Man dies protesting helmet law

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Frostbyte666

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It's very simple on a motorbike you wear a helmet and you damn well better wear the rest of the stuff to. These idiots seem to forget that you don't have to cause the accident to be seriously injured in 1, hell I get annoyed when i see bikers going around without wearing any protective gear except helmets, I just think ok if you come off you'll put your hands in front of you to protect yourself and reduce said appendages to red smears on the tarmac. Also yes I am a biker and always wear protective gear no matter how hot it gets because I've come off a few times due to others mistakes.
 

twistedmic

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This has probably already been said, I'm too lazy to read through every message, but his death showed exactly why they have helmet laws in the first place: To try and save lives.
Helmet laws are like the motorcycle equivalent of seat belt laws for cars.
 

Nudu

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Blitzwing said:
Nudu said:
Blitzwing said:
Well every human life is protected by law and you can spout all that bullshit about ?freedom? all you want but even freedom has limits and this is one of them.
And the line is drawn at cheetos! Those a terrible for you.

I have a very clear-cut line between security and freedom: Harming others is not okay, what you do to your own body is your business.
And this sort of thing doesn?t harm others? What about this man?s friends and family? Don?t they matter? Why should others grieve because someone valued a childish interpretation of freedom more than their own lives?
Like the freedom to eat cheetos? That could kill you. Had he died from an obesity-related cause his family would be grieving as well.
 

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Lilani said:
So, if the seatbelt laws make it so that even just one child gets buckled up a little more often, wouldn't you say it's worth it?
No. Because you can use "if it just saves a SINGLE life, it's worth this small loss of personal freedom argument" to bring back alcohol prohibition (less children will be abused by drunken parents), reducing the speed limit to 30 MPH (50 KPH for you civilized folks who actually use the metric system), and host of other laws that infringe on personal freedoms or are flat-out ridiculous (the insanely low speed limit isn't really a infringement on personal freedom as much as it is just a really stupid idea).

The argument "this helps to prevent children from picking up stupid habits from their parents" can also be used to justify all SORTS of infringements of individual rights. California recently decided that it was necessary to protect children from parents who were too stupid to keep track of what video games their kids were playing, for example. The Supreme Court of the United States disagreed. Well, seven of them did, anyway.

Lilani said:
And if it's not, just think about all the revenue police departments pull in with those tickets. We could always use a little more money these days. Just don't be stupid, and those tickets will never cost you a dime. And you have the satisfaction of knowing that all over the country, there are actually people who are having to reach into their own wallets to pay for their stupidity! How often do you get to see that happen?
Using laws to generate revenues distorts incentives for the law enforcement. It's generally a HORRIBLE idea, because the police than have an incentive to focus on violations of the law that generate the most money rather than the ones that pose the greatest threat to the general public. We run into this all the time with red-light cameras. When the cameras don't produce the revenue that the companies promise, townships often reduce the amount of time that the light is yellow, even though this leads to MORE accidents. Police should be incentivized, as much as possible, to arrest people who violate the rights of others (muggers, rapists, murderers, etc). Asset forfeiture are another example: police focused more on dope growers, and had less manpower to utilize on dealing with violent offenses.
 

CrazyGirl17

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...Here's your sign.

Seriously, that's a pretty stupid thing to do. Hopefully, people will learn from this...
 

Nudu

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Blitzwing said:
Nudu said:
Blitzwing said:
Nudu said:
Blitzwing said:
Well every human life is protected by law and you can spout all that bullshit about ?freedom? all you want but even freedom has limits and this is one of them.
And the line is drawn at cheetos! Those a terrible for you.

I have a very clear-cut line between security and freedom: Harming others is not okay, what you do to your own body is your business.
And this sort of thing doesn?t harm others? What about this man?s friends and family? Don?t they matter? Why should others grieve because someone valued a childish interpretation of freedom more than their own lives?
Like the freedom to eat cheetos? That could kill you. Had he died from an obesity-related cause his family would be grieving as well.
Yes but at least in the scenario his family and friends could try to get him to eat healthier.
And wear a helmet when he's riding his motorcycle.
 

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AHHHHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....HA...hehe... Whooo This made my day, thanks. All that aside I'm all for no helmet laws, freedom to choose how safe you want to be etc.
 

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Thaius said:
He was stupid; purposefully riding without a helmet was pretty dumb. But I actually agree with him. The problem with both the helmet and seat belt laws is that the only person at risk is the one not wearing one of the aforementioned equipment. American government is intended to allow freedom, essentially meaning that you can do whatever idiotic thing you want as long as it's not going to hurt someone else, which is why things like murder and theft are illegal but licking a spark plug is not. Laws are not supposed to keep us safe from ourselves, they're supposed to keep us safe from others and others safe from us.

Issue being, sometimes we forget to put on a seatbelt. Or perhaps we lost our helmet. And we end up needing to pay a ticket because we had the audacity to put ourselves, and no one else, at risk, probably just because of forgetfulness or something. I don't see that as in line with the constitution or generally okay on principle for a country that was formed specifically with freedom in mind.
Just a quick point, a person not wearing a seat belt can endanger others specifically anyone in the car with them. If they are in a serious accident there have been cases of an unbelted person bouncing around the car and seriously injuring or kill the others in the car.

So yeah, thats a good law.
 

Spygon

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It was his choice and he died because of it.I support his freedom of choice to wear a helmet but then he suffered the conquences of his choice so moving on
 

Tilted_Logic

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I'm afraid I don't understand why you wouldn't want to wear a helmet. I've been privy to more than one motorcyclist getting hit in the face by a bird/insect when wearing even a half helmet. None of them would ride anywhere without a full face helmet now-a-days.

In that respect I don't comprehend why you'd ride a motorcycle without any form of head protection, sure you can say you "won't crash" but the general rule is 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst'. Not to mention wind at high speed without any face protection is not all it's cracked up to be.

In some ways I can support freedom of choice, but really if you're going to choose to ride without a helmet, you shouldn't expect extensive medical care. I'm not paying taxes to keep stupidity on the road.

Edit: Actually around here you can legally drive a motorcycle at age 15, and people tend to assume they're indestructible during their teenage years. Being forced to wear a helmet by law could mean the difference between a cocky kid not seeing tomorrow and surviving to ride another day. So if people really want the freedom of choice, I'd be more inclined to understand a mandatory helmet law until age 18; at least kids might have an appreciation for protection by then.
 

Not G. Ivingname

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solidsnake101023 said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43624650/ns/us_news-life/?gt1=43001

Apparently he fell off his motorcycle and died when he struck his head. Having a helmet on would have saved his life. Share your thoughts
This case does I think prove my point on these kind of laws, basically "We shouldn't have laws to protect the lives of idiots."
 

Gamblerjoe

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ravensheart18 said:
Gamblerjoe said:
I knew that people would make comments on how this is an ironic death. Irony is when you get the opposite of what you expect, usually in a figurative kind of way. When someone opts to take the more dangerous option in a situation, and dies because of it, that is the opposite of irony.

This has been a public service announcement from Gamblerjoe to you.
No, the irony is that he and others claim there is no need for a helmet, then in trying to prove that he proved he was wrong.
being wrong isnt ironic. its just being wrong.
 

Mr.Numbers

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Thaius said:
He was stupid; purposefully riding without a helmet was pretty dumb. But I actually agree with him. The problem with both the helmet and seat belt laws is that the only person at risk is the one not wearing one of the aforementioned equipment. American government is intended to allow freedom, essentially meaning that you can do whatever idiotic thing you want as long as it's not going to hurt someone else, which is why things like murder and theft are illegal but licking a spark plug is not. Laws are not supposed to keep us safe from ourselves, they're supposed to keep us safe from others and others safe from us.

Issue being, sometimes we forget to put on a seatbelt. Or perhaps we lost our helmet. And we end up needing to pay a ticket because we had the audacity to put ourselves, and no one else, at risk, probably just because of forgetfulness or something. I don't see that as in line with the constitution or generally okay on principle for a country that was formed specifically with freedom in mind.
What about the family and friends you leave behind that are affected by your laziness or absent minddedness?

Also there was a darwin award exactly like this a while back, but about a seatbelt advocate instead of helmets.
 

shedra

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I laughed at this for about two or three minutes. Then I moved on with my day. Fuck him, and fuck everyone else who doesn't want to wear a helmet on a motorcycle. No sympathy at all.