Mass Effect 2 Character Dying Questions *spoilers*

[Korten12]

Alright, so on my first play through everyone lived, now this time I think everyone lived. At the ending it didn't say anyone died but my Sheperd said "We lost people today" or something like that and I swear the team that was protecting the door, one of them got shot.

Does it tell you if they're dead at the end and how can I mainly make sure? (cause I don't know if you can use the dead teammates after the ending as you might do stuff that doesn't effect 3...)

 

[Hader]

If someone died at the door, the game will give you a hint at that before you escape. You will also see the coffins in the ship in the ending cutscene after talking to TIM. And if you still don't know who died by then, just go to your terminal and check your team status from there.

Could also be that he is talking about the Normandy crew members lost, if you didn't follow the collectors fast enough.

 

[zfactor]

If there are coffins in the end sequence, some people died. You can also check the "Team Status" on your computer and dead people are red. If nobody is red, nobody died.

The Paragon options involve saying stuff like "We lost good people" and "We will lose more people" etc. It's just your Shepard being nice. Unfortunatly, Bioware didn't change the dialogue if everyone lived...

 

[FinalDream]

You get an achievement for saving them all. Did you get it?

 

[akibawall95]

When you beat the game you can continue playing just see if you have all of your teammates. And all of my people lived but I think (but I am not 100% sure) one of them got shot but lived.

 

[Nimcha]

When you beat the game you can continue playing just see if you have all of your teammates. And all of my people lived but I think (but I am not 100% sure) one of them got shot but lived.

Yeah, in my playthrough Miranda got shot but lived.

 

[Icarion (aka Stockholm)]

How do you save every one? I did all the loyalty missions and yet Legion and maybe one other person died. Just curious.

 

[DustyDrB]

Go to your private terminal and check the team status. I think it is implied that maybe some crew members that we never saw did die, because I'm pretty sure Shepard says that line regardless. You can restart the Suicide Mission, it should be the first option on the load menu.

Given that you did all the loyalty missions and went to the collector base ASAP, everyone should be alive if you went through the base as follows:

Ventilation tunnel: Tali, Legion, or Kasumi

Other team leader (applies every time you choose the other team's leader): Jacob, Miranda, or Garrus

Escort the crew back to the Normandy: Tali or Mordin (if you want to take both of them with you at the very end, then you can pick anyone else. If either of the two is left behind with the rest to defend the position while you take out the Reaper baby, they will die)

Biotic protection: Jack or Samara

Who to take with you at the final section of the mission: You're going to have Tali, Mordin, or both left by this point. Whoever of the two is there must come with you if you want them to live.

I think that covers it.

Like I said, I think Shepard says you lost people regardless of how many of your team died, if any. Another thing is that Thane always says that "all survivors" are on board the Normandy. Don't fret. As long as you followed the steps above, everyone will be alive.

 

[TheAceTheOne]

If you did missions between the time your crew is captured and you enter the Omega 4 Relay, you'll lose some or all of your crew (Only guaranteed survivor is Doctor Chakwas.) Other than that, I couldn't say, as Garrus, Thane, and Jack died in my playthrough.

 

[Chomajig]

During the final mission you can keep everyone alive but Commander Shepherd will always say that you lost people. Hope this helps

 

[RobCoxxy]

Yeah, I'm guessing he means the crew you see get absolutely butchered during the Joker section.

 

[Korten12]

If there are coffins in the end sequence, some people died. You can also check the "Team Status" on your computer and dead people are red. If nobody is red, nobody died.

oh, good to hear, just checked, nobody is red.

 

[akibawall95]

How do you save every one? I did all the loyalty missions and yet Legion and maybe one other person died. Just curious.

Here is how.

Spoiler

Fully upgrade the Normandy. When selecting a leader send Garrus Miranda. Do all of the loyalty missions. For the first part of the final mission send Legion or Tali. Then when you find your crew send Mordin (this is the best I do not know why). Then the next time you choose a leader choose one of the ones I mentioned before. When choosing a biotic specialist choose Samara. Then when you select two teammates to join you to beat the reaper leave Wrex, Zaeed, and Jacob no matter what. And I think that is about it.

 

[Altorin]

How do you save every one? I did all the loyalty missions and yet Legion and maybe one other person died. Just curious.

Here is how.

Spoiler

Fully upgrade the Normandy. When selecting a leader send Garrus Miranda. Do all of the loyalty missions. For the first part of the final mission send Legion or Tali. Then when you find your crew send Mordin (this is the best I do not know why). Then the next time you choose a leader choose one of the ones I mentioned before. When choosing a biotic specialist choose Samara. Then when you select two teammates to join you to beat the reaper leave Wrex, Zaeed, and Jacob no matter what. And I think that is about it.

Mordin is the best to send back because he has an annoying knack of dying while he holds the line. So, unless you're going to take him with you to fight the last boss, send him back with the crew.

As for who died, if no team mates died, then remember that some crew members do die, in the scene that reveals them being liquified and sucked into tubes, and others may have been killed in the assault on the normandy. If you make it through the relay quickly enough your main named crew won't die, but some of the unnamed crew always dies.

 

[Icarion (aka Stockholm)]

How do you save every one? I did all the loyalty missions and yet Legion and maybe one other person died. Just curious.

Here is how.

Spoiler

Fully upgrade the Normandy. When selecting a leader send Garrus Miranda. Do all of the loyalty missions. For the first part of the final mission send Legion or Tali. Then when you find your crew send Mordin (this is the best I do not know why). Then the next time you choose a leader choose one of the ones I mentioned before. When choosing a biotic specialist choose Samara. Then when you select two teammates to join you to beat the reaper leave Wrex, Zaeed, and Jacob no matter what. And I think that is about it.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[manythings]

Did you go straight to the collector ship after the Normandy was attacked and the crew taken? If you even made planet fall (or station or whatever(except legion's loyalty mission)) once you lose half the Normandy's crew. If you make three planet falls you lose everyone except Dr. Chakwas.

When you beat the game you can continue playing just see if you have all of your teammates. And all of my people lived but I think (but I am not 100% sure) one of them got shot but lived.

Yeah, in my playthrough Miranda got shot but lived.

Miranda, Jacob and Garrus survive the hit, anyone else dies.


Just for my two cents:

Every loyalty mission has to be resolved and result in Loyalty. If they aren't loyal nothing you can do saves them. All upgrades (I have a breakdown list of who is at risk with each upgrade ignored if anyone cares, if not the short version is the upgrades save three crew members).

First section: The vent run
Specialists: Tali, Legion and Kasumi(If you got the DLC) anyone else, specialist dies
Fire team: Miranda, Jacob and Garrus anyone else specialist dies

Second section: Swarm run
Escort Survivors: Whoever you want, if they are loyal they survive otherwise they die, Mordin is the best one because he has the lowest survival score (you can figure out a score by what a person wears, Mordin and Jack are lowest, Garrus, Jacob and Grunt are highest)
Specialist: Jack or Samara (or morinth but I've never been able to justify siding with her) Anyone else you lose a member of the swarm team but not the specialist
Fire team: Miranda, Jacob or Garrus anyone else you lose fire team leader


Third Section: Hold the line
Shepard's team: Whoever you want really, probably best to pick whoever compliments your abilities best, if they aren't loyal they'll die and you can't stop that
Line team: Whoever remains, If you sent mordin on escort you've minimised the chances of losing anyone, if you brought Tali and Jack (and both are loyal) you've given yourself the best possibly odds of not losing anyone (I think all loyals is a certainty of losing no one but It's possible the game might just say fuck you and kill at random)

I don't think there is anything else you need to keep in mind.

 

[L4Y Duke]

Go to your private terminal and check the team status. I think it is implied that maybe some crew members that we never saw did die, because I'm pretty sure Shepard says that line regardless. You can restart the Suicide Mission, it should be the first option on the load menu.

Given that you did all the loyalty missions and went to the collector base ASAP, everyone should be alive if you went through the base as follows:

Ventilation tunnel: Tali, Legion, or Kasumi

Other team leader (applies every time you choose the other team's leader): Jacob, Miranda, or Garrus

Escort the crew back to the Normandy: Tali or Mordin (if you want to take both of them with you at the very end, then you can pick anyone else. If either of the two is left behind with the rest to defend the position while you take out the Reaper baby, they will die)

Biotic protection: Jack or Samara

Who to take with you at the final section of the mission: You're going to have Tali, Mordin, or both left by this point. Whoever of the two is there must come with you if you want them to live.

I think that covers it.

Like I said, I think Shepard says you lost people regardless of how many of your team died, if any. Another thing is that Thane always says that "all survivors" are on board the Normandy. Don't fret. As long as you followed the steps above, everyone will be alive.

You don't HAVE to send Tali or Moridin back with the crew in order to have everyone survive. I've finished ME2 twice, without the DLC and had everyone come out alive.

And both times, when I've needed an escourt for the crew, I sent Grunt. Granted, when it came time for the final boss I've taken along either Tali or Mordin, but still, you don't need to send one of them back. It helps, but it's not needed.

Mind you, I could have just been lucky.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

So long as every member who holds the line is loyal, it doesn't matter who does it, even the squishies like Tali/Jack/Kasumi/Mordin.

It's only when you're mix 'n' matchin' loyals and non-loyals that you can lose some of those 4.

As for the opening question, considering you see several crew members being hurled across the deck while Joker's duct-crawling, it's safe to assume some of the redshirts died.

 

[WolfThomas]

It's never been really made clear what determines who lives or dies on the line, I've had friends with full loyalties suffer losses. But I figure leaving heavies like Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed increases the chance of survival, I took Miranda and Samara for the last boss.

 

[DustyDrB]

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You don't HAVE to send Tali or Moridin back with the crew in order to have everyone survive. I've finished ME2 twice, without the DLC and had everyone come out alive.

And both times, when I've needed an escourt for the crew, I sent Grunt. Granted, when it came time for the final boss I've taken along either Tali or Mordin, but still, you don't need to send one of them back. It helps, but it's not needed.

Mind you, I could have just been lucky.

I looked it up. It seems you're right. Team members dying (Mordin and Tali are more likely to die) depends on who you leave behind.

From the Mass Effect wiki:

"# Note: The teammates you do not pick are automatically assigned to hold the line from the Collectors. A 'defensive skill' value is calculated for the 'hold the line' group as a whole, based on a defensive value inherent to each character. Loyal characters gain a bonus to this value. If the 'defensive skill' check is not high enough to ensure all characters' survival, squad members will be designated to die based on their vulnerability, with Mordin taking priority if he is present. Leaving behind strong defenders, such as Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed will increase the group's odds of survival. In contrast, certain characters such as Jack, Tali and especially Mordin have less skill in holding their position and should be removed through escort duty or taken along. The entire group will survive as long as the combined defensive skill is high enough, otherwise the game picks a squad member to die based on the scenario of who was left behind and how loyal the group members are. (Squad members who are not loyal are most likely to survive here than anywhere else, provided the group's collective defense skill is high enough, although they will be the first to die if the skill is not.) Leaving behind two strong defenders like Garrus, Grunt, or Zaeed should suffice, provided you haven't lost too many people.

# Note: The order squad members die is as follows: any non-loyal squad members, Mordin, Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Samara/Morinth, Legion, Thane, Zaeed, Grunt "