MacBooks: How I became jelly
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Today? Nothing. That was my point. Put a Mac tower alongside a modern, equivalently priced, custom built Windows machine for the purpose of video rendering, and set off a render. The Windows machine will win, every single time. Better GPU utilisation, alongside the fact that the price will have allowed for far more advanced hardware, means that Mac's just aren't worth it anymore.Vault101 said:
I have some friends in the creative industries, they all have Macs. I made this point to them. Saying that the Adobe suite is now cross-platform, and can be used on Windows laptops available at half the price. They all said the same thing, and it went a little something like this:
"If I went into any client or colleague meeting, and brought out a Windows laptop instead of a Mac, I'd be laughed right out of the industry."
It's a social stigma thing, that's the only reason why many will remain with Mac's in the creative industry. The only industry where you do need to still have a Mac is the music industry. The reason being that Pro Tools, the industry standard in music production, is Mac exclusive. It's Mac exclusive because Mac OS have a decent set of native drivers for MIDI interfaces, which, for some reason, is still the industry standard interface even after like 25 years. Windows has some, but they are third party and very unstable.
If you ain't in a creative business, there's really no need to own a mac, and even then, Adobe Suite is now cross platform.
They appeal to the magpies of our society, who care more about how sleek and shiny the thing is, rather than how much they're being ripped off over a brand name.
They appeal to the magpies of our society, who care more about how sleek and shiny the thing is, rather than how much they're being ripped off over a brand name.
How did you become jelly? Did you change the atoms in your body? I really do want a response to this
how long has this been the case?Griffolion said:
[quote/][b/]"If I went into any client or colleague meeting, and brought out a Windows laptop instead of a Mac, I'd be laughed right out of the industry."[/b][/quote]
...that almost makes me want to cry
no seriously is everybody in the creative industries a fucking idiot???!!! ok...ok no obviously not but WHAT?? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???? fuuuuuck
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO BUY AN OVERPRICE WHITE PEICE OF CRAP TO APEASE THE ABSOLUTE PANTS ON HEAD RETARDEDNESS OF OTHERS!!
this is an injustice! this is fucking insane!! this is bullshit I...I....
*gasp*
sorry
I honestly dont get it, its not that just disturbs me its just that ones choice in laptop can mean so much, I mean fuck it were it me I wouldnt put up with that shit...I'd use my windows and tell people to stick it if they had a problem
...now I'm mad
A number of years now.Vault101 said:
Indeed, this is why my original response in this thread sounded a lot like a rant.Vault101 said:no seriously is everybody in the creative industries a fucking idiot???!!! ok...ok no obviously not but WHAT?? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???? fuuuuuck
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO BUY AN OVERPRICE WHITE PEICE OF CRAP TO APEASE THE ABSOLUTE PANTS ON HEAD RETARDEDNESS OF OTHERS!!
this is an injustice! this is fucking insane!! this is bullshit I...I....
*gasp*
sorry
I honestly dont get it, its not that just disturbs me its just that ones choice in laptop can mean so much, I mean fuck it were it me I wouldnt put up with that shit...I'd use my windows and tell people to stick it if they had a problem
...now I'm mad
I understand, there was a time when Macs were more conducive to this type of work. The time of Windows XP and all that. The lines were clear cut, Windows was enterprise and in the home, Mac was the creative business. But Windows 7 (and Vista, since 7 and Vista run off more or less the same kernel) blurred the lines, and enabled the creative business to come to both platforms. Adobe saw this, and developed for Windows a while ago. Same with many other creative applications.
It's just one of those things. Macs became so ingrained in the creative industry, that they are seeing continued use despite the cross-platform paradigm that's come in in the last few years. People still get them out of instinct and "that's what I need to do" to make it in the industry. It's like the mark you have to bear for being part of it, have a Mac.
And of course the only other type of people who want Macs are those under the delusions of "they are easier to use", "they don't get viruses", and "they look nice".
I love my shiny shiny mac. I love macs because they are so easy to use. I am somewhat of a technophobe and not very good with computers, but at the same time I work in research so I cannot avoid them.
I would probably like a PC if I was more competent though.
Also, I think that a mac is better for work, and a PC for play.
I say save up your pennies and get one. Macs supposedly last a long time (2 years and still going strong, no problems) so the high cost can balance out over the years that it is used.
I would probably like a PC if I was more competent though.
Also, I think that a mac is better for work, and a PC for play.
I say save up your pennies and get one. Macs supposedly last a long time (2 years and still going strong, no problems) so the high cost can balance out over the years that it is used.
Adobe products have been cross platform for at least 15 years.Vault101 said:
...that almost makes me want to cry
no seriously is everybody in the creative industries a fucking idiot???!!! ok...ok no obviously not but WHAT??[/quote]
It all goes back to the late 80s/early 90s when Apple computers were really the 'only' choice for creative industries to use (fuck them, Amiga 4 Life!) unless they wanted to invest major funds into graphics workstations. With that in place, it was only 'logical' that Apples were what people we taught to use if they wanted to get into those industries... Of course, once that started it began a cycle; the industry used Apple so people learned on Apple so the industry continued using Apple so people continued learning on Apple ad nauseum, until it became axiomatic that Apple was the only choice for the creative industries (excluding 3D work. Apple never really got a toe in on that). With their heads firmly planted in their arses, all these people ignored the massive leaps made hardware and software for x86 based systems (windows machines) in the early and mid 90s that made them functionally equal to Apple's offerings and at a much lower price point.
So now it's a matter of Industry Inertia more than anything else that keeps Macs are 'the computer for creative industries'.
edit: actually, Macs used to have one massive advantage for professionals working in visual media - Mac monitors used to be much, much easier to calibrate to match standard printing inks.
Relax dude. The only people I've met in 'the creative industries' who still use Macs are graphic designers and hipsters pretending to be artists.Vault101 said:
If you're working 3-D, be it industrial, modelling or animation, you're using a PC. A lot of software now doesn't even come in Mac compatible versions. Not to mention that Apple hardware is useless, they're still selling two generation old Xeons and HD57xx graphics cards as the fastest computers in the world.
All the video editors I know use PCs, massive and cheap RAM availability killed off their love of Macs years ago.
Photo editing? Still some hold outs, but I've not used a Mac since University.
Graphic designers like them because clients like them, that and the streamlined interface fits well with their streamlined thought process...
To the contrary, plenty of people have time for that. And, it's also a very good practice to do as it can add value to your laptop for an extended period of time. Hence why the repair-ability and upgrade-ability of a laptop are such big factors in people's buying decisions. The person you quoted made a good point.Chrono212 said:
No, it's mine!Chrono212 said:I don't have time.
£500 please!
I'm going to play on a bitchin' weekend away, and you can't stop me because you're Jelly!
(insert maniacal laughter)
Don't forget the uninformed that listen to their Apple Cultist friends who tell them that Macs are better made and higher tech than PCs.Griffolion said:
As I said to my step-da "You can listen to someone who thinks his new iPad is magic or you can listen to someone who can build a PC in half an hour."
Well, I would counsel you to perhaps change such an attitude. It does confer benefits, primarily financial, in the long run.Chrono212 said:
Well, tablets are another matter, we're on about Mac based PC's here. As far as tablets go, Google have superior tablets for cheaper in the Nexus 7 and 10. Simple. Done.RhombusHatesYou said:
But yeah, I agree. You can listen to the guy who says "My Mac just works". Or you can listen to the guy who says "My PC just works, and I know precisely how it does".