Marines posed with Nazi SS symbol in Afghanistan

[Mycroft Holmes]

It's not the wrong colour, just like none of the flags I posted as examples for you are the wrong font.

Well wikipedia/google images quite clearly show that it is, so I don't know what to tell you... except to stop ignoring reality?

Give me one legitimate reason why changing the colour of the flag would change its meaning? What has writing the double sig rune on a blue flag ever meant which might distinguish it from the more common black flag?

That sounds like a really good question that you should take up with yourself:

Spoiler

Jihadists most commonly use the shahada written on a black or white flag, often embellished with swords or a circle in another colour (for example yellow, in the case of Al-Qaeda in Iraq).

And you're not comparing like with like at all. The shahada is the most important prayer in Islam, it appears quite legitimately on the flag of Saudi Arabia (which is green).

Because you clearly seem to believe that magically a flag used by those who caused 9/11 becomes 'legitimized' when it's used in green instead of black or yellow.

As mentioned, it's a German occult symbol from the turn of the 20th century. It has no relevance to American people whatsoever except that a person ignorant of its origin might read it as a letter 'S'.

Nope, it's a English/Norse runic script from between 550-750 AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune

And 26% of the entire English language is comprised of words derived from Germanic languages, so it's quite relevant.

So what you're saying is that you don't give a shit about Armenians, because they aren't Jewish? That's pretty insensitive of you to ignore a genocide brought about under an authority that used that flag.

Again.. please compare like with like. I know you were wrong first time and it's hard to deal with, but this is dumb and I can't be bothered with it.

Considering that half a million civilians are estimated to have died in Vietnam due to the widespread of use of defoliants by the US, not even considering the effects of conventional bombing and actual military action in the country. I think we can safely say that that if you're going to follow this line of logic, then we should ban practically all national flags.

So your argument is that symbols of Jewish oppression should never be used, but symbols of Vietnamese oppression are perfectly ok? Does this mean that you believe Jews inherently have more worth than the Vietnamese or the Armenians?

I'm not advocating that, because national flags have alternate significance, the double sig rune really doesn't.

Ok so, you'd be fine with them using a swastika for their flag, because it was a national flag and despite being the flag of a country that caused a genocide it also has alternate significance. Good to hear it, I think a swastika would look great on a marine flag.

Is there still NO REASON to do it?

Yeah, and you should also support and allow paedophilia because theoretically if aliens arrived and threatened to blow up the planet unless you personally had sex with a small boy, you'd probably do it.

Are you saying that you would doom the whole world to destruction by our alien overlords?

"Unreasonable" doesn't ever mean that.

Well then I suppose its great for me that you never ever used the word unreasonable, so putting quotes around that and pretending you did is explicitly lying. What you actually said is: "There's absolutely no excuse or reason to use it."

Reason(Noun): a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event.
Unreasonable(Adjective): Not guided by or based on good sense and or beyond the limits of acceptability/fairness.

There is a quite distinct different between saying "unreasonable" and saying "absolutely no reason."

It means unreasonable for the circumstances, for the world we happen to live in and the prevailing context in which these actions might occur. It is unreasonable in that world, and no shitty attempts to invent hypothetical scenarios will cover for that.

What circumstances? You assume you know absolutely everything there is to know about the background of this incident and the Sniper Scouts over the course of 30-40 years. That's a lot of knowledge to have about something pretty inane. Far more knowledge than can be garnered from reading a single news article.

Seriously, it's an SS flag. It has no meaning except as an SS flag

And as part of the symbol of the band Kiss. And as a flag for Scout Sniper for some 30-40 years. Which are examples I have gotten from this thread alone, I'm sure there are more out there.

and symbol of the extreme right.

The 'Right' in its current usage in the US refers to those who belief in a set of policies that reduce expenditure in the public sector by government forces and reduce taxes as well. Nazi Germany was characteristically Socialist(Obvious to anyone who took the time to learn that Nazi means National Socialist German Workers' Party.) Their rise was marked by increased taxation on the population, and the heavy control and taxation of businesses in order to support a series of welfare and infrastructure projects to support the growth of a middle class. Actions that are explicitly anti-right wing.

It's not even latin script. You aren't going to change that through denial.

Yeah you're right. Because as the forums etymologists have mentioned before it's a English/Norse runic script from between 550-750 AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune

If you can't maintain respect for people who make mistakes because they also do an incredibly difficult job under extreme pressure, then I'm sorry to point out that planet Earth is inevitably going to disappoint you. Noone is perfect, and if you're willing to forget that because it's more comforting to imagine that your military personnel can do no wrong, then I think you've lost the right to try and lecture anyone about genocide.

What does this have to do with anything besides your imagined belief about what I'm saying? You should probably try taking a fucking hour to actually read the thread before you spout a bunch of bullshit.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

Everyone is this thread is an idiot. Yes, even you!
CLEARLY the marines were merely displaying their love and admiration for Sylvester Stallone, who is well known to be a future cyborg from alternate Nazi universe, where he gained control of the party, and led it to be an organization of Truth, Justice, and the Nigerian Way, before the evil wizard banished him to our world, where he was doomed to only be a movie star, while the Nazi's were taken over by his sinister third cousin, just to be a jerk, perverting all of Stallone's totally badass symbols and imagery from the alternate universe into ugly hateful badges of racism.

or maybe i'm not remembering my quantum mega-history correctly....

 

[Terminal Blue]

Well wikipedia/google images quite clearly show that it is, so I don't know what to tell you... except to stop ignoring reality?

Oh well. If you don't understand how military flags work, I don't think there's much we can do for you.

Because you clearly seem to believe that magically a flag used by those who caused 9/11 becomes 'legitimized' when it's used in green instead of black or yellow.

Yes, because it becomes the flag of Saudi Arabia as recognized by millions of people and the international community.

Nope, it's a English/Norse runic script from between 550-750 AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune

Sowilo rune =/= sig rune.

The sig rune was largely invented by this guy. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List]

That's a sig rune. You can tell because it appears on an SS flag.

So your argument is that symbols of Jewish oppression should never be used, but symbols of Vietnamese oppression are perfectly ok? Does this mean that you believe Jews inherently have more worth than the Vietnamese or the Armenians?

No, I just don't think a national flag is the same as the flag of a far right organization whose only relevant historical role was carrying out genocide.

If you can't see the difference, then I give up.

Ok so, you'd be fine with them using a swastika for their flag, because it was a national flag and despite being the flag of a country that caused a genocide it also has alternate significance. Good to hear it, I think a swastika would look great on a marine flag.

See bolded section.

Are you saying that you would doom the whole world to destruction by our alien overlords?

No. Why does it matter?

For fuck's sake, read.

There is a quite distinct different between saying "unreasonable" and saying "absolutely no reason."

Sorry..

un = prefix of negation.
reasonable = from the latin 'rationabilis', meaning to possess reason ('ratio', in Latin)
reason = direct English translation of the Latin 'ratio' (via old French)

Unreasonable = 'without possessing reason'. Literally.

You assume you know absolutely everything there is to know about the background of this incident and the Sniper Scouts over the course of 30-40 years.

No, and neither does anyone. Neither, for that matter, does anyone need to. The basic facts are relatively self-evident.

And as part of the symbol of the band Kiss. And as a flag for Scout Sniper for some 30-40 years. Which are examples I have gotten from this thread alone, I'm sure there are more out there.

It's clearly neither of those things.

The symbol of the band Kiss is the word 'Kiss' written in a stylized font in which the letter 's' looks a little like a sig rune (except it's not, because it's a letter s), except in Germany where the font was changed.

The scout snipers do not have an official symbol or flag. The fact that some have chosen to use this symbol in their own material means as much as me drawing a swastika on the union flag and claiming that it's the actual union flag. It's meaningless, the corps and its command structure decides its own symbolism, individual soldiers don't. If they want to use the SS symbol, then they do so as individuals.

Actions that are explicitly anti-right wing.

Are you saying that the fucking republican party is the only political organization allowed to be described as "right wing"..

Jesus Christ..

Okay, let's play to your delusions and forget the term right wing. The SS flag is still used widely today by neo-fascist, white racist and ultra-nationalist organizations (or whatever terminology you want to use to describe those people to try and weasel out of having to deal with the actual point). It still has a existing meaning in global politics.

Do you not see any problem with the branch of the armed forces in a multicultural and democratic country employing a symbol still aligned with neo-fascism and white racism?

I don't understand.. what the fuck are you people so invested in that makes you so completely incapable of basic logic or even basic reading. I had hoped to engage with whatever military frotting impulse makes you so immensely stupid, but clearly it's not going to work.

So one more chance. Let's see if you can work it out this time.

 

[Superbeast]

The 'Right' in its current usage in the US refers to those who belief in a set of policies that reduce expenditure in the public sector by government forces and reduce taxes as well. Nazi Germany was characteristically Socialist (Obvious to anyone who took the time to learn that Nazi means National Socialist German Workers' Party.) Their rise was marked by increased taxation on the population, and the heavy control and taxation of businesses in order to support a series of welfare and infrastructure projects to support the growth of a middle class. Actions that are explicitly anti-right wing.

Yeah, and North Korea is the finest example of a democratic republic in the known world (obvious to anyone who took the time to learn that the full name of the country means the Democratic People's Republic of Korea)!

The Nazis were not Socialist by any definition. Trying to use modern US standards to judge what is "right wing" and "left wing" is asinine, the terms "right" and "left" have international significance; and further trying to use it to describe the Nazis as socialist defies all knowledge of history.

Socialism is a system wherein the workers control/own the means of production & corporate management of the economy - something which most certainly did not happen in Nazi Germany. Taxation, welfare and infrastructure can (at a push) be described as socialistic, but to describe such as socialism is simply wrong.

The captcha is saying "eenuff here," so I guess I'll have to stop.

 

[Sarge034]

Oh, and my sticking my middle finger at them does not mean I'm saying Fuck you. No no no.

No, to me it means "Good job boys". Yeah, that's it...

In some parts of the world the middle finger has no meaning, so..... yea it could mean "good job boys" if you wanted it to.

Another example is giving an "OK" sign. In some parts of the world it means "good job" or "I approve". While in other parts of the world it is like giving the middle finger to someone in western society.

Just for fun here are some more.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16335_7-innocent-gestures-that-can-get-you-killed-overseas.html

Context..... It is very important.

As for the picture, they are scout snipers. Their initials and emblem are SS. Why is this a problem? I don't hear people complaining about "KISS".

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I lol'ed.
Then I facepalmed... mostly at herpy comments.
...OH, CAPCHA, HOW I HAVE NOT MISSED YOU.

 

[Zayren]

*lollies outie*

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

It resembles the symbol, but its not precise. Not sure how the people who made that flag didn't realize it. Oh well.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Well wikipedia/google images quite clearly show that it is, so I don't know what to tell you... except to stop ignoring reality?

Oh well. If you don't understand how military flags work, I don't think there's much we can do for you.

Easy, the same way all flags work. You make them all pretty, put them up on a flag pole and they whip around because slight or large changes in the win patterns. And then idiots flip out over whats on them or what happens to them because they are super invested in something that doesn't mean shit.

Because you clearly seem to believe that magically a flag used by those who caused 9/11 becomes 'legitimized' when it's used in green instead of black or yellow.

Yes, because it becomes the flag of Saudi Arabia as recognized by millions of people and the international community.

So if all it takes for something to become inoffensive is for it to be recognized by millions of people, why don't you just recognize the SS as legitimate then and ask everyone else to do so as well? That way people won't be offended by it any more. Or did you want people to be offended by it? Because that seems kind of weird of you to wish discomfort on other people, if that's the case.

Nope, it's a English/Norse runic script from between 550-750 AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune

Sowilo rune =/= sig rune.

The sig rune was largely invented by this guy. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List]

That's a sig rune. You can tell because it appears on an SS flag.

Because tilting it slightly is so imaginative that no one else in the history of anything ever could possibly come up with that?

So your argument is that symbols of Jewish oppression should never be used, but symbols of Vietnamese oppression are perfectly ok? Does this mean that you believe Jews inherently have more worth than the Vietnamese or the Armenians?

No, I just don't think a national flag is the same as the flag of a far right organization whose only relevant historical role was carrying out genocide.

If you can't see the difference, then I give up.

Ok so, you'd be fine with them using a swastika for their flag, because it was a national flag and despite being the flag of a country that caused a genocide it also has alternate significance. Good to hear it, I think a swastika would look great on a marine flag.

See bolded section.

So if Nazi Germany kept the swastika as their flag and went around calling Jews liars and denying the holocaust, you would be totally cool with that. Good to know.

Are you saying that you would doom the whole world to destruction by our alien overlords?

No. Why does it matter?

For fuck's sake, read.

Because you said there is "no reason," which is frankly explicitly untrue; I can think of hundreds of cases that would be reason to do so for 99.999% of the population.

There is a quite distinct different between saying "unreasonable" and saying "absolutely no reason."

Sorry..

un = prefix of negation.
reasonable = from the latin 'rationabilis', meaning to possess reason ('ratio', in Latin)
reason = direct English translation of the Latin 'ratio' (via old French)

Unreasonable = 'without possessing reason'. Literally.

I am a drug dealer. Some guy stole a very small amount of my drugs(a dollars worth) so I beat him to death with a tire iron. I had a reason to do so(In order to keep my image so that people don't think they can press me further) so you can't say there was no reason to do it. However it was highly unreasonable to do so, because another punishment could easily have been effected instead.

If you can't tell the difference then you should probably take some English classes at your local community college, or get around to passing highschool.

You assume you know absolutely everything there is to know about the background of this incident and the Sniper Scouts over the course of 30-40 years.

No, and neither does anyone. Neither, for that matter, does anyone need to. The basic facts are relatively self-evident.

Just like it was relatively self-evident to people that the sun rotated around the earth. And then we took the time to actually learn facts about things instead of spending two seconds to make a gut call based on superficialities, and realized we were horribly wrong.

And as part of the symbol of the band Kiss. And as a flag for Scout Sniper for some 30-40 years. Which are examples I have gotten from this thread alone, I'm sure there are more out there.

It's clearly neither of those things.

The symbol of the band Kiss is the word 'Kiss' written in a stylized font in which the letter 's' looks a little like a sig rune (except it's not, because it's a letter s), except in Germany where the font was changed.

Ok so stylized font counts but background color changes don't... riiiight.

Actions that are explicitly anti-right wing.

Are you saying that the fucking republican party is the only political organization allowed to be described as "right wing"..

The republican party is tentatively right wing at best. Neoconservatives rule the party for the most part and are in favor of increased public spending backed either with 'borrowed' money or by printing new money which is a discrete form of taxation as it devalues the currency as a whole. Most governments tend towards the left, as it were, because economic controls translate directly into authoritarian power.

The SS flag is still used widely today by neo-fascist, white racist and ultra-nationalist organizations

And the shahada is used widely today by murderous, woman-beating terrorists. Yet you have no problem with that. Because you're able to realize that people can mean different things with the same symbol... oh except marines, when they use symbols it's because they are all secretly racists.

Do you not see any problem with the branch of the armed forces in a multicultural and democratic country employing a symbol still aligned with neo-fascism and white racism?

I leave symbols to the symbol-minded. I give absolutely zero shits about what flag they wave around unless they are explicitly being racist. Tell me when the Scout Snipers start lynching darkies or spouting neo-nazi rhetoric. Because until that point, you're just making a big fucking deal out of an arbitrary picture.

I don't understand.. what the fuck are you people so invested in that makes you so completely incapable of basic logic or even basic reading. I had hoped to engage with whatever military frotting impulse makes you so immensely stupid, but clearly it's not going to work.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

 

[a ginger491]

It's finding a picture like this that proves to me how ignorant people are sometimes

 

[y1fella]

I've never seen the SS logo before in my life and i consider myself a non retarded guy. to lightning shaped S's seems like a fairly obvious logo choice for scout snipers.
It just seems to me that people want to find reasons to hate the army.
for the record I'm not a complete dumass, I read history books and quite enjoyed On Peliliu with the old breed.

 

[boyvirgo666]

I know alot of marines and they are that dumb. Not all marines are that dumb but a lot of them are. Its the army of one mentality and constantly telling them they are the best that breeds that.

"Army of one" is the Army's little slogan.

You might know some "dumb" people who ended up marines, but that's people. Not marines.

As for "telling them they are the best"... how else do you think, throughout millenia of wars, nations have been able to convince men to put their lives on the line? By pumping them up, getting them motivated, tapping the aggression they will need to survive a combat situation. That's right -- actual combat doesn't favor the "smarter" or "more pensive" combatant. It favors the more aggressive and confident one.

While that kind of personality doesn't often win friends during peacetime, at least try to recognize that it is absolutely critical during war time. And you can't wait until wartime to get it started, unfortunately.

Try to understand it a bit. War requires different tools than peace. You don't use a hammer to saw wood, but a saw doesn't just assume a hammer is "too stupid."

hm your right. Army of one thing is army. But my point still stands.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

The 'Right' in its current usage in the US refers to those who belief in a set of policies that reduce expenditure in the public sector by government forces and reduce taxes as well. Nazi Germany was characteristically Socialist (Obvious to anyone who took the time to learn that Nazi means National Socialist German Workers' Party.) Their rise was marked by increased taxation on the population, and the heavy control and taxation of businesses in order to support a series of welfare and infrastructure projects to support the growth of a middle class. Actions that are explicitly anti-right wing.

Yeah, and North Korea is the finest example of a democratic republic in the known world (obvious to anyone who took the time to learn that the full name of the country means the Democratic People's Republic of Korea)!

Ok, I concede that point, It takes more study for someone to realize that the Nazis were socialists.

The Nazis were not Socialist by any definition. Trying to use modern US standards to judge what is "right wing" and "left wing" is asinine, the terms "right" and "left" have international significance; and further trying to use it to describe the Nazis as socialist defies all knowledge of history.

The Nazis were most definitely socialist by everyone's definition in the 1930s, and I would argue it is the same right now. Read literature on socialism from the 1930s. There were two main branches, Communism and the newly founded and much favored by the UK and France's respective intelligentsia Fascism.

Socialism is a system wherein the workers control/own the means of production & corporate management of the economy - something which most certainly did not happen in Nazi Germany. Taxation, welfare and infrastructure can (at a push) be described as socialistic, but to describe such as socialism is simply wrong.

From wikipedia: Socialism is an economic system characterized by social ownership or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system.

Communism is a system(not yet achieved on this earth) wherein there is no money, no classes, no state and everyone shares in the ownership of everything. Socialism may have had a different definition before(Much in the same way the term liberal slowly evolved to become libertarian, while conversely the anti-federalists became the democratic-republican party became the democrat party who are somehow liberals despite being only tentatively in favor of the original ideas of liberalism,) but we have to go on how socialist governments are actually run and not theory.

Socialism is and has always been a government control of the economy. Under a socialist system the idea is that the social ownership and control of the economy is effected through the government that is elected by the people. Thus if the people control the government then the people control the management of the economy. The one-party statism is simply a by-product of most socialist systems. Both Hitler and the Nazi party were elected by popular support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932 and controlled the economy through popular support.

Look at other governments that are declared socialist and widely accepted socialist governments now. Unless of course you think they aren't socialist governments either(at which point it becomes a bankrupted term because communism already fills the slot you're trying to put it in.) The USSR, was democratically elected both before and after they took power.

After they were elected they controlled the economy entirely directly, through political commissars. That's what socialism is, government controlled economy(for increased understanding: communism is stateless by definition and thus no government actually controls the economy, however communism has never actually existed in practice, even the soviets freely admitted they were just socialists who hoped one day to be communists.) Now look at Germany, the government was formed in the same way as the socialist governments, with the same economic controls. The German government told the private business owners exactly what to build, how much of it to build, and the Nazis took whatever they wanted from those businesses economically as well as paying for the costs of those businesses continued livelihood.

To put it in a different perspective it would be like saying "I own this house" and having the title in your name. But you don't pay the bills on it, the government does. The government gets to choose what furniture is in your house, if you don't like it they can kick you out, you have to do whatever they say whenever you are inside 'your' house. They have the right to burn down your house, knock out walls, take away anything you have inside. Do you really own the house?

This is a video game forum so I'm assuming you're familiar with 'the sims'. Who is in charge of what happens in that game? Is it the sims because they are the main characters of the game and appear to be in charge? Or is it the player sitting back and pulling all the strings making every real decision?

Saying that the Nazis were capitalists is like saying a slaughterhouse is run by the cows because the meat is really theirs.

An apt article on the reasons why Nazism is Socialism is http://mises.org/daily/1937

The main trust of his/my argument would be

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

 

[GoaThief]

/snip

Your far-right propaganda is getting ridiculous now, pack it in man. Republicans are virtually central, neocons subscribe to left-wing economics?

You are a funny guy though, I'll give you that.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

/snip

Your far-right propaganda is getting ridiculous now, pack it in man.

If its far-right propaganda shouldn't I be making value judgements on which system is better? Because I'm pretty sure thus far I haven't said a thing about that, except to identify governments as being on one side or the other. Is it not possible for you to divide different ideas into different mental compartmentalizations? An economic policy is not explicitly evil just because the same people who first used it also murdered a bunch of Jews. Unless you want to get into a causality argument which I think is irrelevant for the purposes of this track of discussion.

Republicans are virtually central, neocons subscribe to left-wing economics?

A better explanation on that matter is that the republicans are essentially bipolar. When the party is not in power they become conservatives, in order to build support for their next election. They advocate tax decreases, cutting back on government spending, they boycott bills that do otherwise.

When they actually gain power a disconnect between their rhetoric and their actions appears as they shift left. Voting in socialistic bills, an example is the No Child Left Behind Act(in 2001 with a Republican president and republican congress) which both increased the government funding and regulation of education. The republicans when given power tend to lower taxes sparingly if at all for most people(but more markedly for the rich.) They do vote in socialistic measures, but they save their image as 'capitalists,' by refusing to actually raise taxes. There are two ways that they 'pay' for it.

One method is borrowing money and running up a deficit. They then pawn that off on the democrats, saying that its their fault spending is out of control, despite the fact that its their votes and their policies that caused the budget deficit. Which hilariously everyone buys because how could the Republicans say they are conservatives if they are the ones voting in measures that quadruple spending in a public sector? Clearly they are really conservatives and it's those darn democrats faults; I mean it's unimaginable that the republicans are lying to us and getting away with it, right?.... right?

The second method is to print money willy nilly which is a secret method of taxing because it devalues currency without most people realizing its happening. For example if you has 10,000$ in the year 2000 and you put it aside and did nothing with it until today. When you took your 10k out it would have the same number of bills but it is worth 30% less because the government increased the amount of money in circulation, meaning without knowing it you lost about 2500$.

You are a funny guy though, I'll give you that.

I love you too.

 

[FatTony]

Why is everyone blowing this out of proportion? So the flag kind of looks like a symbol that used to represent something most people consider to not be a good thing, big deal. World War 2 ended like seventy years ago, anyone who's old enough to remember the war past what it says in history books or by word of mouth is dead or too senile to remember what they had for breakfast much less recount events from over half a century ago.

That aside, it's just a flag. Getting all worked up over the pattern emblazoned upon it is just as ridiculous as those people who go into shock if an American flag brushes against the ground ever so slightly. Honestly I'm not surprised that the American media and Americans in general are throwing a massive fit over something so menial, I've come to expect them to overact to every small thing these days.

And before the Americans reading this thread get on my case, I was born, and currently live in the US. So you can stow your comments about me being an ignorant European with a superiority complex. But feel free to call me unpatriotic all you want, because that's actually true.

 

[Soushi]

No real change there then! Fnar Fnar!

Obviously I'm not being serious, but in all seriousness, this is yet another disaster. As if the US military needed yet another incident where they were revealed doing something embarrassing and horrible. Lets see, pissing on dead combatants, bombing civilians, shooting civilians, racist comments, fuck up tactics, mistreatment of prisoners, ect ect ect. And even if this symbol does not exactly conform to the real SS, right or wrong, the fact that it is even close will obviously make people react badly. As horrible as it sounds, when you are in the business of killing people for a living, in a country that doesn't want you there, with the rest of the world kinda pissed off at you, you really need to be careful with what you are doing and what kind of messages you are trying to put out.

Guys, can I speak to the entire US military as a whole, especially the commanders. Seriously, do yourselves a favor, stop attacking other countries, go home and sit down in a corner for a while and have a very long a well thought out discussion about what you are doing!