Making burgers out of sacred cows: beloved movies that completely suck

[xvbones]

300 is a terrible movie.
I thought it was a terrible movie when I saw it in the theater, I thought it was a terrible movie when THIS! IS! SPARTA! became an absolutely insufferable and inescapable meme, I thought it was a terrible movie when it came out on DVD and got endlessly parodied and imitated.

300 features zero actual characters, portrays Leonidas as a petulant maniac, Xerxes as a gigantic androgynous monster-person and Persians as demonic hellbeasts who actually spend the time nailing hundreds of innocent civilians a single tree to show how mean and evil they are.

It is one long historical inaccuracy that would normally be perfectly fine for this kind of movie, but it hamstrings itself with 'cool looking' slow-mo fight scenes that are the entire point of the movie AND YET end up look pretty fucking retarded in any context.
The Spartans have made a huge deal out of how important their unbreakable Phalanx is, but when the fighting actually happens they all constantly break ranks to do inane and ridiculous little cool-fight moves. (Sorry, Ephialtes! You can't hold a shield right so you can't die with us! TOO BAD YOUR INABILITY TO HOLD A SHIELD UP WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY POINTLESS ANYWAY AMIRITE)

I have nothing against the performers themselves, I thought they did great with the pathetically vacant, empty, jingoistic script.
I have nothing against the director, (even though Sucker Punch was insufferably boring) and I do enjoy his visual style.
I have nothing against Frank Miller, even though his work is wildly hit-or-miss and frankly 300 was one of his broader misses.

I hated this movie. I thought it was terrible.

What I hated most, though, was the tremendous missed opportunity it represented.

See, if you replaced the Spartans in that movie with Klingons and the Persians with Romulans
the movie would have been exactly the same.

As a matter of fact, it would have been way the fuck better.

Change Leonidas' name to Kahless and suddenly his mindless aggression (KILLING THE MESSENGER IS NOT A HEROIC ACT OK) makes perfect sense.
You wouldn't even have to alter anything about the Persians/Romulans. At all.
You would not have to alter the script or anything that happens in the script, all that ridiculous shouting about FREEDOM FREEDOM HEY GUYS FREEDOM would have been perfectly in character.

Trek geeks would have loved to see their precious Bat'leths not be a useless weapon.
Mainstream audiences would have been all about it.
It would have gone a long way towards re-invigorating the franchise long before J.J. Abrams had to save it.



K, so, that's the movie I can't fucking stand that everyone else seems to love.

Your turn.

 

[Gxas]

300 is a terrible movie.
I thought it was a terrible movie when I saw it in the theater, I thought it was a terrible movie when THIS! IS! SPARTA! became an absolutely insufferable and inescapable meme, I thought it was a terrible movie when it came out on DVD and got endlessly parodied and imitated.

300 features zero actual characters, portrays Leonidas as a petulant maniac, Xerxes as a gigantic androgynous monster-person and Persians as demonic hellbeasts who actually spend the time nailing hundreds of innocent civilians a single tree to show how mean and evil they are.

It is one long historical inaccuracy that would normally be perfectly fine for this kind of movie, but it hamstrings itself with 'cool looking' slow-mo fight scenes that are the entire point of the movie AND YET end up look pretty fucking retarded in any context.
The Spartans have made a huge deal out of how important their unbreakable Phalanx is, but when the fighting actually happens they all constantly break ranks to do inane and ridiculous little cool-fight moves. (Sorry, Ephialtes! You can't hold a shield right so you can't die with us! TOO BAD YOUR INABILITY TO HOLD A SHIELD UP WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY POINTLESS ANYWAY AMIRITE)

I have nothing against the performers themselves, I thought they did great with the pathetically vacant, empty, jingoistic script.
I have nothing against the director, (even though Sucker Punch was insufferably boring) and I do enjoy his visual style.
I have nothing against Frank Miller, even though his work is wildly hit-or-miss and frankly 300 was one of his broader misses.

I hated this movie. I thought it was terrible.

What I hated most, though, was the tremendous missed opportunity it represented.

See, if you replaced the Spartans in that movie with Klingons
And the Persians with Romulans
the movie would have been exactly the same.

Change Leonidas' name to Kahless and suddenly his mindless aggression (KILLING THE MESSENGER IS NOT A HEROIC ACT OK) makes perfect sense.
You wouldn't even have to alter anything about the Persians/Romulans. At all.
You would not have to alter the script or anything that happens in the script.

As a matter of fact, this would not have been the same movie, it would have been way the fuck better.

Would have gone a long way towards re-invigorating the franchise long before J.J. Abrams had to save it.

You forgot to say, "In my opinion."

EDIT: Also, in my opinion, the slow-mo scenes in the movie made perfect sense in context with the movie they were in.

 

[xvbones]

You forgot to say, "In my opinion."

EDIT: Also, in my opinion, the slow-mo scenes in the movie made perfect sense in context with the movie they were in.

Erm. When someone begins to explain their opinion about anything at all, that it is an opinion is somewhat implied.
The meaning of this thread is to espouse and expound on opinions.
So, no. Didn't forget.
Assumed intelligence on the part of the reader.
Will continue to do so.


(Edit: I disagree completely. After how long Leonidas spend talking about the Phalanx, after it was made abundantly plain that the only reason Ephialtes was turned away was because of the importance of that Phalanx, the slo-mo scenes in which the Spartans continually break the Phalanx were, IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking retarded.
They stopped using spears to use weapons that are not as effective as their spears like their swords, which are backup weapons, the equivalent of a trench knife, lacking and 8-foot-reach and the ability to kill in one strike.
Or flat out NOT weapons, like their shields. That shield bash that looked really cool? HEY GUESS WHAT HE BROKE THE PHALANX RIGHT THERE, SIX ARROWS AND A SPEAR THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A HOLE IN THE WALL OF SHIELDS JUST LIKE THAT ONE JUST HIT HIM IN HIS HUGE OILED MUSCLEY CHEST AND THE PHALANX CRUMBLED OH GOD THE HUMANITY.
That movie was crap.)

 

[ZeroMachine]

Scott Pilgrim. Just bored me, quite simply. Walked out after 20 minutes.

Everyone keeps telling me "it gets good after 20 minutes!" but to be honest I haven't enjoy Cera in a role since Arrested Development, so I doubt anything will get me to watch the movie.

EDIT: Also, totally agree about 300. Dumb movie.

 

[Chefodeath]

The Godfather

I've watched it like twice, and it could be the greatest movie of all time...if only I knew what the fuck was going on.

 

[emeraldrafael]

So is this a thread about bad movies that people like, or movies that are popular that you dont like? Cuase I dont care for Inception, but people flip their shit for it.

More towards the former, I didnt like the remake of Clash of the Titans. There was alot that didnt need to be there. The first movie had story, but not enough action that looked good because of budget. The remake had action, but lacked that story that made the original good (to me at least).

 

[thedoclc]

300 is a terrible movie.

SEE OP: cut for length

When you said "beloved movies," I thought you meant movies which were actually, you know, good, or even truly well-received by nearly everyone. 300 got very, very mixed reviews.

Many of your criticisms, such as the improbable fight scenes, the kitten-strangling Persians, and so on can be quickly explained with two simple words. "Unreliable Narrator." The entire story is a retelling of events by a leader trying to rally troops; anything absurd or preposterone-laden is the story teller's exaggeration. Of course he wants to demonize the Persians, play up how amazing the Spartans were, and so on.

I thought the movie was terrible for other reasons (style over substance, lousy pacing, unlikable characters, mediocre script and acting, etc), but most of your comments are just "lies" told by the narrator to embellish Thermopylae when the Persian army is readying for a second battle in Greece.

 

[xvbones]

Assumed intelligence on the part of the reader.

hah hah hah that's clever, the way you responded with a modified image featuring a comic great in a well known role and a simple phrase you could have typed out but didn't feel was impactful enough.

From 'memegenerator', eh? A website of high repute among all interdebators, I must assume.

Bravo, sir. That was quite well done and has never been done before ever, and certainly not seven million hilarious times in the past 0.5 seconds across the internet.

I like the cut of your jib, young man. You'll go far on this interweb.

 

[Vault101]

from a nostalga point of veiw

While Grease doesnt "suck" it.......well when you think about it it really doesnt make much sense

 

[Gxas]

(Edit: I disagree completely. After how long Leonidas spend talking about the Phalanx, after it was made abundantly plain that the only reason Ephialtes was turned away was because of the importance of that Phalanx, the slo-mo scenes in which the Spartans continually break the Phalanx were, IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking retarded.
They stopped using spears to use weapons that are not as effective as their spears like their swords, which are backup weapons, the equivalent of a trench knife, lacking and 8-foot-reach and the ability to kill in one strike.
Or flat out NOT weapons, like their shields. That shield bash that looked really cool? HEY GUESS WHAT HE BROKE THE PHALANX RIGHT THERE, SIX ARROWS AND A SPEAR THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A HOLE IN THE WALL OF SHIELDS JUST LIKE THAT ONE JUST HIT HIM IN HIS HUGE OILED MUSCLEY CHEST AND THE PHALANX CRUMBLED OH GOD THE HUMANITY.
That movie was crap.)

You forget that people go to the movies to be entertained. (Why else is Michael Bay still making films?) What you seem to want to see is a History Channel documentary done in the style of a film. I'm sorry to say that this idea, while it may pique your interest, will not go over well with the rest of the media audience.

This is where the whole opinion thing comes into play. What you might enjoy, most of the rest of (and I'm sorry to have to say this, as it pisses me off as much as it does you, I promise you that) America doesn't. The movie industry is here to make money, not to please every single soul. They'll please the majority who will give them the most money. It's a sad truth.

Assumed intelligence on the part of the reader.

Also this. I've learned to stop assuming intelligence on anyone's part in the, what, near two and a half years I've been coming to this site?

 

[ThatDaveDude1]

Assumed intelligence on the part of the reader.

hah hah hah that's clever, the way you responded with a modified image featuring a comic great in a well known role and a simple phrase you could have typed out but didn't feel was impactful enough.

From 'memegenerator', eh? A website of high repute among all interdebators, I must assume.

Bravo, sir. That was quite well done and has never been done before ever, and certainly not seven million hilarious times in the past 0.5 seconds across the internet.

I like the cut of your jib, young man. You'll go far on this interweb.

I hereby award unto you one sincere thank you in reguards to the kind words you have herein bestowed upon me. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

Good day to you.

 

[Woodsey]

300 is a terrible movie.
I thought it was a terrible movie when I saw it in the theater, I thought it was a terrible movie when THIS! IS! SPARTA! became an absolutely insufferable and inescapable meme, I thought it was a terrible movie when it came out on DVD and got endlessly parodied and imitated.

300 features zero actual characters, portrays Leonidas as a petulant maniac, Xerxes as a gigantic androgynous monster-person and Persians as demonic hellbeasts who actually spend the time nailing hundreds of innocent civilians a single tree to show how mean and evil they are.

It is one long historical inaccuracy that would normally be perfectly fine for this kind of movie, but it hamstrings itself with 'cool looking' slow-mo fight scenes that are the entire point of the movie AND YET end up look pretty fucking retarded in any context.
The Spartans have made a huge deal out of how important their unbreakable Phalanx is, but when the fighting actually happens they all constantly break ranks to do inane and ridiculous little cool-fight moves. (Sorry, Ephialtes! You can't hold a shield right so you can't die with us! TOO BAD YOUR INABILITY TO HOLD A SHIELD UP WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY POINTLESS ANYWAY AMIRITE)

I have nothing against the performers themselves, I thought they did great with the pathetically vacant, empty, jingoistic script.
I have nothing against the director, (even though Sucker Punch was insufferably boring) and I do enjoy his visual style.
I have nothing against Frank Miller, even though his work is wildly hit-or-miss and frankly 300 was one of his broader misses.

I hated this movie. I thought it was terrible.

What I hated most, though, was the tremendous missed opportunity it represented.

See, if you replaced the Spartans in that movie with Klingons
And the Persians with Romulans
the movie would have been exactly the same.

Change Leonidas' name to Kahless and suddenly his mindless aggression (KILLING THE MESSENGER IS NOT A HEROIC ACT OK) makes perfect sense.
You wouldn't even have to alter anything about the Persians/Romulans. At all.
You would not have to alter the script or anything that happens in the script.

As a matter of fact, this would not have been the same movie, it would have been way the fuck better.

Would have gone a long way towards re-invigorating the franchise long before J.J. Abrams had to save it.

You forgot to say, "In my opinion."

EDIT: Also, in my opinion,

If that was serious, I am going to hit you. Hard.

OT: Bit confused by what you want us to say? What films should have followed a certain format that didn't work for other films, or films that should have been good but weren't?

 

[xvbones]

(Edit: I disagree completely. After how long Leonidas spend talking about the Phalanx, after it was made abundantly plain that the only reason Ephialtes was turned away was because of the importance of that Phalanx, the slo-mo scenes in which the Spartans continually break the Phalanx were, IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking retarded.
They stopped using spears to use weapons that are not as effective as their spears like their swords, which are backup weapons, the equivalent of a trench knife, lacking and 8-foot-reach and the ability to kill in one strike.
Or flat out NOT weapons, like their shields. That shield bash that looked really cool? HEY GUESS WHAT HE BROKE THE PHALANX RIGHT THERE, SIX ARROWS AND A SPEAR THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A HOLE IN THE WALL OF SHIELDS JUST LIKE THAT ONE JUST HIT HIM IN HIS HUGE OILED MUSCLEY CHEST AND THE PHALANX CRUMBLED OH GOD THE HUMANITY.
That movie was crap.)

You forget that people go to the movies to be entertained. (Why else is Michael Bay still making films?) What you seem to want to see is a History Channel documentary done in the style of a film. I'm sorry to say that this idea, while it may pique your interest, will not go over well with the rest of the media audience.

This is where the whole opinion thing comes into play. What you might enjoy, most of the rest of (and I'm sorry to have to say this, as it pisses me off as much as it does you, I promise you that) America doesn't. The movie industry is here to make money, not to please every single soul. They'll please the majority who will give them the most money. It's a sad truth.

No, I don't want to see a History channel thing, or I would be watching the history channel.

You seem to be fine with action scenes that make zero sense and in fact revel in how little sense they are making, and IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!! that is exactly why shit like this gets made and gets popular, people like you who IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!! do not care even slightly if what is happening on the screen makes any sense even given the world it is taking place in.

It is called 'willing suspension of disbelief.'

300 broke it almost immediately by showing that this movie's Leonidas was more than willing to murder innocent messengers and then expecting us to cheer for this horrible war crime.
Hell, even before then, with the leper people drooling on a Frank Miller Certified Oracular Whore Woman in a scene that didn't even try to be anything beyond cheap audience titillation (OH SHIT DUDE YOU CAN TOTALLY SEE HER NIPPLES)

It then never bothered to attempt to get back that willing suspension of disbelief, instead feeding us cartoon action scenes that blatantly disregarded what the movie itself had told us.
Several times.
Repeatedly.

Historical inaccuracy is to be expected in any 'historical' movie.
My problem was this movie was about half an inch deep, cared nothing about anything but the visuals and ended up being an hour and a half of flashy visuals with zero substance.

My willing suspension of disbelief was so shattered by the time the actual fight scenes (that the whole movie is about and yet occupy less than one tenth of the movie's total running time) I could do nothing but laugh at how fucking ludicrous this horseshit looked.

Although I did like the giant monster person with the sword hands who executed the Persians.
My girlfriend and I spent a lot of time after the movie discussing him.
Like how he went about his day-to-day life if he's got big rusty swords for arms. Poor guy.

Assumed intelligence on the part of the reader.

Also this. I've learned to stop assuming intelligence on anyone's part in the, what, near two and a half years I've been coming to this site?

Thank you for pointing out how long you've been coming to this site.

I will continue to assume that when I state an opinion, people will understand it is opinion.

Even if it means being horribly disappointed.

I'm sorry, I'm just not bitter enough yet.

 

[xvbones]

If that was serious, I am going to hit you. Hard.

i will admit, i was made to be very put out by the comment myself.

OT: Bit confused by what you want us to say? What films should have followed a certain format that didn't work for other films, or films that should have been good but weren't?

Sacred cows, I mean movies that everyone agrees were amazing but you yourself personally disliked.

For example, my roommate despises Goodfellas for reasons i cannot possibly fathom, but there it is, he hated that movie and every part of it.

A movie that is accepted as great that you hated, and the reasons why, is what I am looking for.

 

[Gxas]

No, I don't want to see a History channel thing, or I would be watching the history channel.

You seem to be fine with action scenes that make zero sense and in fact revel in how little sense they are making, and IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!! that is exactly why shit like this gets made and gets popular, people like you who IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!! do not care even slightly if what is happening on the screen makes any sense even given the world it is taking place in.

It is called 'willing suspension of disbelief.'

300 broke it almost immediately by showing that this movie's Leonidas was more than willing to murder innocent messengers and then expecting us to cheer for this horrible war crime.
Hell, even before then, with the leper people drooling on a Frank Miller Certified Oracular Whore Woman in a scene that didn't even try to be anything beyond cheap audience titillation (OH SHIT DUDE YOU CAN TOTALLY SEE HER NIPPLES)

It then never bothered to attempt to get back that willing suspension of disbelief, instead feeding us cartoon action scenes that blatantly disregarded what the movie itself had told us.
Several times.
Repeatedly.

Historical inaccuracy is to be expected in any 'historical' movie.
My problem was this movie was about half an inch deep, cared nothing about anything but the visuals and ended up being an hour and a half of flashy visuals with zero substance.

My willing suspension of disbelief was so shattered by the time the actual fight scenes (that the whole movie is about and yet occupy less than one tenth of the movie's total running time) I could do nothing but laugh at how fucking ludicrous this horseshit looked.

Although I did like the giant monster person with the sword hands who executed the Persians.
My girlfriend and I spent a lot of time after the movie discussing him.
Like how he went about his day-to-day life if he's got big rusty swords for arms. Poor guy.

You still seem to be missing the point though. The majority of people don't want to see a movie that makes sense. This has been shown time and time again. Look at how many blockbusters like 300 get so much praise with such gaping plotholes and inconsistencies. People don't care if what they watch makes sense historically, if at all. All they want is an hour and a half to three hours of entertainment. Your hate, currently, is on the movie when, instead, it should be routed toward the viewing public who praise it so.

Go watch Moviebob's review of the Expendables. I think you'll find that you two share very similar opinions on this matter.

(It seems to me that you still think that I praise 300 as a glorious movie that was intelligent and thought provoking and god's gift to mortals. I don't feel that way at all. Sure, I fucking enjoy the hell out of it when I watch it. But, you know, I find the Rifftrax of it to be much more enjoyable. I'd rather watch something with much more depth because I like my movies to be intelligent.

Sometimes, though, I like to put on a movie, and not have to pay attention or think about whats on the screen. 300 is excellent background noise. One of the best movies for that, if I'm being honest with myself, and you.)

OT: I should give you an answer to what you were asking for, as I feel kind of bad not doing so.

I hate, with every fiber of my being, Forrest Gump.

Why? I honestly do not know. The acting is superb, the story, well, didn't catch my interest at all, but was well told. I have no idea why I dislike that movie so much. I wish I could give a good reason, but I can't.

 

[VanityGirl]

So... you hated 300?

Tough cookies. I thought it was a sweet but mindless movie. I liked the slowmo scenes, especially when Leonidas essentially backhanded a guy with his shield. Amazing.

 

[Throwitawaynow]

Snip

You doing Transformers 2 next? Like 300, that is also a sacred cow that lots of people especially on this site love.

 

[Gxas]

Snip

You doing Transformers 2 next? Like 300, that is also a sacred cow that lots of people especially on this site love.

They do? Where do these people hide? All I've ever seen here is unabashed hate for anything and everything Bay.

 

[xvbones]

No, I don't want to see a History channel thing, or I would be watching the history channel.

You seem to be fine with action scenes that make zero sense and in fact revel in how little sense they are making, and IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!! that is exactly why shit like this gets made and gets popular, people like you who IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!! do not care even slightly if what is happening on the screen makes any sense even given the world it is taking place in.

It is called 'willing suspension of disbelief.'

300 broke it almost immediately by showing that this movie's Leonidas was more than willing to murder innocent messengers and then expecting us to cheer for this horrible war crime.
Hell, even before then, with the leper people drooling on a Frank Miller Certified Oracular Whore Woman in a scene that didn't even try to be anything beyond cheap audience titillation (OH SHIT DUDE YOU CAN TOTALLY SEE HER NIPPLES)

It then never bothered to attempt to get back that willing suspension of disbelief, instead feeding us cartoon action scenes that blatantly disregarded what the movie itself had told us.
Several times.
Repeatedly.

Historical inaccuracy is to be expected in any 'historical' movie.
My problem was this movie was about half an inch deep, cared nothing about anything but the visuals and ended up being an hour and a half of flashy visuals with zero substance.

My willing suspension of disbelief was so shattered by the time the actual fight scenes (that the whole movie is about and yet occupy less than one tenth of the movie's total running time) I could do nothing but laugh at how fucking ludicrous this horseshit looked.

Although I did like the giant monster person with the sword hands who executed the Persians.
My girlfriend and I spent a lot of time after the movie discussing him.
Like how he went about his day-to-day life if he's got big rusty swords for arms. Poor guy.

You still seem to be missing the point though. The majority of people don't want to see a movie that makes sense. This has been shown time and time again. Look at how many blockbusters like 300 get so much praise with such gaping plotholes and inconsistencies. People don't care if what they watch makes sense historically, if at all. All they want is an hour and a half to three hours of entertainment. Your hate, currently, is on the movie when, instead, it should be routed toward the viewing public who praise it so.

Go watch Moviebob's review of the Expendables. I think you'll find that you two share very similar opinions on this matter.

(It seems to me that you still think that I praise 300 as a glorious movie that was intelligent and thought provoking and god's gift to mortals. I don't feel that way at all. Sure, I fucking enjoy the hell out of it when I watch it. But, you know, I find the Rifftrax of it to be much more enjoyable. I'd rather watch something with much more depth because I like my movies to be intelligent.

Sometimes, though, I like to put on a movie, and not have to pay attention or think about whats on the screen. 300 is excellent background noise. One of the best movies for that, if I'm being honest with myself, and you.)

You are correct, I am taking your defense of the movie to be more than it is, and I apologize for that.

(I will also not say the words "in my opinion" again, as I do not feel it to be necessary.)

I have no problems with plot inconsistencies, inanities or shit that doesn't make sense - what fucked that movie over for me was that i did not enjoy it.

The massive plot suckholes drained out any enjoyment I could have gotten from it because after a few basic nuggets of shit were force-fed to me (the Spartans, as portrayed by 300, are horrible bastards who picked a fight with a much larger force via means of murdering the fucking messenger for no reason than their King was afraid his wife might make fun of his dick if he didn't. KLOLWATEVA)

That's what this thread is for, movies you did not enjoy despite the overwhelming majority of fellow moviegoers telling you how much you should have enjoyed it.

I thought 300 was fucking awful not because of the inaccuracies - shit, I loved Braveheart and that movie is about as historically accurate as Robin Hood: Men In Tights - I thought it was fucking awful because i did not enjoy a single moment i spent in the theater.

Here's another one: I thought Avatar was a bundle of shit, also.
Seriously, let's hear it for yet another movie where white people enter a foreign culture and then prove to be better at that culture than the foreigners! (danceswiththelastsamurailolollololo) YAAAAY WHITE PEOPLE!

Again, a movie that is nothing but visuals with a story so boring I actually fell asleep in the theater.

 

[xvbones]

So... you hated 300?

Tough cookies. I thought it was a sweet but mindless movie. I liked the slowmo scenes, especially when Leonidas essentially backhanded a guy with his shield. Amazing.

Good! Excellent! Wonderful!

Not remotely what this thread is about!

Thus, sadly, irrelevant.

But hey, I'm glad you enjoyed it!


(also when he backhanded the guy with his shield, he should have died. period full stop. he sends ephialtes away for being a horrible ugly monster I MEAN BECAUSE HE CANNOT HOLD UP HIS SHIELD AND WOULD THUS WEAKEN THE PHALANX and then proceeds weaken the phalanx by not holding up his shield or 'protecting his brother,' because he was far too busy using his shield as a fucking cudgel.
Seriously, Frank Miller's Leonidas was a hypocritical, psychotic **** and my one flickering of joy in that movie was when he finally died and I didn't have to think about him anymore.)