Mass Effect 3 Gets An Ending
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uh oh, well then you better let my boss know right away, and you should also probably contact the people who trained me to be a technical director. that involves a computer AND various electrical devices. plus, theres probably laws against using monkeys as part of your workforce.wintercoat said:
i dont really get what youre trying to say. that im an asshole because i side more with people like yahtzee and bob than i do with mass effect fanboys?
At least Yahtzee has a reason to do it: he gets paid for his false flippancy. Sure, self-righteous is self-righteous, but he makes a living out of it, and power to him.wintercoat said:
The average consumer, however, hurls abuse simply because it's his/her feelings. =P
Sigh...no, I'm saying that throwing around baseless moronic insults to define an entire group makes you a cockhead more deserving of the term than the people you label with it.00slash00 said:
And yes, if you truly believe that the fate of an entire industry revolves around a single event, you're an idiot.
i never insulted anyone. all i said was that i agree more with what yahtzee and bob have said. if you honestly think that agreeing with them means that im calling all the fans cockheads then fine. thats not how i look at it but if thats how you wanna look at it then go ahead. im not saying that bioware changing their ending will suddenly mean that all game companies will have to check with their fans before releasing a game to make sure the ending is good enough. but i do believe that if this is the ending the writers had planned for the story, then they shouldnt feel obligated to change it.wintercoat said:
The reason why game critics are all against rewriting the ending is simple. They do not care about the ending or the mass effect series as much as we do. They play different games constantly and are paid to analyse whether it is good or not. The release of mass effect 3 means as much for them as any other game. The like the game but they are not emotionally attached to the game.
We, on the other hand, love the games for many different reasons other than it is an objectively good game. It is more than just a game for many of us.
We, on the other hand, love the games for many different reasons other than it is an objectively good game. It is more than just a game for many of us.
Suppose everybody's problem was that whoever thought up that godawful piece of shit ending had the cock for a head and not the other way around and we would be back at square one, do not collect $100. Of course I'm assuming you are saying that the developer is in the right when there is no right. This is not exactly a moral quarrel (hur hur) but rather the fans feeling betrayed because they were kicked in the teeth yet again by a previously loved developer who had, since dragon age gone into denial and has behaved as childishly as it's fans for the free publicity ever since.
So what if one company buckled under pressure from it's fans, it doesn't necessarily mean that other company's are left without the option to man up and just do whatever the hell they want. So instead of actually influencing it we should just let the publisher decide what we want which happens to be chest high walls and more cross species sex then you can poke a stick at. Unconsciously influencing that group of disconnected gits that sit at the top can't be worse than consciously doing so. Believe it or not most people are not bat shit insane so that system might even be worth a try.
Also what artistic integrity, that flew out the window way before EA got involved. Why assume that the series had a overarching vision to begin with. The theme of reapers preventing the destructive rise of other synthetics was introduced and concluded in a mere 14 lines by a hitherto unknown character at the very end. The reapers were better off being inscrutably evil like so many other villains instead of the dev pretending they are pushing some sort of boundary. The only boundary they might of pushed is shit we can get away with and still have people buy it.
So what if one company buckled under pressure from it's fans, it doesn't necessarily mean that other company's are left without the option to man up and just do whatever the hell they want. So instead of actually influencing it we should just let the publisher decide what we want which happens to be chest high walls and more cross species sex then you can poke a stick at. Unconsciously influencing that group of disconnected gits that sit at the top can't be worse than consciously doing so. Believe it or not most people are not bat shit insane so that system might even be worth a try.
Also what artistic integrity, that flew out the window way before EA got involved. Why assume that the series had a overarching vision to begin with. The theme of reapers preventing the destructive rise of other synthetics was introduced and concluded in a mere 14 lines by a hitherto unknown character at the very end. The reapers were better off being inscrutably evil like so many other villains instead of the dev pretending they are pushing some sort of boundary. The only boundary they might of pushed is shit we can get away with and still have people buy it.
The video I agree with that explains why the ending is shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs
This one more closely explains the fan rage and tears apart some of Bio Wares arguments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBETU-uOGh8
This is a douche bag who is being paid to attract free publicity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqgRP5_YKu0
This video tears apart said douche bag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz8_j-ebfaI&context=C45cc0a8ADvjVQa1PpcFPCatMy5RZ1RUZyZNY8ye5RqUJfcOnt1b8=
This is the -bio ware dun goofed- side summed up neatly and the only one that seems to make any sense. If you had not watched these before to preserve the integrity of your opinions I, as many other may have or will soon do so, suggest you watch them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs
This one more closely explains the fan rage and tears apart some of Bio Wares arguments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBETU-uOGh8
This is a douche bag who is being paid to attract free publicity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqgRP5_YKu0
This video tears apart said douche bag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz8_j-ebfaI&context=C45cc0a8ADvjVQa1PpcFPCatMy5RZ1RUZyZNY8ye5RqUJfcOnt1b8=
This is the -bio ware dun goofed- side summed up neatly and the only one that seems to make any sense. If you had not watched these before to preserve the integrity of your opinions I, as many other may have or will soon do so, suggest you watch them.
Someone may have already mentioned this but haven't Bethesda already done a retcon ending from fan pressure with Fallout 3 (Broken Steel) and it seems developers didn't learn from that debacle. That would be don't give a nonsensical forced ending when I have many other possible options (Get in a the gas tank Fawkes you're immune to radiation and screw it's my 'destiny' my dad was the 1 who died for it why should I?)
Hmm interesting captcha 'believe me'
Hmm interesting captcha 'believe me'
A metric ton of people have already mentioned Broken Steel, and the same people don't seem to realise that the changes being demanded of Bioware are on a different wavelength.Frostbyte666 said:
>>This may be a time of politically correct inclusion of all points of view, but sooner or later the cockheads of the world are just going to have to accept that there are people who know better than them. You know. People who don't have cocks for heads. <<
Yes, and do you know what industry has the biggest population of the aforementioned cranial mutation?
Artists. Like the successful ones in Hollywood. Also like the unsuccessful formerly-of-Hollywood artists (writers and directors) that have gone to the big dollar game companies so they can get jobs working on big dollar games and "show the games industry how to tell a real story like Hollywood does".
Their eventual overreaching and faceflop-in-front-of-everyone failures are inevitable. They've done it in the media entertainment industries to the point where there's an entire subindustry making a living from analyzing the wreckage, and now that those same artists have found a new set of suckers - I mean patrons - in the gaming industry, they're going to repeat the same mistakes all over again. Because their bosses in the gaming industry don't know when to tell them no.
Yes, and do you know what industry has the biggest population of the aforementioned cranial mutation?
Artists. Like the successful ones in Hollywood. Also like the unsuccessful formerly-of-Hollywood artists (writers and directors) that have gone to the big dollar game companies so they can get jobs working on big dollar games and "show the games industry how to tell a real story like Hollywood does".
Their eventual overreaching and faceflop-in-front-of-everyone failures are inevitable. They've done it in the media entertainment industries to the point where there's an entire subindustry making a living from analyzing the wreckage, and now that those same artists have found a new set of suckers - I mean patrons - in the gaming industry, they're going to repeat the same mistakes all over again. Because their bosses in the gaming industry don't know when to tell them no.
leaving this here read it, its quite good its about "art" and whats wrong about the ending
http://doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/
and this:
http://doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-creative-license-and-the-rights-of-the-player-in-a-storygame-me3/
http://doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/
and this:
http://doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-creative-license-and-the-rights-of-the-player-in-a-storygame-me3/
Fair enough. You didn't mention Eve in your first post and Wreav was established as a jerk in Mass Effect 2.GartarkMusik said:
There would be some renegade krogan, but it wouldn't be on the same scale as the Krogan Rebellions. Eve is as important for Krogan stability as Wrex, based on how she single-handedly calmed down the bickering krogan at the start of the Shroud mission. Most of the krogan war assets also seem to imply that the krogan are eager to be the heroes of the galaxy again (based on how many clans fell in behind Urdnot and that the Terminus mercs returned to Tuchanka). Something that seems to be forgotten a lot is that virtually no krogan alive in Mass Effect 3 were around during the Krogan Rebellions. By this point, the genophage is a lot like the sins of the father being passed to the son.
I don't think that people demanding that the ending not be such a lump of shit is very far from the wavelength Fallout 3 was on.satsugaikaze said:
See, here's an easy way to prevent this from happening in the future: When a developer is writing a game, they should rate everything they write on a scale from Shit to Ten. If you rate what you write anything less than Ten you rewrite it.
Doesn't for me. I admit my experiences with Mass Effect were superficial, so feel free to correct me anywhere, but I distinctly remember one of the Reapers mentioning the Mass Relays ensure that Organics evolve among the paths they desire. Does that mean they /want/ them to come up with crazy AI? Are they just too lazy to mentor Organics while the crazy AI outbreak can still be stopped? The Protheans certainly seemed good at controlling the evolution of the species until the Reapers woke up. Seems like somebody is too lazy to install anti-virus software and decides to reinstall Windows every 50k years.wintercoat said:
But that's mostly speculation, if we look at what's actually going on in the galaxy, we see Geth that want to live in peace but are denied exactly that, we see Geth going batshit crazy because of Reaper indoctrination and we see EDI who is everything but a crazy rebelling AI. So synthetics seem like pretty cool people unless you brainwash them. What else have we got? A history of Krogan, organics, that nearly killed everything in their path. We got a lot of political disputes and wars on record whereas the Geth have achieved some sort of Utopian democracy as long as everybody is synched once in a while so everyone can understand each other's viewpoint.
In the face of that, synthetics seem like a much much smaller threat than organics, and even if they wiped out all organics, it would be more like natural selection and the survivors would be much more civilized people than any other species.
See, this is what I'm talkin' about. Fans don't want them to change the ending, they just want to feel like the choices they made *mattered.* Hell, even if it was just single freeze frames during the credits of individual satellite characters trying to cope with one of three aftermaths going on in the background, that would have tied everything together. Players would have felt like "Okay, the COMPLETE ending to MY Mass Effect story would have cost WAY too much to script, voice, animate, and pre-render, but hey, at least it's ADDRESSED. Hey, look, there's my love interests in half-reaver form standing on a ruined Earth. At least that's something. I wonder what they're saying to each other." That would have avoided the entire controversy.
Still giggling at the fact that there's still 14 pages of replies on this subject, at this point.
TBH I think game companies just need to stop releasing any info on the games they are making so far in advance then they'd save themselves all this hassle.
Of course it wouldn't put an end to it because you'd still have the fans whining that there was no info on something... but there'd be slightly less of it and more bearable whining.
TBH I think game companies just need to stop releasing any info on the games they are making so far in advance then they'd save themselves all this hassle.
Of course it wouldn't put an end to it because you'd still have the fans whining that there was no info on something... but there'd be slightly less of it and more bearable whining.
he more or less nailed what I hated about the ending. I didn't mind the content so much as the way it was presented. I honestly would have perfered that the entire dialogue with the child-god-thing and the subsequent red/blue/green choice was ommited. The endings were all functionally the same anyways, so I don't really see what the point of the choice was, you stop the reapers, stop the in a slightly more dickish way, or stop them in a slightly weirder way. NO matter what you pick shittons of primary charecters die, the mass relays are destroyed, and the galaxy is 'saved.' So why did they not simply cut straight to the giant space lazer firing after you hit the button? Their attempt to provide an illusion of choice cheapened the whole process. THat and the lack of resolution for my crew. All they had to do was have a shot of a funeral, the dead crew members in caskets, and whoever survived mourning around them. It would have taken all of 5 seconds of screen time. At the very least they should let you see what happened to whoever you romanced. What the hell happened to Tali?????