Wicky_42 said:
Well, I guess you could source all your news about current events from Escapist forum posts, but I prefer to read around a little, noting stories of journalists trying to cover the Occupy crackdown being arrested or detained, reports on Whitehouse backed violence against peaceful protestors as part of an organised, systemic intimidation campaign against those willing to speak up against the American government's continuous, unquestioning support of entrenched corporate interests that played counterpoint to the American medias' constant derision of the movement and continuous peddling of lies and misinformation to suppress a civil protest that as far as I can see is in the best interests of everyone bar (surprise surprise) those very few with exorbitant wealth and the obscene power and political clout that goes with it.
"-Libya-wanted democratic elections to occur
-Occupy-were pissed that people weren't voting the way that they want
Conditions"
Libya wanted change. Occupy wanted change - nothing to do with people voting, everything to do with the wealthy who have caused the current economic climate to contribute a proportional share in its recovery. Is that so hard to understand?
I found this fun to read, [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy]with a follow-up here [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec/02/crackdown-occupy-controversy-rebuttal-naomi-wolf]
See, here we go again, in your mind the current economic climate=bad, oppression in Libya=bad, therefore current economic climate=oppression in Libya.
In my mind, the more intelligent occupy protesters can argue something of a point, a point that I disagree with, but it is there. Only the smug, self entitled bastards think that their situation is comparable to that of pro-democracy protesters being gunned down in the streets. Try rereading the comparrisons again. Try comparing the so called violent crackdown to the one that actually happened in Libya.
And while you're at it, try to use a more relaible source next time, because here's a little scoop that I found fun to track, when you're source calls something a shocking truth and paints a vast, shaddowy conspiracy reminiscent of dues ex and uses a site that has the catagory 'uprising' as her evidence it may not be as impartial as you think. The fact that this seemed to be your ace in the hole to immediatly show that a bunch of people well off enough to use their Iphones to track the status of their protest were in the same boat as democracy protesters who, and I know I sound like a broken record on this one, were being gunned down in the fucking streets in the thousands, is worrying. (seriously death toll of occupy wall street crackdown- well I couldn't find one but rest assure that I will edit it in if you find it. death toll of Libyan civil war 25-30000 with 4000 still unnacounted for.)
Forgive me if I'm leary of people telling me what occupy... wanted? We're using the past term now? Well at least even the supporters are now admitting the whole thing has faded like a fart in the wind. Sorry, diversion, leary of people telling me what occupy wanted because so many of you were insistent of the fact that you had no consistent message. I went by occupy melbourne and was told that so long as I was angry, I was a part of occupy, but when I indicated a desire to occupy occupy melbourne until they left, it did not go down well.
I also like the snide little comment about my reading sources, no proof, no indications as to why you think this so, only the hope that the world fits into the little hole that you have set for it, where the government is evil and faceless, the protesters heroic freedom fighters and all of your opponents either shills for the corporate overlords or simply missinformed, waiting for your superior knowledge to come and rescue them.
Finally and somewhat hiliariously, what motivated me to post in the first place; the thread title. Marines desecrate insurgent corpse. No mention to libya, no mention of occupy wall street and no mention of corporations. The only rational conclusion that I can come to is that you have some sort of echelon type system installed on your computer that gives you a popup everytime brown people, Americans, guns and the chance of a protest come together.
You and your freinds are not in the same league as the Libyan protests/civil war, it is really obvious to anyone outside of the movement and so next time that little box pops up on your screen telling you that Pakistan is considering an official protest about... you know what, I'm going to kill that joke right there, because I am having trouble thinking of a less relevent threat to your cause than this one right here. All I'm asking is that when that box comes up and asks if you want to try to puff up your self indulgent, entitled cause, please please please, look at where you're doing it and don't try to compare yourself to people who died, fucking
died in their thousands in an attempt to get the basic rights that you take for granted, even the ones that you had before OWS came by and fixed everything. In the before times, in the long long ago.
