Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is not victory.

[TheBelgianGuy]

Oh, the tears. I love them so!

I'm so glad that Bioware basically told the "indoctrination ending" to kiss off, and all the pompous windbags who thought that by playing a franchise that they somehow knew it better then the creators to kiss off.

I hope this delicious kick in the teeth reminds all of you that you're fans of an interactive medium, not creators of it, and no matter how interactive the medium is, you're still just an end user.

I hope they go into great detail, fix all the plot holes, and then give you the same three choices you hated before, so that no matter how epic the ending, how epic the scope of the game, and how justified the ending you, that I can still listen to you guys whine and cry.

I have never agreed with anybody so much as I do now.
I salute you, sir.

 

[Joccaren]

Nah, it is entirely possible they could do something like you suggested, give option refuse but end up having to choose one of the endings anyway, because otherwise the reapers would have won. Or something of the sort. They would not alter the endings themselves then. Honestly, the PR stuff for the EC is so vague, they could be cooking up a variety of things. I really hope more people would take a "wait and see" approach instead of condemning it outright. Bioware is trying people. :/

They want to keep their lives. There's a reason they didn't make an April fools statement on an Orange Ending DLC or W/E [That was actually the response On Twitter:
[Some EA Guy]: We've got no idea what to do for April Fools :/
[Some fan]: Say you're releasing a purple ending DLC
[Some EA Guy]: I want to keep my life thank you
]
Giving us the option to not use the Crucible, but then forcing us to use the Crucible anyway is a pointless gesture and would invoke more rage. And besides, there is no problem with the Reapers winning - we were promised a Reaper win ending, but we were never given one [A Bioware employee himself {Not speaking on behalf of Bioware} stated he didn't think the 'Critical Mission Failure' screen at the Crucible counted as a Reapers win ending].

And whilst the PR stuff is vague, there are some things it rules out of the question. A new or changed ending is out of the question. Of course, they lied with some of their pre-release promises for the games, so why not on this too?

 

[DEAD34345]

Yeah, not a victory at all in my opinion. The ending made no sense, extending it isn't going to change that at all. Unfortunately, now that they've decided to do this it's going to make the people asking for a better ending seem unappeasable if they continue to complain, so this is likely what we're stuck with.

It's a shame, especially since there was a perfectly functional ending in the pre-leaked story spoilers, which is presumably what prompted them to change it to this in the first place. There's even some foreshadowing of this original ending in the games, unlike the total ass-pull one we ended up with. I would pay Bioware lots of money if they released that first one as DLC, and they'd regain a lot of my respect.

 

[gusenborge]

Anyone watched this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck&feature=g-vrec&context=G259cbafRVAAAAAAAABQ

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Yeah, not a victory at all in my opinion. The ending made no sense, extending it isn't going to change that at all. Unfortunately, now that they've decided to do this it's going to make the people asking for a better ending seem unappeasable if they continue to complain, so this is likely what we're stuck with.

It's a shame, especially since there was a perfectly functional ending in the pre-leaked story spoilers, which is presumably what prompted them to change it to this in the first place. There's even some foreshadowing of this original ending in the games, unlike the total ass-pull one we ended up with. I would pay Bioware lots of money if they released that first one as DLC, and they'd regain a lot of my respect.

Your complaining doesn't count until we've actually seen what the hell is going to be in the DLC. For whatever we know they might put those things in, since as you've said there basically finished. The only things that have been said about the DLC is that they are adding new cinematics to the ending, they haven't said where they will be placed. Extended cut doesn't always mean an epilogue, it can mean that there is a few more scenes added in the game to justify the plot holes in the ending.

 

[Thoric485]

Artistic integrity?... You're not artistic and you have no integrity.

Sums up why I can't side with EAWare in this.

That said, I don't like their fans either. They deserve each other.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

The one, simple, wish is sense. We just want it to make fucking sense.

Except... Aren't they trying to fix that with this? Because it sure sounds like they are to me...

Also, you really don't speak for all the fans out there, sad to say. Just like that one guy who filed the FTC complaint does not. Many do want Bioware to go back and make a completely different ending.

They're attempting to add clarity to the existing ending...which is only partially what folks were asking for. Closure was sort of the "at the very least" option, since the original ending lacked anything resembling it.

The endings themselves made no sense (as has been reiterated and expounded upon ad nauseam) and, therefore, should have been adjusted so as to, well, make some. I'm reserving judgment on the extended DLC itself, but it's still not what the prevailing opinion of fans was leaning toward.

I'm aware that I don't speak for everyone. I didn't really claim to. Merely trying to dispel some misconceptions about the overarching goals of the folks that are still up in arms over this.

 

[Moth_Monk]

Hurrah! Another thread about DLC that has not been released yet!

For all we know Bioware are bluffing us and this DLC might turn out to be epic.

 

[Crazy Zaul]

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Lando Calrisian wants his mustache back.

 

[thememan]

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Lando Calrisian wants his mustache back.

*twitches*

This... I...

That's from one of the greatest film ever made (If not the greatest film), made over 20 years before the crap that was Star Wars. Orson Welles wants his mustache back is more like it.

 

[Fishyash]

Bioware/EA were stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Honestly I don't really know if this will even accomplish anything. On one hand, the ending is outright broken, and clarification will NOT fix it.

On the other hand, there are other people (gaming press) who are saying the ending SHOULDN'T change due to artistic integrity.

Honestly, this is a situation that Bioware/EA couldn't escape unscathed. Either changing, fixing or leaving the ending as it is would cause complaints.

 

[Jon Shannow]

I hated the ending but I really don't care that much that this isn't a victory. Its a game, I'm not going to get so wound up about it like the hordes of Retake people to spend hours complaining about it.

 

[Acton Hank]

Well from what I can tell, there a 3 types of people when it comes to the ending
-those who will only be satisfied with a happy ending
-those who want the ending redone and better executed, to fix plot holes and have their choices have a larger impact on the ending
-those who simply want some closure as the ending is rather abrupt

So I guess it is a victory for those in the third camp. I'm still suspicious as whether or not this is actually in response to the fanbase, or if that this epilogue was planned from the begging and was either cut so the game would launch on time and it would be given out as free DLC later, or that it was cut to be sold as DLC, but all the negative publicity made them decide to make it free.

Couldn't we have all 3? That's the beauty of multiple endings, If you don't like it you can pick another one.

 

[AbstractStream]

There's still a chance that Bioware will do a damn good job on this DLC. Who knows.

At this point, I'll just take what I can get (that's free). Victory or not.

 

[sms_117b]

*sighs*

Well, I guess nothing is going to please you then.

Honestly, would it have earned them any more respect if they changed the ending from where it stands? I don't think they should change it, just give a bit more explanation on the events that happened and some more insight into what happened to the characters. And from what I gather, that's exactly what this is setting out to do. If they explain everything well, I don't think they should change the ending at all. I wish the indoctrination theory was true, because it would more easily allow for further continuations of the game, but as it stands I think an explanation is the best thing that they could offer without changing the ending just because we say so.

People are going to complain no matter what, so maybe they should just ignore everyone anyway.

It's like you read my mind, this is exactly what I thought when I read the thread title.

I liked the ending, I knew it wasn't going to be a happy one, however I had absolutely no closure to the rest of the galaxy an epilogue was all I wanted and seems to be what I'm getting.

 

[LetalisK]

Deus Ex and it's diverse three endings begat Invisible War. It can be done, doesn't mean it will be good. I always thought that they would make more games in the Mass Effect universe but not directly relating to the trilogy.

Wait, you're kidding, right? Mass Effect 3's endings follow the same formula as Deus Ex. Choose Control, Integrate, or Destroy(A, B, or C), your previous choices don't matter for shit, enjoy a tiny chunk of unique cutscene that lasts less time than it takes me to piss(Bioware went the "extra mile" and padded each ending with a few more minutes of copy/paste since theirs was even shorter) and then sit back and bask in the glorious rushed bullshit you were just handed because the developer ran out of time and/or money. The only reason Deus Ex gets away with this, and continues to get away with this, is because it was sadly the best we had at the time.

My point was merely that three different endings do not prevent a "sequel" being made. Deus Ex had three "canon" endings, all three were neutered and crammed into the sequel's "canon". They could do the same to Mass Effect. (Or maybe not, I'm speculating because I haven't played ME3)

Oooooh, okay. I missed the point then. You know, considering how Bioware has shown how they can change certain aspects of the game depending on choices you made, I wonder how difficult it would be for them to change lots of minor details(ie small parts of conversations) in a sequel to support the ending you chose to explain the overarching "Reapers are gone" theme.

 

[Outcast107]

https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/189050220275974144

Here read this about the weeks interview.

 

[JediMB]

Mass Effect 3 doesn't need an Extended Cut.

It needs a Renegade Version [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_II:_The_Quickening#Home_video_releases].

 

[daveman247]

Good lord. This is why they never should have done anything. Do one thing and after that it is take take take. Seriously, the amount of effort you people have put into this could have been better spent solving something serious. At this point the rage is just making you all look retarded.

 

[A.I. Sigma]

Ending was shit; Shepard became the most efficient reaper known to the entire galaxy, and everyone died, with the exception of the Normandy crew (who developed teleportation powers to leave Earth, get back to the ship, and then promptly abandon you). No DLC will fix that unless they rewrite the entire ending. Which they won't do.

...*shrug* I've lost most of my love for Mass Effect 3. Not even sure if I'll bother to download the DLC, free or not.