Mass Effect 3 PC will require Orgin

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sms_117b said:
ph0b0s123 said:
sms_117b said:
I already have Origin, and games on it, whilst I'm not a huge fan of the spyware, you know what, for me, it's really not that big a deal. So ME3 is definently still on the cards.
No, when it does become a big deal it will be too late to complain about it. Like when you are banned from all your Origin games for having a NO-CD patch.
So Origin would scan your other games for a NO-CD patch and then block you? I can see how that would be, well, completely unfair, but most of my CD games I've re-brought on steam if I still play them, but I don't tend to play them, in fact currently I don't have a single CD/DVD game installed on my PC...in fact all I have atm is Audiosurf, Dragon Age 2, Skyrim and TOR.

So still, for ME (and clearly just me), Origin hits up no problems that I can't deal with.
Well as long as you are fine then, screw the rest of the community? Nice.
 

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Sweet, a competitor to steam's monopoly appears.
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EA is shooting itself in the foot by not releasing it via Steamworks. -snip- If they had any faith in their Origin, they wouldn't make it mandatory to play their games, and they wouldn't exclude Steam. Fuckin' imbeciles. Instead of not releasing their games on Steam they should draw people towards Origin by offering exclusive bonuses for Origin version.
Oh, you mean just like Valve offers alternative non-steam releases for their Source games?
Yeah, that's so awesome, I love being able to choos... Oh wait.

I think it's funny how many people hate Origin, and then turn around and praise steam for being exactly the same.
I guess people forgot how buggy and hideous steam was in the beginning.
 

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Good thing I'm getting it on Xbox, then. 'HA' IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU, EA. HA.
But ME3 will be the last EA game I buy. I'll make sure of it.
 

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Well, had a feeling that would happen ever since Origin launched and the PC versions of EA games began using it. Ever since then I've been actively pulling upcoming EA games from my "to get" list, and I can't say I feel like I've been missing out on much.

Tayh said:
Sweet, a competitor to steam's monopoly appears.
Adam Jensen said:
EA is shooting itself in the foot by not releasing it via Steamworks. -snip- If they had any faith in their Origin, they wouldn't make it mandatory to play their games, and they wouldn't exclude Steam. Fuckin' imbeciles. Instead of not releasing their games on Steam they should draw people towards Origin by offering exclusive bonuses for Origin version.
Oh, you mean just like Valve offers alternative non-steam releases for their Source games?
Yeah, that's so awesome, I love being able to choos... Oh wait.

I think it's funny how many people hate Origin, and then turn around and praise steam for being exactly the same.
I guess people forgot how buggy and hideous steam was in the beginning.
At least Valve wouldn't ban my Steam account for writing a bad word on their forum. Good thing that EA wouldn't do so eithe... oh wait.
 

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The thing that pisses me off the most is that they are literally FORCING you to use Origin, because they know it's shit and nobody would use it, if it wasn't necessary for their games. I have no idea why they want to push Origin down our throats, Steam works perfectly fine. They make enough money as it is; It's disgusting to me that for the sake of EVEN MORE FUCKING MONEY they want to alienate their customers by releasing unfinished, unpolished games (Dragon age 2 for example) AND then FORCE you to use a software that not only is badly designed, but is a spyware to boot.

I just can't find the words to express how appalling EA has become, although Activision is not far behind, both publishers are digging new lows.
 

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Right so Facebook does not collect this info and to be fair the info you chose to give Face is entirely your choice.

As for Steam it collects the info but it is up to you whether it gets sent to Steam. If Origin worked the same way most of the spyware calls would disappear. For me this is not an anti EA boycott but an anti taking hardware and software info without permission issue.

For Itune plase post where you have seen that it collects and send your hardware and software data without your permission.

Otherwise you have not proven that other software is as bad as Origin for collecting this data, hence why people are annoyed by it.
Facebook does collect this info. Although yes, along with Steam, you have some sort of say in what information is given. This is where I can understand where some of the Origin hatred comes from. However, how does the information collected by Origin affect users? Information is gathered for marketing purposes, not to steal your identity. Much like a credit card or store loyalty card. That information is given to third parties to assist them to improve their g+s.

Any information gathered just becomes part of a statistic. Nobody is looking at your information personally.

Again, I never said Itunes gathered information about your hardware or software. Gather personal details. Also, as I previously stated as well, it isn't without your permission. You would have agreed to it before the program was installed.

I never said software was as bad as Origin, I'm only stating that having information gathered is much more common than people think, and that they should not be so surprised or offended. If it really bothers you, more power to you. I just think it is silly.
 

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ph0b0s123 said:
sms_117b said:
So Origin would scan your other games for a NO-CD patch and then block you? I can see how that would be, well, completely unfair, but most of my CD games I've re-brought on steam if I still play them, but I don't tend to play them, in fact currently I don't have a single CD/DVD game installed on my PC...in fact all I have atm is Audiosurf, Dragon Age 2, Skyrim and TOR.

So still, for ME (and clearly just me), Origin hits up no problems that I can't deal with.
Well as long as you are fine then, screw the rest of the community? Nice.
I wouldn't go that far, not by a long shot. But, I already had Origins, I really want ME3, and I'm not going to boycot a game and sale platform for a game I am clearly going to buy and on PC still so I can carry my stories forward. To quote Bender "I support and oppose many things, but not strongly enough to pick up a pen". For anything and everything, online or outside, I've never felt strong enough about something to want or feel the need to do anything about it.

I don't agree with their new policies for having Origin running. I can see your problems and I'm pretty sure I'd have them too if I played CD/DVD games, but, I still would get ME3 on PC via Origin.
 

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4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.


EA calling steam restrictive is laughable.
I guess the good news is that it MIGHT eventually be on steam, meaning i MIGHT eventually purchase it, if its on sale.
It's funny, though, the bolded portion is exactly the same lie Newell and co have been giving us on why the Xbox doesn't get updates.

While it may be laughable, I can't help but think "Sauce for the goose...."

Unfortunately, the protests of gamers will be full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
 

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ph0b0s123 said:
sms_117b said:
I already have Origin, and games on it, whilst I'm not a huge fan of the spyware, you know what, for me, it's really not that big a deal. So ME3 is definently still on the cards.
No, when it does become a big deal it will be too late to complain about it. Like when you are banned from all your Origin games for having a NO-CD patch.
Pretty much, the problem with stuff like this is it's in no way intellegent how could Origin define the difference between say a hack and a player mod or community patch. It won't it'll just straight up ban you.
 

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I don't see why this should come as a surprise. As for those of us who have consoles, we won't have any issue with buying it for our platform of choice.
 

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And THIS is why SOPA will pass. Because the general sentiment among people like us is;

OMG THAT SUCKS, HOW FUCKING UNFAIR!!! FUCK! I guess I'll buy it...because I'm too lazy/devoted/addicted to not just go along with whatever they throw at me.

EA could come out tomorrow and say Origin requires that we rape your mother anally, and people would still be pre-ordering ME3, 4, and Mass Effect: The Revengening of the Smoking man.

Look, I for one have chose to miss out on all the great games that EA is putting out. Battlefield, Mass Effect1,2, and 3, and SWTOR. That being said, because of the state of our group, I fully expect Steam to collapse and Origin to be the only DD service by 2020. Also, Sarah Palin will be president, and Michelle Bachman vice president.
 

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still dont understand. origin is shit, yeah, but whats the big fuss about that info? its not like they sell it to al-qaida. you people need to chill the fuck out. i am ao anonymous, you say.
do you use facebook guys? know what? it does the same thing.


Apart from it being 2002-Steam, it is same.

well they could sell to al-qaida you have given them that right , that kind of is the big point about it all ;)

ofc they probably wont but this is a perfect example of the problems with social profiling and the sort of information Origin takes. it will be possible to find lists of just about any group for any reason, terrorists looking for service men, boss's screening out people that have looked for jobs more than once in the last 5 years or anyone thinking of moving or having a baby to just plain banning applicants with hobbies they don't like. banks refusing loans or any services at all. and of course if you want the most obvious example of why social profiling isn't a good thing , go ask the Jews about 1930/40's Germany.

Origin allows EA to profit by making a tool that can only be bad for us it can only be discriminative you may think "well I've got no porn or pirated games so it wont affect me" but you are wrong in a terrifying number of ways this will have the ability to bite you on the arse in every aspect of your life. looking for a school, a job, a loan have an opinion, likes or dislikes? then this will negatively impact you.

Last point , ffs STOP comparing origin and steam they do not do the same thing

Steam- multi /any developer platform works within the free market ideal sells everyone stuff without bias (ok there is a pre order bonus war going on but its being fought on all fronts)
its good for the industry it promotes and allows a lot of indie devs to actually get distribution it brings a vast array of games to the market and has drastically altered/improves the way PC games sell. now games have a infinite shelf life they keep generating profit past the first 3/6 months. we gain a huge catalogue of games and ofc their are the sales... 50-90% we've all seen them im sure.

Origin- Single publisher platform that doesn't allow competition
reams the user for pre order charges were other sights give discounts for pre orders.
restricts the market by not allowing competing services access to their product. its a vertical monopoly and it exploits it to the consumers detriment.
it also invades your personal rights and sets you up to be discriminated against in every aspect of your life.

We are at the start of the big personal data collection/pooling push make a stand now or in 10 years look back and go wtf, patriot act, sopa, now this how often do you have to give them permission before you realise its your fault for handing them the lube?


<...not buying ME3 if it requires origin. its not an over action its not a tinfoil hat reaction, its the sensible thing for any intelligent person.
 

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PlowmanMk said:
ph0b0s123 said:
Right so Facebook does not collect this info and to be fair the info you chose to give Face is entirely your choice.

As for Steam it collects the info but it is up to you whether it gets sent to Steam. If Origin worked the same way most of the spyware calls would disappear. For me this is not an anti EA boycott but an anti taking hardware and software info without permission issue.

For Itune plase post where you have seen that it collects and send your hardware and software data without your permission.

Otherwise you have not proven that other software is as bad as Origin for collecting this data, hence why people are annoyed by it.
Facebook does collect this info. Although yes, along with Steam, you have some sort of say in what information is given. This is where I can understand where some of the Origin hatred comes from. However, how does the information collected by Origin affect users? Information is gathered for marketing purposes, not to steal your identity. Much like a credit card or store loyalty card. That information is given to third parties to assist them to improve their g+s.

Any information gathered just becomes part of a statistic. Nobody is looking at your information personally.

Again, I never said Itunes gathered information about your hardware or software. Gather personal details. Also, as I previously stated as well, it isn't without your permission. You would have agreed to it before the program was installed.

I never said software was as bad as Origin, I'm only stating that having information gathered is much more common than people think, and that they should not be so surprised or offended. If it really bothers you, more power to you. I just think it is silly.
The whole point is that Origin goes further than anything before and people think it is about time to say 'here and no further', other of a bunch of offenders at the moment they are trying to push the envelope. Everytime peoples rights to piracy is degraded it is always by a small amount, so it is death by a thousand cuts. Facebook have had a load of flack for there behavior and it has generated change. EA should get a taste of the same medicine, especially when it is such a small change that would get people back on side, just make it optional, that's it. I would start giving them money again.
 

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SourWhisky said:
ph0b0s123 said:
sms_117b said:
I already have Origin, and games on it, whilst I'm not a huge fan of the spyware, you know what, for me, it's really not that big a deal. So ME3 is definently still on the cards.
No, when it does become a big deal it will be too late to complain about it. Like when you are banned from all your Origin games for having a NO-CD patch.
Pretty much, the problem with stuff like this is it's in no way intellegent how could Origin define the difference between say a hack and a player mod or community patch. It won't it'll just straight up ban you.
Who says they care to differentiate between those three. From their point of view all 3 could be ban worthy. I would rather have the whole thing nipped in the bud now.
 

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I've got Origin, so I don't really care too much about this. You know what would make it a much better competitor for Steam, though?

The ability to gift games. Several times now, friends have wanted me to play something, only to find out that Origin does not allow you to buy games for other people. Pre-ordering TOR for me was a huge hassle for one of them. It's a feature that we use frequently on Steam, and one that is sorely missing from Origin. Which has resulted in Steam getting money for an EA game when EA could have gotten all of it on a few occasions.
 

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ph0b0s123 said:
The whole point is that Origin goes further than anything before and people think it is about time to say 'here and no further', other of a bunch of offenders at the moment they are trying to push the envelope. Everytime peoples rights to piracy is degraded it is always by a small amount, so it is death by a thousand cuts. Facebook have had a load of flack for there behavior and it has generated change. EA should get a taste of the same medicine, especially when it is such a small change that would get people back on side, just make it optional, that's it. I would start giving them money again.
I certainly agree, however some people are straight away thinking that Origin is 'Spyware' without quite understanding that it isn't an unheard of concept. Still, I see it as 'reaching the limit', not pushing the limit.

Although, I disagree with boycotting games as I don't see it as beneficial at all. Regardless of what I believe, that is still up to the consumer. So good for them.
I'm sure there would be a better alternative to boycotting.
 
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*sigh*

Expected this would happen. Looks like I'll be passing on the PC version then and getting the console version. If that. After reading the story spoilers, I may just pass on the game until it's in the bargain-bin.

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.
EA, all you're pissy about is that Steam doesn't let you sell DLC exclusively through your web-stores with you're god damn "Bioware points". The same points I tried to buy multiple times but failed because you said you couldn't charge my credit card but fucking did anyway for each failed transaction. Fucking assholes.
 

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I have to say, i'm a little behind on the news for ME3 and this is the first i've heard about this. Its pretty depressing because I refuse to have Origin installed on my machine. I gave Battlefield 3 a pass for that very reason. So, looks like i'm gonna have to shell out the cash for a PS3 to be able to play this. *Mass sarcasm* Thank you EA! *End Sarcasm*
 

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This is actually good news for me. This means that I wont be getting ME3, and therefore my grades might actually be good this time around! :p