The endings were different colors of the same toothpaste. Fans are not pissed off because Shepard died, they are pissed because no matter what the ending was the same. The ?big? decisions that Shepard made had no effect on the ending. Bioware gave us pick A, B, or C after making it quite clear (before the game) that they were not going to give us A, B, or C. No matter which A, B, or C the player chose the ending was the same plot holed garbage that everyone else had. There was no warrior?s death, no hero?s demise, only a plot littered with holes. As a fan I was not opposed to dying I just wanted to die a damn good death and have an ending to reflect that, not a quick five minute ending that was riddled with holes.
Mass Effect 3 Gets An Ending
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It is so sad that what you said here is true.Nikolaz72 said:
Too many gamers are selfish. They won't do anything useless there is some kind of shiny thing for them. *sigh* They really need to take a serious look at what the word, "rewarding," truly means.
mjc0961 said:Yeah, turns out if you spend the $10 to get Javik, that question suddenly has quite a bit of build up to it.T3hSource said:
And that's just one scene. There are more.
Pretty sure I see what you did there.wintercoat said:
Notice how the only scenes eluding to the ending were part of the from ashes dlc, which was (according to bioware) made post production.
So either the ending wasn't rushed and they decided to remove any details that aid the ending making even a bit of sense to charge for DLC OR the ending was rushed and they used the from ashes DLC to try to bandage a broken ending.
Either way is + points for Bioware am i right?
PLUS YOU RESOLVE THE GETH/QUARIAN conflict anyway by giving them individuality. EDI points this out that it is the collective nature of ai that makes them rebel so again the ending makes no sense.
First off dont take your frustrations out on Yahtzee, you bloody well know he is a gamer, his whole life is gaming related. Secondly you guys are JUST fans, not creators, authors, developers, own ANYTHING of the games IP. I understand you the story didn't end with flowers and sunshine flying out of Jokers crippled ass while Shepard and Liara do it on the most perfect rainbow. But they did say it is the end of Shepard's story and how else do you think it would end? Honestly, every know that here in the states if they live then there IS a way to make an other game. And what would you be more upset about a poetic ending that ENDS the story or Mass Effect 7: Shepard Waits for his VA Benefits to go Thru this Month.
I know this will fall on deaf ears and there will be no response or bad responses. Let them come I will continue my fight for the creators rights to do what they want to do just like fans will continue the fight for their own perfect game. Both are admirable fights each with their own value and place in this industry to fight.
I know this will fall on deaf ears and there will be no response or bad responses. Let them come I will continue my fight for the creators rights to do what they want to do just like fans will continue the fight for their own perfect game. Both are admirable fights each with their own value and place in this industry to fight.
My problem with ME3s ending?
Everything.
There is literally no other way I can put this. Everything about the ending is bad in every way you can use the word bad.
The ending completely failed in every single way an ending possibly could fail in every capacity. I literally can not overemphasize this point.
Everything.
There is literally no other way I can put this. Everything about the ending is bad in every way you can use the word bad.
The ending completely failed in every single way an ending possibly could fail in every capacity. I literally can not overemphasize this point.
I've never read anything from Forbes before, but goddamnit do they understand every point we've made about the ending [http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/15/upset-mass-effect-fans-entitled-gamers-or-responsible-consumers/]
In a reasonable way that makes sense within the Mass Effect universe, minus the gigantic plotholes.Roroshi14 said:
To quote a post I found...
"I had to laugh at Yahtzee Croshaw's reasoning for not changing the ending. Here is a quote:
"The series will effectively have no ending, just a big gap with the words ?Audience: Fill In Your Preferred Ending Here?.
What I find ironic is that this is a perfect description of the ending as it actually stands. Bioware basically told us all to make up our own post-ME Universe in the current ending.
So he is saying we should not replace an ending where the audience must choose the ending with a different ending influenced by the audienence the game was made for."
Look, I'm in the game industry myself. I'm a 3D modeler and Zbrush sculptor. I gave up my "artistic integrity" when I decided to make a living selling my work as a commercial artist for a commercial product like a video game.
And the thing is, all my work is geared towards the PLAYER'S ultimate enjoyment. If my 3D model fails to live up to their standards, then it is a failure on MY part, not on THEIR appreciation.
To offer another quote, from my animation instructor, "A good artist accepts criticism and applies it. A bad artistic claims the viewer misunderstood his genius and intent. Ultimately, the viewer's opinion is NEVER wrong because your art affected them in an honest way; it's up to you to deal with their reactions, either with humility or arrogance, but never blame them for thinking poorly of your work."
"I had to laugh at Yahtzee Croshaw's reasoning for not changing the ending. Here is a quote:
"The series will effectively have no ending, just a big gap with the words ?Audience: Fill In Your Preferred Ending Here?.
What I find ironic is that this is a perfect description of the ending as it actually stands. Bioware basically told us all to make up our own post-ME Universe in the current ending.
So he is saying we should not replace an ending where the audience must choose the ending with a different ending influenced by the audienence the game was made for."
Look, I'm in the game industry myself. I'm a 3D modeler and Zbrush sculptor. I gave up my "artistic integrity" when I decided to make a living selling my work as a commercial artist for a commercial product like a video game.
And the thing is, all my work is geared towards the PLAYER'S ultimate enjoyment. If my 3D model fails to live up to their standards, then it is a failure on MY part, not on THEIR appreciation.
To offer another quote, from my animation instructor, "A good artist accepts criticism and applies it. A bad artistic claims the viewer misunderstood his genius and intent. Ultimately, the viewer's opinion is NEVER wrong because your art affected them in an honest way; it's up to you to deal with their reactions, either with humility or arrogance, but never blame them for thinking poorly of your work."
I am not sure if folks know that Yahtzee regards people who are not him as . . . (insert verbose derogatory statement).
He was going to tell ME fans they were idiots because that's his thing. He is gaming's Don Rickles . Next week he will be instulting someone else for liking or doing or wanting something else.
He was going to tell ME fans they were idiots because that's his thing. He is gaming's Don Rickles . Next week he will be instulting someone else for liking or doing or wanting something else.
He really had nothing to add here. He just felt obliged to. Anyone getting that feel here?
Well he did throw in there some ideas for some endings that could have worked about a million times better, but it's all really insubstantial.
Well he did throw in there some ideas for some endings that could have worked about a million times better, but it's all really insubstantial.
There are many issues with me3, however i think an important one is: the game fails to get the player emotionally invested in the plot - most importantly, in the characters, and in the EARTH IN PERIL main plot point.
EARTH, (and also ALL ORGANIC LIFE and THE ENTIRE GALAXY) is simply too large a concept for us to be able to form an emotional attachment to.
If you were to think of why earth blowing up right now might suck, you'll think about yourself, your memories, your friends, family, and so on.
So, you need to make what is at stake more personal, more accessible.
Now, Bioware tries to put a human face on this through the KID. However, this is such a heavy handed and obvious attempt at emotional manipulation, that the player simply rejects it right away.
I'm sure you all groaned when u saw the kid at the beginning.
Then later on, we are never given any evocative imagery from the crisis on Earth. We only ever see a hologram of Anderson, who TELLS us that things are in a bad way. We never SEE the crisis. Even when you land on Earth for the final mission, it seems pretty bland and boring. Not exactly captivating in any way.
What might have worked would be say... newscasts from Earth, images of an abandoned child crying in the wreckage of a house, of rag tag bands uselessly attacking a reaper with sticks and stones, of people crawling on their bellies trying to escape husks, of people being horribly captured, processed, along with the sound of crying, wailing, fire, and so on.
Little bits like this would bring the conflict on Earth down to a personal level, would get the player to become more emotionally invested in the issue.
EARTH, (and also ALL ORGANIC LIFE and THE ENTIRE GALAXY) is simply too large a concept for us to be able to form an emotional attachment to.
If you were to think of why earth blowing up right now might suck, you'll think about yourself, your memories, your friends, family, and so on.
So, you need to make what is at stake more personal, more accessible.
Now, Bioware tries to put a human face on this through the KID. However, this is such a heavy handed and obvious attempt at emotional manipulation, that the player simply rejects it right away.
I'm sure you all groaned when u saw the kid at the beginning.
Then later on, we are never given any evocative imagery from the crisis on Earth. We only ever see a hologram of Anderson, who TELLS us that things are in a bad way. We never SEE the crisis. Even when you land on Earth for the final mission, it seems pretty bland and boring. Not exactly captivating in any way.
What might have worked would be say... newscasts from Earth, images of an abandoned child crying in the wreckage of a house, of rag tag bands uselessly attacking a reaper with sticks and stones, of people crawling on their bellies trying to escape husks, of people being horribly captured, processed, along with the sound of crying, wailing, fire, and so on.
Little bits like this would bring the conflict on Earth down to a personal level, would get the player to become more emotionally invested in the issue.
One thing i think we should remember is that Bioware doesn't exactly have the best track record with its other series.
Neverwinter Nights was great, #2 didn't do as well. KotOR was great; KotOR 2 wasn't quite as well received. Dragon Age Origins was well liked, DA2 not so much.
Now all these games were pretty good, but all i'm saying is that Bioware tends to taper off the further it gets into a series (yes, baldur's gate 2 was great, but throne of baahl was less so).
Also, there was that merger with Mythic between ME2 and ME3, and one of their lead writers for ME1 & 2, Drew Karpyshyn (who also worked on BG2, NWN1, and KotOR1) was put to work on the Knights of the Old Republic MMO.
Not saying that Karpyshyn was carrying the story all by himself - there were a whole lot of other writers on ME2 - but imo he's the one with the most experience, and the most consistently solid portfolio (game writing-wise).
Just something to think about
Neverwinter Nights was great, #2 didn't do as well. KotOR was great; KotOR 2 wasn't quite as well received. Dragon Age Origins was well liked, DA2 not so much.
Now all these games were pretty good, but all i'm saying is that Bioware tends to taper off the further it gets into a series (yes, baldur's gate 2 was great, but throne of baahl was less so).
Also, there was that merger with Mythic between ME2 and ME3, and one of their lead writers for ME1 & 2, Drew Karpyshyn (who also worked on BG2, NWN1, and KotOR1) was put to work on the Knights of the Old Republic MMO.
Not saying that Karpyshyn was carrying the story all by himself - there were a whole lot of other writers on ME2 - but imo he's the one with the most experience, and the most consistently solid portfolio (game writing-wise).
Just something to think about
Yahtzee didn't really seem to give a shit. Kinda sounded like he made this article just because.
While I obviously don't agree with his opinion, he isn't as insufferably deluded as Moviebob or Colin Moriarty of IGN in his criticisms of the fan reaction.
I definitely agree with his bringing up of Shepard's blandness.
One of my many problems with ME3 (besides the ending, which people are acting like it's the ONLY problem with the game) is the failure to humanize and Shepard in any way.
As brought up above, the attempt to humanize Shepard through the scenes with the child are laughably executed and failed completely to show the stress and weight of the situation getting to Shepard.
Maybe if Bioware showed Shepard's physical health deteriorating as the game (ala Shadow of the Colossus) via stress and perhaps a rejection of the synthetics implanted by the Illusive man (or maybe Shepard's new body is in fact disintegrating?) to imply humanity and weakness in the character.
But this doesn't happen. And with Shepard's family made dead through text (my Paragon Shep was from Akuze), Shepard has no real emotion connection to Earth's obliteration and thus Earth just becomes another mission to a falling planet.
This makes me think the entire Mass Effect trilogy could have executed better if Shepard was a more defined and human character (like Ashley Williams or Navigator Presley), and gone through the ark of being ignorant and xenophobic towards working with alien races, but then gradually learning to work together and unify everyone against the Reapers on Earth, with his family on Earth to protect. Bioware could have delivered a more defined and stronger narrative, not having to worry about player input.
But instead Shepard was made a bland foil in a player-choice driven trilogy.
For the most part, it worked. Until the end of course.
That was fun.
While I obviously don't agree with his opinion, he isn't as insufferably deluded as Moviebob or Colin Moriarty of IGN in his criticisms of the fan reaction.
I definitely agree with his bringing up of Shepard's blandness.
One of my many problems with ME3 (besides the ending, which people are acting like it's the ONLY problem with the game) is the failure to humanize and Shepard in any way.
As brought up above, the attempt to humanize Shepard through the scenes with the child are laughably executed and failed completely to show the stress and weight of the situation getting to Shepard.
Maybe if Bioware showed Shepard's physical health deteriorating as the game (ala Shadow of the Colossus) via stress and perhaps a rejection of the synthetics implanted by the Illusive man (or maybe Shepard's new body is in fact disintegrating?) to imply humanity and weakness in the character.
But this doesn't happen. And with Shepard's family made dead through text (my Paragon Shep was from Akuze), Shepard has no real emotion connection to Earth's obliteration and thus Earth just becomes another mission to a falling planet.
This makes me think the entire Mass Effect trilogy could have executed better if Shepard was a more defined and human character (like Ashley Williams or Navigator Presley), and gone through the ark of being ignorant and xenophobic towards working with alien races, but then gradually learning to work together and unify everyone against the Reapers on Earth, with his family on Earth to protect. Bioware could have delivered a more defined and stronger narrative, not having to worry about player input.
But instead Shepard was made a bland foil in a player-choice driven trilogy.
For the most part, it worked. Until the end of course.
I liked the part where the ending made all your choices made over 5 years null and void.Bretty said:
That was fun.
The ending was a clear rush job. There's no point in arguing that. Ignoring the writing, it lacked any form of fluidity and felt slapped together and disjointed in comparison to the rest of the cut scenes. Shepard reminiscing of still images of the cast kind of give that away.zehydra said:
But anyway, purchase of a product sold on the basis of player choice (and apparently 16 different endings) would imply the aforementioned would be delivered.
It clearly was not.