Male victims of sexual violence in games, comics, movies, whatever.

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thaluikhain said:
With Tarantula?

IIRC, the authors sort of dodged the issue, they said it wasn't rape, just that he wasn't consenting...of course that's the same thing though.

From whar I remember of the comic, though, he was consenting, just not enthusiastically.
Nightwing was basically in a catatonic state after having a nervous breakdown so no he wasnlt really consenting. It;s also not the only time he;s been raped. Mirage once transformed into his girlfriend Starfire in order to seduce him.

DC comics actually has a bit of a history with it men getting raped. Though some times the writers try to use any ambiguity to say it was consensual after the fact.

One story said that Batman was drugged and raped by Talia Al Ghul in order to conceive their child, but I believe that was a retcon of a previously consensual encounter.
Green arrow was raped by A character I can't recall the name of while he was delirious with a fever and though she was his girlfriend Black Canary.
And Green Lantern Kyle ranier was apparently drugged and raped by Bueno Excellente, but he doesn't remember it and it was played as a bit of a joke.
 

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Skipper zammo said:
thaluikhain said:
With Tarantula?

IIRC, the authors sort of dodged the issue, they said it wasn't rape, just that he wasn't consenting...of course that's the same thing though.

From whar I remember of the comic, though, he was consenting, just not enthusiastically.
Nightwing was basically in a catatonic state after having a nervous breakdown so no he wasnlt really consenting. It;s also not the only time he;s been raped. Mirage once transformed into his girlfriend Starfire in order to seduce him.

DC comics actually has a bit of a history with it men getting raped. Though some times the writers try to use any ambiguity to say it was consensual after the fact.

One story said that Batman was drugged and raped by Talia Al Ghul in order to conceive their child, but I believe that was a retcon of a previously consensual encounter.
Green arrow was raped by A character I can't recall the name of while he was delirious with a fever and though she was his girlfriend Black Canary.
And Green Lantern Kyle ranier was apparently drugged and raped by Bueno Excellente, but he doesn't remember it and it was played as a bit of a joke.
Ah, ok, haven't read that comic for a while.

Oh, there was one in which a supervillain used a mind control thingy to make Superman and Big Barda has sex on camera, so he could sell the footage, IIRC
 

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well tv tropes shows what most people think when its female on male rape ion fiction:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale

I mean in the uk a woman can't actually rape someone as the rape is defined as forced penetration of the vagina.
 

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40 Days and 40 Nights' protagonist gets raped and has to beg his girlfriend for forgiveness.

The rapist gets away clean and with the money from the plot inducing bet.

Only one I can remember off the top of my head other than the Green Arrow incident.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Mind you, child abuse is treated as being very serious by popular culture.
Yeah, that's true, gotta wonder what happens between then and adulthood that somehow makes sexual victimisation seem less of a problem or taken less seriously.

And even though male-child abuse is taken just as seriously as female child abuse in society, male characters in fiction never seem to have a background of abuse, but it seems fine to write a female character with "rape-victim" as a significant portion of her backstory.

And what if as an example, D.C released a Joker retcon that made the Joker a victim of childhood abuse, who as a result becomes detached and self-hating, his damaged emotional state leading to crime, which builds on itself as his escapism from the reality of his childhood. Its a bit overdone, sure, but that suits comics. Would a character like that actually work? (aside from the fact that no-one likes a retcon) Or are we not supposed to have any kind of depth to a villain that might make us feel bad?

Eh, you should probably ignore that crap I just wrote...
 

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well no prison rape so no me mentioning vito scarletta (i think thats how you spell it)so the only thing i have is a game i cant remember the name of, its about a guy going around in a magical world trying not to get raped, no really.

the guys sperm is apparently magical and will give you magical powers if you have it, so hence every female in the game wants to suck you dry with or without your consent.

i can search it up in case anybody is interested.
 

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Vinculi said:
thaluikhain said:
Mind you, child abuse is treated as being very serious by popular culture.
Yeah, that's true, gotta wonder what happens between then and adulthood that somehow makes sexual victimisation seem less of a problem or taken less seriously.

And even though male-child abuse is taken just as seriously as female child abuse in society, male characters in fiction never seem to have a background of abuse, but it seems fine to write a female character with "rape-victim" as a significant portion of her backstory.

And what if as an example, D.C released a Joker retcon that made the Joker a victim of childhood abuse, who as a result becomes detached and self-hating, his damaged emotional state leading to crime, which builds on itself as his escapism from the reality of his childhood. Its a bit overdone, sure, but that suits comics. Would a character like that actually work? (aside from the fact that no-one likes a retcon) Or are we not supposed to have any kind of depth to a villain that might make us feel bad?

Eh, you should probably ignore that crap I just wrote...
im not gonna ignore that crap you just wrote.

and no it is not a bad idea, the most interesting of villains or antagonists are usually the ones who seem somewhat justified in their ideals, so i say it could work.
 

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felbot said:
well no prison rape so no me mentioning vito scarletta (i think thats how you spell it)so the only thing i have is a game i cant remember the name of, its about a guy going around in a magical world trying not to get raped, no really.

the guys sperm is apparently magical and will give you magical powers if you have it, so hence every female in the game wants to suck you dry with or without your consent.

i can search it up in case anybody is interested.
Mafia 2, and when you get attacked by your "rapists" while playing as Vito, the game actually just makes you try again if you lose, rather than risk the player character getting gang-raped, which is interesting, but I suppose a game where the PC can get raped as a result of failure would never get published.
 

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Vinculi said:
thaluikhain said:
Mind you, child abuse is treated as being very serious by popular culture.
Yeah, that's true, gotta wonder what happens between then and adulthood that somehow makes sexual victimisation seem less of a problem or taken less seriously.

And even though male-child abuse is taken just as seriously as female child abuse in society, male characters in fiction never seem to have a background of abuse, but it seems fine to write a female character with "rape-victim" as a significant portion of her backstory.

And what if as an example, D.C released a Joker retcon that made the Joker a victim of childhood abuse, who as a result becomes detached and self-hating, his damaged emotional state leading to crime, which builds on itself as his escapism from the reality of his childhood. Its a bit overdone, sure, but that suits comics. Would a character like that actually work? (aside from the fact that no-one likes a retcon) Or are we not supposed to have any kind of depth to a villain that might make us feel bad?

Eh, you should probably ignore that crap I just wrote...
I dunno, stock tragic backstories are very common. Child abuse is pretty standard, but child sexual abuse (of males) doesn't seem to be done.
 

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felbot said:
well no prison rape so no me mentioning vito scarletta (i think thats how you spell it)so the only thing i have is a game i cant remember the name of, its about a guy going around in a magical world trying not to get raped, no really.

the guys sperm is apparently magical and will give you magical powers if you have it, so hence every female in the game wants to suck you dry with or without your consent.

i can search it up in case anybody is interested.
Mafia 2, and when you get attacked by your "rapists" while playing as Vito, the game actually just makes you try again if you lose, rather than risk the player character getting gang-raped, which is interesting, but I suppose a game where the PC can get raped as a result of failure would never get published.

And my joker train of thought was more wondering how people might react to a male character who has "rape-victim" as a backstory component in the way some female characters do

oops, double posting, beware, boys and girls
 

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thaluikhain said:
Skipper zammo said:
thaluikhain said:
With Tarantula?

IIRC, the authors sort of dodged the issue, they said it wasn't rape, just that he wasn't consenting...of course that's the same thing though.

From whar I remember of the comic, though, he was consenting, just not enthusiastically.
Nightwing was basically in a catatonic state after having a nervous breakdown so no he wasnlt really consenting. It;s also not the only time he;s been raped. Mirage once transformed into his girlfriend Starfire in order to seduce him.

DC comics actually has a bit of a history with it men getting raped. Though some times the writers try to use any ambiguity to say it was consensual after the fact.

One story said that Batman was drugged and raped by Talia Al Ghul in order to conceive their child, but I believe that was a retcon of a previously consensual encounter.
Green arrow was raped by A character I can't recall the name of while he was delirious with a fever and though she was his girlfriend Black Canary.
And Green Lantern Kyle ranier was apparently drugged and raped by Bueno Excellente, but he doesn't remember it and it was played as a bit of a joke.
Ah, ok, haven't read that comic for a while.

Oh, there was one in which a supervillain used a mind control thingy to make Superman and Big Barda has sex on camera, so he could sell the footage, IIRC
Oh yeah, there's also that dude from The Preacher series whose like a rapist for hire or something. Shouts "It's buggerin' time" and had a sidekick with glasses.
 

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In the film Super, Rainn Wilson's character is raped by Ellen Page's Boltie sidekick persona. And yes, it is rape. It's quite an uncomfortable scene to watch in a "dark comedy" tone.
 

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RockThineWorld said:
In the film Super, Rainn Wilson's character is raped by Ellen Page's Boltie sidekick persona. And yes, it is rape. It's quite an uncomfortable scene to watch in a "dark comedy" tone.
To be honest I just found that scene funny. Rape is terrible and all that, but Rain Wilson just shouting "This is inappropriate!!" over and over was kinda hilarious.
 

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RockThineWorld said:
In the film Super, Rainn Wilson's character is raped by Ellen Page's Boltie sidekick persona. And yes, it is rape. It's quite an uncomfortable scene to watch in a "dark comedy" tone.
Hmm, I looked that up and it sounds interesting, and the fact that a male character is raped is interesting, even more so since it seems he sticks with her and even gets upset by her death, kinda a Straw Dogs thing going on in reverse, although its certainly happened to female characters in other places.
 

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In Pulp Fiction Marsellus Wallace gets raped (before anyone complains, there's a god damn statute of limitations on spoilers). That was guy on guy but it still counts.
 

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RockThineWorld said:
In the film Super, Rainn Wilson's character is raped by Ellen Page's Boltie sidekick persona. And yes, it is rape. It's quite an uncomfortable scene to watch in a "dark comedy" tone.
A film in which Ellen Page is involved in rape? Fancy that.

Ok, normally she plays the victim, but still.
 

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I think the fact that he was screaming "this is inappropriate" only made it more disturbing since it was obvious he had psychological problems and was acting in this "batman fantasy" to shield himself from reality. His "sidekick" who he treats like a robin character he is trying to teach is a completely psychotic and violent sociopath.

The same for when he suddenly has a "vision" and rides off to complete his mission. He's suddenly decided he's ready to charge into battle and probably get killed.

I understand it was a dark comedy, and that people will find it funny, but I think it all just made it more disturbing. Kind of why I liked the movie. Of course every time a movie accurately portrays trauma and delusion, people usually see it as a big goofy thing.
 

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rhizhim said:
well i'll try..
That mafia 2 scene really bothered me. People acted like the prison section was some amazingly mature depiction of the consequences for gang violence, and of course because it's clearly a game made for kids they made the "rape scene" into a half naked boxing match. Yeah don't worry people, in prison they slowly attack you one at a time, they would never just overpower you and force you to do something you don't want to do.

With the "collectable playboys" and downright silly gunfights, it seems the game was made for kids. I bought it because I kept hearing it was this dark an mature depiction of the mafia and what I got was a game that tried to be Saints Row and a driving simulator at the same time.
Defend women's honor with your fists and win their affection, gun down a bunch of cops and then it's all ok as long as you get to a phone booth.

But really, is it so much to ask that you at least depict violent prison rape as an, I don't know, unpleasant and violent thing?
Even if it just fades to black, it's better than that ridiculous boxing match.
 

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In the manga Wolf Guy, the antagonist rapes and murders one of his own friends because he suspects he has information about the werewolf/protagonist he is determined to kill.

Further on in the series, the main character's love interest is drugged and subjected to a brutal gang rape for several chapters as means of drawing out the werewolf fella.

Guess which one more people complained about?