them in the act so they have something that will stick (only real way to go with good hackers i'd imagine).

arresting them means nothing if their out again in a month.

But still, they'll be out in a month..sans their ass-cherry. Its semi worth it!

 

[bunji]

Wow this forum is full of a bunch of crybabies. Do you think that the government is just going to let the internet continue on like this forever? Australia is allready trying to regulate it in an alarming way, the only thing thats stopping them is them being terrible at teh netz.

All power to lulzec, while i think that the morality of the issue might be in a grey zone, anyone from the private sector that can literally whop the governments ass is someone to be respected. Dont think for a moment that just because they are "the government" they are automagically the good guys.

 

[The Funslinger]

From that post I got "we are a bunch of idiotic tools who have no intelligent idea what we're talking about. To cover this up, here are some buzz words like "censor, and corporate". We are also using pirate metaphors to make ourselves sound cool and rebellious. (Yes, we have been watching too much Pirates of the Caribbean.)

I'm not saying this because I hate their "organization", it's because I've never heard them make an attempt at justification that was actually valid, as opposed to a bunch of conjecture and generalizations.

They've already taken shots at xbox live, etc. We're all just going to get caught in the crossfire of what amounts to drunken mentally challenged people with chain-guns.

good, good. i wish them the best of luck, and anyone who joins in and gets caught has my deepest sympathies. I wish there was something i could do to help, but i'm simply not a hacker by any stretch of the word.

Wait - you support the people who might bring the end of the internet as we know it and then lead into a new internet with HEAVY restrictions?

Yep, there's no way this can benefit us. I imagine gullible people are getting swept away with the excitement and buzzwords.

 

[Drakulea]

Wow this forum is full of a bunch of crybabies. Do you think that the government is just going to let the internet continue on like this forever? Australia is allready trying to regulate it in an alarming way, the only thing thats stopping them is them being terrible at teh netz.

All power to lulzec, while i think that the morality of the issue might be in a grey zone, anyone from the private sector that can literally whop the governments ass is someone to be respected. Dont think for a moment that just because they are "the government" they are automagically the good guys.

Last time I checked it's not "the government" that compromises personal data of thousands ordinary people and makes it public on a regular basis and denies internet services at random.

So what's all that good about lulzsec anyway? I suppose you think riding in a pickup truck and batting home-runs with neighbourhood mailboxes like a hillbilly is to be respected as well, right? Since it obviously "makes a statement" about the security of mailboxes...

Troll.

 

[Mr Companion]

I still have problems taking a group seriously that call themselves LulzSec.

Thats probarbly because they don't want to be taken seriously.

 

[etherlance]

Wow this forum is full of a bunch of crybabies. Do you think that the government is just going to let the internet continue on like this forever? Australia is allready trying to regulate it in an alarming way, the only thing thats stopping them is them being terrible at teh netz.

All power to lulzec, while i think that the morality of the issue might be in a grey zone, anyone from the private sector that can literally whop the governments ass is someone to be respected. Dont think for a moment that just because they are "the government" they are automagically the good guys.

Riiight, because the guys that hack the PSN and xbox live ARE the goodguys right?

Last time I checked it wasn't the government that hacked our accounts and released our details to the public, but your right, being angry at the hackers and the the hacker groups responsible for these attacks just makes us a bunch of crybabies right?

 

[Drakulea]

It wasn't the big bad governments that brought down the PSN
It wasn't the evil governments that attacked Xbox live and made my details into a public display.

And it wasn't the no good, down right vicious governments that made a lot of good people afraid of using the internet for fear that they will be targeted.


That was YOU LUZSEC and it was YOU ANONYMOUS SCREW BOTH OF YOU SANCTIMONIOUS SELF RIGHTEOUS BASTARDS. Your not doing this for us, your doing it because you can and it makes you feel important when in truth your just plain pathetic.

Two words : Plus. One. . Well put sir,well put.

EDIT : LulzSec reminds of muslim terrorists.

Muslim terrorists rave against the "Evil West". And they might even make a few good points. But what do they actually do? Kill muslims! Their own! Besides 9/11 there have been 2 attacks on the West : The Madrid and London bombings. That's it, there have been hundreds of other terrorist bombings in muslim countries that killed tens of thousands of muslims, their own people, the one they supposedly fight for.

Muslim terrorists kill their own brother in religion just as well as any godless infidel would.

Same with LulzSec, they claim to fight against the evil governments for the acts perpetrated against the common "Interneter", but who do their attacks actually hit??

Us, the "civilians". And yet somehow the governments, that have done NOTHING of the sort of crap LulzSec does to us are to blame?

 

[Actual]

Wow this forum is full of a bunch of crybabies. Do you think that the government is just going to let the internet continue on like this forever? Australia is allready trying to regulate it in an alarming way, the only thing thats stopping them is them being terrible at teh netz.

All power to lulzec, while i think that the morality of the issue might be in a grey zone, anyone from the private sector that can literally whop the governments ass is someone to be respected. Dont think for a moment that just because they are "the government" they are automagically the good guys.

Agreed. This is a new age, the government and the corporate interests they serve need to realise they cannot control the internet. It is a free right for every human.

All power to the collective.

 

[etherlance]

It wasn't the big bad governments that brought down the PSN
It wasn't the evil governments that attacked Xbox live and made my details into a public display.

And it wasn't the no good, down right vicious governments that made a lot of good people afraid of using the internet for fear that they will be targeted.


That was YOU LUZSEC and it was YOU ANONYMOUS SCREW BOTH OF YOU SANCTIMONIOUS SELF RIGHTEOUS BASTARDS. Your not doing this for us, your doing it because you can and it makes you feel important when in truth your just plain pathetic.

Two words : Plus. One. . Well put sir,well put.

I don't pretend to know who is right and who is wrong, who are the good guys and who are the bad.


All I know is that it was These guys that have made the internet a worse place to be.
I have yet to see the governments do something wrong, thought I don't yet have a full and valid opinion on what they plan to do to regulate the internet......though I doubt it includes making our account details a public spectacle.


For now I will simple tip my hat to you sir and ride off into the sunset.

 

[DazBurger]

They may hack me, hurt me or ridicule me, but they wont gain my respect before they make a new Stuxnet... A piece of malware that involved at least 30 programmers and 2 million dollars worth of Windows zero-days and had the potential to take out every damn nuclear power-plant in the world...

 

[Drakulea]

Wow this forum is full of a bunch of crybabies. Do you think that the government is just going to let the internet continue on like this forever? Australia is allready trying to regulate it in an alarming way, the only thing thats stopping them is them being terrible at teh netz.

All power to lulzec, while i think that the morality of the issue might be in a grey zone, anyone from the private sector that can literally whop the governments ass is someone to be respected. Dont think for a moment that just because they are "the government" they are automagically the good guys.

Agreed. This is a new age, the government and the corporate interests they serve need to realise they cannot control the internet. It is a free right for every human.

All power to the collective.

Free to break in? Free to vandalize?

LulzSec did something no government or corporation has, make public personal data.So who is the bad guy here?

How would you like it to have all your personal data exposed and ready to be exploited in any and all manners of theft of any kind possible? You'd enjoy that wouldn't you? In fact,why don't you post all your emails,account names and passwords for everybody to see, since you enjoy that so much.

In fact,how about I ring up your buddies LulzSec and ask them nicely to expose every bit of your Internet identity, would that make you feel good?

 

[Actual]

Wow this forum is full of a bunch of crybabies. Do you think that the government is just going to let the internet continue on like this forever? Australia is allready trying to regulate it in an alarming way, the only thing thats stopping them is them being terrible at teh netz.

All power to lulzec, while i think that the morality of the issue might be in a grey zone, anyone from the private sector that can literally whop the governments ass is someone to be respected. Dont think for a moment that just because they are "the government" they are automagically the good guys.

Agreed. This is a new age, the government and the corporate interests they serve need to realise they cannot control the internet. It is a free right for every human.

All power to the collective.

Free to break in? Free to vandalize?

LulzSec did something no government or corporation has, make public personal data.So who is the bad guy here?

How would you like it to have all your personal data exposed and ready to be exploited in any and all manners of theft of any kind possible? You'd enjoy that wouldn't you? In fact,why don't you post all your emails,account names and passwords for everybody to see, since you enjoy that so much.

In fact,how about I ring up your buddies LulzSec and ask them nicely to expose every bit of your Internet identity, would that make you feel good?

Well it would make me laugh.

Why the raging? The PSN leak was the only one I got caught in (which wasn't Anon as we know them or Lulzsec) they got my login details and credit card number. I care not, it didn't hurt me.

These guys have had valuable information they could have made a small fortune with and what have they done with it? They've said "hey everyone, look what we've done!" They've not rinsed anyone's bank account. They've just tried to hold corporations to a higher standard and keep the government out of the internet. And they've tried to have a laugh doing it.

Too many people are saying this shouldn't happen as it will only make the governments of the world squeeze down on the internet harder.

That to me is just saying don't fight back it will only get worse. That's not true, it will get worse if we do nothing. It will only get better if people let their governments know that the internet doesn't belong to them.

 

[Drakulea]

Well it would make me laugh.

Why the raging? The PSN leak was the only one I got caught in (which wasn't Anon as we know them or Lulzsec) they got my login details and credit card number. I care not, it didn't hurt me.

These guys have had valuable information they could have made a small fortune with and what have they done with it? They've said "hey everyone, look what we've done!" They've not rinsed anyone's bank account. They've just tried to hold corporations to a higher standard and keep the government out of the internet. And they've tried to have a laugh doing it.

Too many people are saying this shouldn't happen as it will only make the governments of the world squeeze down on the internet harder.

That to me is just saying don't fight back it will only get worse. That's not true, it will get worse if we do nothing. It will only get better if people let their governments know that the internet doesn't belong to them.

So simply because there were no consequences during the PSN leak, you are not concerned. Neither are you concerned for the people that HAVE suffered. Wow, such caution and empathy just fills me with hope for the future of humanity... NOT!

Your douchebag attitude aside, I was not talking about the PSN incident, but the actions of LulzSec to which Anon has publicly acquiesced.

The fact that they didn't choose to exploit the breaches fully is like saying a hoodlum isn't a hoodlum because he only punched you in the face as opposed to also slitting your throat. Wow, I am so grateful. Indeed that puts LulzSec in a different league... NOT!

As for holding corporations to a higher standard... last time I checked, governments or corporations neither carried out nor could they get away with the things LulzSec did, so what standards are we talking about?

Furthermore, LulzSec hit random people , made public information or ordinary individuals that did nothing to anyone. So where's LulzSec's standards?

LulzSec didn't do a Wikileaks-like dump of private information about cover-ups and corruption, things that are of public interest. They targeted ordinary people in an act of Cyber Happy Slapping and you wanna talk to me about standards? You filthy hypocrite.

How is DDoS-ing The Escapist, League of Legends or Eve Online holding them to a higher standard? What should the people playing think?

LulzSec didn't launch a surgical strike exposing critical vulnerabilities, they went on a rampage hitting everybody that was in the way and cheering , you call that having standards?

The govts and corporations have so far not even come close to causing the disruption LulzSec has, so I'd say they live up to quite a high standard.

So really, what are you talking about? How does screwing over ordinary people send a message to govts and corporations that the internet doesn't belong to them.

That's like a jihadi yelling "Fuck America" while he blows up a mosque .

So far, all LulzSec has done is aggravate ordinary people. Escapist,LoL,EVE Online attacks, Xbox, Facebook releases, all hurting ordinary people.

The whole idea that LulzSec fights for "us" while screwing "us"... you've got mental issues if you honestly think that.

How is cyber-slapping around ordinary people equaling fighting against the "evil" govt+corporations?

You want evil? LulzSec making public information of people that have done nothing to them. That's evil. The govt and corporations are angels compared to LulzSec.

P.S. : Pray tell, with LulzSec's mindless,unprovoked rampages in mind, can you tell me what are the so "evil" acts of govt or corporations that you're talking about? Has the US govt shut down Google.com? Has Sony released private customer info for money? What is really so evil as to justify collateral damage and cheering of collateral damage.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Apparently Lulzsec has already been doxed, or for those of you outside of the 4chan loop, they have been identified. Screen names, accounts on various sites (just names, no passwords), and pictures have been posted. Whether or not it's actually them remains to be seen.

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com

If they have their leader's address why isn't the FBI or kicking down some doors?

The FBI (like any government department) needs some form of proof, otherwise they will alert the hackers to nuke their drives or the like.

They probably want to spring them in the act so they have something that will stick (only real way to go with good hackers i'd imagine).

arresting them means nothing if their out again in a month.

Not totally true.

The FBI could just arrest them, toss them in jail while they await trial, then indefinitely file for extensions so that they never get a court date, thus never get a chance to 'get off'.

Alternatively, invoke the Patriot Act.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Apparently Lulzsec has already been doxed, or for those of you outside of the 4chan loop, they have been identified. Screen names, accounts on various sites (just names, no passwords), and pictures have been posted. Whether or not it's actually them remains to be seen.

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com

If they have their leader's address why isn't the FBI or kicking down some doors?

The FBI (like any government department) needs some form of proof, otherwise they will alert the hackers to nuke their drives or the like.

They probably want to spring them in the act so they have something that will stick (only real way to go with good hackers i'd imagine).

arresting them means nothing if their out again in a month.

Not totally true.

The FBI could just arrest them, toss them in jail while they await trial, then indefinitely file for extensions so that they never get a court date, thus never get a chance to 'get off'.

Alternatively, invoke the Patriot Act.

I don't know the ins and outs of the american legal/prosecution system, but to hold them for longer than a year they would need something substantial i would have imagined. I put my hands up and say i could be wrong, but as far as i was aware your laws are very dependant on such things.

That would be the point of filing to push the court date back (An 'extension'). They actually can't hold you very long at all if they're just holding you, but if they say they want the case to go to court. (They do need evidence for this, but they could just tell the Judge to say they have a strong enough case, in which case zero evidence is needed.) then they really can hold you indefinitely provided they file the extensions on time.

Trust me, if a federal US agency wants you to go away, you are going to go away.

Interestingly, the entire reason the IRS came into being was to catch Al Capone.

 

[enzilewulf]

The Jester's got our backs, don't worry.

He is one man. He can't stop all of this shit from going down. I love the guy and what he does but him joining and his followers getting into the mix will only escalate things to higher levels. I hope he stays out.

If you don't mind me asking, who is Jester?

Why are they trying to paint themselves as the good guys when they insinuate that they will steal bank information?

The Jester is a hacker who hacks for good and is against lulzsec. He usually picks bigger targets such as DDoSing a website that promotes jihad or terrorist websites and finds out who is running them. After last Tuesday The Jester declared war against lulzsec (not literally but still).
http://twitter.com/#!/th3j35t3r

 

[The Human Torch]

I still have problems taking a group seriously that call themselves LulzSec.

Thats probarbly because they don't want to be taken seriously.

Their actions speak differently. Still, they prance around like teenagers with inviolability.