Male victims of sexual violence in games, comics, movies, whatever.

CentralScrtnzr

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Men are silent victims. Illustrations of sexual assault or rape upon men would rarely have the sort of impact as they would if the subjects were women.

Also, OP should stop constructing strawmen. I stopped reading after the first two sentences.
 

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Carpenter said:
That mafia 2 scene really bothered me. People acted like the prison section was some amazingly mature depiction of the consequences for gang violence, and of course because it's clearly a game made for kids they made the "rape scene" into a half naked boxing match. Yeah don't worry people, in prison they slowly attack you one at a time, they would never just overpower you and force you to do something you don't want to do.

With the "collectable playboys" and downright silly gunfights, it seems the game was made for kids. I bought it because I kept hearing it was this dark an mature depiction of the mafia and what I got was a game that tried to be Saints Row and a driving simulator at the same time.
Defend women's honor with your fists and win their affection, gun down a bunch of cops and then it's all ok as long as you get to a phone booth.

But really, is it so much to ask that you at least depict violent prison rape as an, I don't know, unpleasant and violent thing?
Even if it just fades to black, it's better than that ridiculous boxing match.
When I first saw that scene, Vito got his ass kicked by the first dude, and the screen started to fade, and I thought for a few seconds "holy crap, is vito about to get raped?", but then it said "you got killed" and the fight restarted, and any impact the scene had was lost and it did indeed become a "half naked boxing match (Carpenter, 2012, 1)"
 

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I just have to say this, can people stop stating statistics? It's really cold hearted with this subject and we all know that a majority of sexual violence (possibly even more so with boys and men) is unreported or nobody takes it seriously.

EDIT: To above poster, yeah it really was disappointing.
I mean not that I would want to actually see poorly rendered prison rape, but just having it fade to black and showing him beaten up in the infirmary (like in American History X) would have been something. I wouldn't have cared if this was something in Saints row or one of the Godfather games but at least they would have went a little crazy with it.
 
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There is a surprisingly large amount of films with male rape in them:

http://www.listal.com/movies/male+rape

Oddly enough a lot of them seem to be romantic comedies aimed at women...
 

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Vinculi said:
thaluikhain said:
Mind you, child abuse is treated as being very serious by popular culture.
Yeah, that's true, gotta wonder what happens between then and adulthood that somehow makes sexual victimisation seem less of a problem or taken less seriously.

And even though male-child abuse is taken just as seriously as female child abuse in society, male characters in fiction never seem to have a background of abuse, but it seems fine to write a female character with "rape-victim" as a significant portion of her backstory.

And what if as an example, D.C released a Joker retcon that made the Joker a victim of childhood abuse, who as a result becomes detached and self-hating, his damaged emotional state leading to crime, which builds on itself as his escapism from the reality of his childhood. Its a bit overdone, sure, but that suits comics. Would a character like that actually work? (aside from the fact that no-one likes a retcon) Or are we not supposed to have any kind of depth to a villain that might make us feel bad?

Eh, you should probably ignore that crap I just wrote...
The problem that Men (and women actually) don't report rape stems from a generation of wanton ignorance to such things.

People just closed their eyes to things that upset them... when a child grows up in a world that essentially tells them "keep it to yourself" and "don't rock the boat", you better believe they will bottle that shit up and try to live with it. Its only been in the last 2-3 decades that these ugly truths have been dragged out into the light for scrutiny and condemnation (consolation? I confused myself in my phrasing, pick the one that means to you Rape victims are encouraged to speak out).

As an example thats close to home for me, in Ireland there has been major scandal in regards to the Catholic Church. For decades there was abuse (both sexual and mental) towards kids, boys and girls, within Catholic institutions (schools, churches etc.) by men of the cloth. Only in the last 2 decades has ANY of this knowledge reached the public and it has been an avalanche of sick and vile stories ever since. Whats worse is that the Church attempted to cover up these horror stories and the level of complacency towards it went right up to the freaking pope.
So, as a result we had a fairly large generation of abused kids growing up into traumatically repressed adults (you didn't challenge the church 30-40 years ago), creating a horrendous era of dark pasts and skeletons in closets. During this time the monsters that violated a generation walked among us, taught us and lead us through religious fervor and dogma.

Of course things are changing, slowly but surely. We are living in a generation where ignorance is no longer excusable, where people are encouraged, with support, to confront and deal with their problems... no matter how severe. A generation of stiff-upper-lip attitudes that crippled many lives and enabled innumerable amounts of abuse is being replaced by an aware, compassionate and empathetic generation that wants this shit to stop.

I can guarantee you media will broaden in its depictions of the dark and dank underbelly of life, but will be tempered by a better understanding of the consequences, when folk from my generation begin to enter the spotlight with their fantasies and fictions.

(Just as an another example of changing times, its only been in the last 2 decades that spouse rape has become an legally reprehensible form of rape).

Also, Joker should never have a defined backstory... there have been people who tried, but it fails always. Joker only works as an enigma, as an unquantifiable force or indefinable entity. By giving him history that explains who he is breaks the illusion of the character and just makes him another wacko.

As my own contribution towards depictions of male rape I give you "Deliverance" (film). Its man on man rape. Whats interesting is that the main character actively tries to keep word of his rape from spreading.
 

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A movie called Thursday (I think that was the title) has a guy being raped by a woman.

Bully has a mission where you collect sedative and chocolates for the lunch later. She uses it to drug and rape on of the teachers.

Just wondering, what is this for?
Because if this is for what it seems like it's for, you can find much more useful material on pornographic sites. Just saying.
 

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OK, firstly, the purpose of this is not "men get raped too so we need to stop talking about women" or any of the bile that occaisionally gets spat out to defend sexism or rape jokes, so if you want to discuss that, please take it elswhere.

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A couple of instances.

Guts from Berserk

Spider man was molested in one of the now retconned situations.

Hell blazers John Constantine was molestedt (On a non-garth ennis connection)

A LOT of people from all of Garth ennis works. Making it one of my main objections to his work. A lot of the people that Get abused are merely done so as to solidify the evil of his characters. A lot of the time without any real substance attached to it. As a matter of fact, now that i think of it, almost all of the big bads are sexual deviants in preacher.
 

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interestingly I remember a drama show..I think it was called Private Practice

a guy had a terminally Ill wife...or she had cancer (pretty terminal eather way) and I'm not sure it was because of a brain tumour but she was physically abusing him, and probably emotionally

one of the charachters in the show raised the issue and tried to encourage the guy to..you know..do somthing about it

however I think in the end he simply said "this is what I have to do, I have to be there for her" or whatever (physically he could handle his wife)

so on one hand while it was good I guess in that it showed male abuse to be a "thing" I;m not entirly sure how good it is that he just "accepted it like a man"
 

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I remember that the main character in GTA San Andreas gets raped by a woman who is convinced she is his girlfriend.

Also Flemeth in Dragon Age is said to rape men but at least they don't treat that as a joke. All the more reason for me to kill her.
 

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First thing I can think of is Concession [http://concessioncomic.com/]. One male character (may have been) raped in a psychiatric hospital, and another male character rapes his soul (that makes more sense if you read the comic).
And the less said about Charles/Chelsie the better...
No seriously, don't ask. Read the comic yourself.
 

Vinculi

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Ragsnstitches said:
-big snip-
I can guarantee you media will broaden in its depictions of the dark and dank underbelly of life, but will be tempered by a better understanding of the consequences, when folk from my generation begin to enter the spotlight with their fantasies and fictions.
-more snipping-
Yeah, I suppose it will take time for attittude changes in society to be reflected in entertainment media.

And thanks for all that, good stuff, don't think my snipping is claiming irrelevance.

Carpenter said:
Just wondering, what is this for?
Because if this is for what it seems like it's for, you can find much more useful material on pornographic sites. Just saying.
For? I'm confused, its just a discussion, friend (although I am an anthropologist), not collecting research or anything though (as intelligent as a lot of this has been, its not like you can include "excapist forum" in a bibliography), what were you thinking?

Carpenter said:
I just have to say this, can people stop stating statistics? It's really cold hearted with this subject and we all know that a majority of sexual violence (possibly even more so with boys and men) is unreported or nobody takes it seriously.
Yeah, did you check out the "real men get raped" campaign I posted? People are working hard to make it easier for men to come forward about this sort of thing, but I'd say from the reaction that campaign got that they're having a lot of trouble with it. And I get where you're coming from with the not liking statistics, but the fact is that arguments are generally worthless without any sort of reference.
 

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(A couple of spoilers ahead)

The incredibly nasty end of Griffin at the hands of Hyde in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume II comes to mind.

For female on male victimisation, though, it's a tricky one because arguably you can't rape without a penis, but they can darn well try (Lisbeth's retribution on her social worker in the Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, for example). Other forms of sexual abuse are still perfectly possible, of course.
 

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Oh, and thanks for all the examples, people.

There's a few more than I was expecting, but it still seems like no fiction writer uses "raped" or "prostitute" or "sexually vulnerable" as a starting point for writing a male character in the way that, say, Frank Miller is notorious for.
 

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From my experience, statistics are a very weak reference. Crime statistics only account for the reported cases that are taken seriously, yet it's always portrayed in that "this percentage of women get raped, this percentage of men get raped" format which is completely wrong on so many levels.

I think for this subject, the only worthy references you can use are real life cases and stories.

I think it's great people are trying to help, but a campaign called "real men get raped" seems like another way to make fun of the issue. Why not something a little more serious?

I think we just need to change our perception of things, but I don't see that happening. I doubt many "Women's shelters" will take a guy that has been beaten by his wife or raped.

I still see people presenting the issue of rape as an issue of sexism. That to me is just vile. We need to consider the complete spectrum of the crime, not just the victims we find it easiest to sympathies with. This idea that men never need to worry about being raped (as women do) is completely false. Problem is nobody really considers something like a guy getting drunk and passing out, and a woman having sex with his unconscious body to be an act of rape. If she get's pregnant and has a child, he can be forced to pay child support. That is messed up.

So what is the discussion here? Seems like we are just discussing instances of man rape in movies and games.
 

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lisadagz said:
For female on male victimisation, though, it's a tricky one because arguably you can't rape without a penis
Ugh....thanks for that....amazing insight.

It's not really "arguable" since there are documented cases of men being raped by women.
 

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A guy can't get raped by a woman. Rape implies that you object. Not possible I telzz ya!

But anyhow. A lot of these rape cases are actually men being raped by other men. Ofcourse most men wouldn't come forward. It's kind of awkward having to say you took one up the bum or were forced to give a blowjob. Most men would rather just walk it off(pun intended). Social taboo I suppose. I don't think you could even admit it to yourself. Imho that is emotionally worse then a woman being raped by a man (WORSE, I'm not saying that a woman getting raped is okay).
 

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Carpenter said:
lisadagz said:
For female on male victimisation, though, it's a tricky one because arguably you can't rape without a penis
Ugh....thanks for that....amazing insight.

It's not really "arguable" since there are documented cases of men being raped by women.
I mean in the sense that rape is penetration without consent, not just sex without consent. But like I said, there are still ways that it might count, like by using implements.

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There is a surprisingly large amount of films with male rape in them:

http://www.listal.com/movies/male+rape

Oddly enough a lot of them seem to be romantic comedies aimed at women...
I'd take that list with a pinch of salt, maybe I'm not remembering them correctly but the only two films I've seen from that bunch (Bad Santa and Bridesmaids) don't have male rape. In Bridesmaids a woman comes on to a guy kind of strong at one point and it makes him uncomfortable, that's about the worst thing that happens, to my memory?
 

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lisadagz said:
Carpenter said:
lisadagz said:
For female on male victimisation, though, it's a tricky one because arguably you can't rape without a penis
Ugh....thanks for that....amazing insight.

It's not really "arguable" since there are documented cases of men being raped by women.
I mean in the sense that rape is penetration without consent, not just sex without consent. But like I said, there are still ways that it might count, like by using implements.

James Joseph Emerald said:
There is a surprisingly large amount of films with male rape in them:

http://www.listal.com/movies/male+rape

Oddly enough a lot of them seem to be romantic comedies aimed at women...
I'd take that list with a pinch of salt, maybe I'm not remembering them correctly but the only two films I've seen from that bunch (Bad Santa and Bridesmaids) don't have male rape. In Bridesmaids a woman comes on to a guy kind of strong at one point and it makes him uncomfortable, that's about the worst thing that happens, to my memory?
Rape is not "penetration without consent" and that backwards line of thinking is exactly why it's such an issue. Even if it was, you can easily point out that said woman is forcing him to penetrate her, without consent. Penetration without consent, she is raping him.

I understand you are trying to argue some kind of technicality, but you simply have it wrong here. I won't go into details, but not all rape (of women or men) involves penetration.
 

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Carpenter said:
Rape is not "penetration without consent" and that backwards line of thinking is exactly why it's such an issue. Even if it was, you can easily point out that said woman is forcing him to penetrate her, without consent. Penetration without consent, she is raping him.

I understand you are trying to argue some kind of technicality, but you simply have it wrong here. I won't go into details, but not all rape (of women or men) involves penetration.
I think partially it is a case of different definitions by law, also it's hard to deny that having something forced inside a person's orifices is a bigger deal than other kinds of sexual assault purely on the basis that it can cause a lot of damage. On the emotional side, though, it is much more of a grey area, yes.