Smilomaniac said:
So you're saying that the me that is the me I see inside myself isn't the me that other people see but I shouldn't care about that me because the only me that really matters is the me that I see myself as? Seriously, my thoughts on the end to Evangelion are if you needed therapy before seeing the end: you won't any more. If you didn't need therapy before seeing the end: you most certainly will afterwords.
Anyways, joking aside and back to the point: I'm not begrudging people for being extremely passionate about the game. I consider myself pretty passionate about it as well. However you cannot allow that passion to blind you to the facts. The facts remain that Bioware made a product. The consumers bought that product. The consumers didn't like the ending, but there's nothing that says Bioware HAS to make an ending everyone would like, just that they're expected to try their best to do so.
Well they failed miserably.
To use your motorcycle example, it would be like you demanding that Harley Davidson (don't know if that's what you ride, just using it as a name) give you a snow mobile every winter because you don't like the fact that you can't ride. It'd be absurd for them to do so because a snow mobile isn't the product they sold you, they sold you a motorcycle.
So too is ME 3 the product they sold us. We were all willing to pay for it and experience it. Again, it REALLY sucks that the ending was so god-awful, but them's the breaks. I could be wrong but I don't remember Evangelion fans absolutely blasting the creators of the series, making petitions, involving charities, and sending them 400 gundam action figures in order to get the ending changed. I believe the creators saw all the negative reviews and decided "You know what? We CAN do better!" and so they took it upon themselves to change it (again, I could be COMPLETELY wrong at this and won't hesitate to admit it if you have evidence that this is wrong).
In my eyes, the ideal situation would be for everyone to just have written negative reviews of ME 3, blasting the ending as chopped up BS and that it's a damn shame that Bioware managed to royally fuck up the ending to their epic saga. Now this has already happened - obviously - but the Retake ME movement went further and started harassing the developer, DEMANDING that they give us a new ending. It would have been better if Bioware had taken a look at all the negative feedback and decided "You know what? They're right. We could have done WAY better than what we did. Let's give them something they'll enjoy."
Random berk said:
RJ 17 said:
That's why people are calling the Retake ME movement "entitled crybabies." Does it absolutely suck that the ending to ME 3 sucks so much? Yes, yes it certainly does. Does Hudson deserve to be kicked in the balls by every ME fan? Yes, yes he most certainly does...with steel-toed boots.
This would be an acceptable trade-off for what the fans frankly are entitled to do in my opinion- because don't give me that artistic integrity bullshit, it'd be one thing if the ending was hopelessly bleak, or enigmatic yet well written, but artistic integrity should not extend to allowing the artist to sell a product that he didn't bother to finish- but unless they actually allow this to happen, or unless the new DLC actually fixes the mess (at this stage, it won't) then the fans can say what they want about Bioware.
And that's actually kinda what I was talking about above: the fans CAN and SHOULD say what they want about Bioware. Bioware gets to swim in allllllll the negativity that their failure of an ending brings their way. We can blast them. We can flame them. We can say they're the biggest choke artists since the Fat Guy Strangler in Family Guy. And from that feedback, Bioware can either say "screw it" and move on or say, as I mentioned above, "The fans are right, we can do better than this. You know what? Let's give the ending another shot."
They just shouldn't be - in the worst cases - actually threatened into changing the ending. It should be a decision they come to naturally, not something they're coerced into doing.
But yeah, pretty sure EVERYONE would be satisfied without a new ending so long as we all get to kick Casey Hudson in the balls.
