Mass Effect 3 Review

deathbydeath

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Susan Arendt said:
BaronIveagh said:
Susan Arendt said:
But as I've said before, you go ahead and believe what you like. You clearly have decided that because my opinion differs from yours, I was influenced in some nefarious or unethical way. People see what they want to see, and believing that someone is dishonest is more interesting than believing they're honest.
LOL

Nothing nefarious or unethical about it. It's how people's brains work. In the old days they called it being too close to the story. Science calls it the Uncertainty Principal. You influence people and events without ever knowing or realizing it, let alone deliberately setting out to do it.
You've previously suggested it was at the behest of my employer, which would count as nefarious and unethical. You've offered different theories for why my review reads the way it does, discounting the most obvious one: It's how I actually feel about the game.

There's no conspiracy, no graft, no collusion. I just think it's a kick-ass game.
Aww, what's wrong with conspiracies?
 

The Wooster

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BaronIveagh said:
Susan, the problem is that I've been told what to write by my bosses about more then one EA release. DA2 was a 'GOTY' and a '9 out of 10' before they ever let me see it, because EA was dumping more advertising dollars on us then God. Then I got to play it and it sucked.
Which publication do you work for?
 

drednoahl

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If a game gets a really high score and I disagree with that score A LOT, I feel cheated because I work damn hard for my money. Squad doing a bunk all the time and characters doing a bunk from cut scenes in a game where story immersion is so important = 4.5stars. Really? It sounds like another AAA game released unfinished to me.
 

Susan Arendt

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deathbydeath said:
Susan Arendt said:
BaronIveagh said:
Susan Arendt said:
But as I've said before, you go ahead and believe what you like. You clearly have decided that because my opinion differs from yours, I was influenced in some nefarious or unethical way. People see what they want to see, and believing that someone is dishonest is more interesting than believing they're honest.
LOL

Nothing nefarious or unethical about it. It's how people's brains work. In the old days they called it being too close to the story. Science calls it the Uncertainty Principal. You influence people and events without ever knowing or realizing it, let alone deliberately setting out to do it.
You've previously suggested it was at the behest of my employer, which would count as nefarious and unethical. You've offered different theories for why my review reads the way it does, discounting the most obvious one: It's how I actually feel about the game.

There's no conspiracy, no graft, no collusion. I just think it's a kick-ass game.
Aww, what's wrong with conspiracies?
They have really crappy health care. Seriously, the copay is outrageous and there's no dental coverage to speak of. I mean, I realize it's tough to have a good HR department when, you know, nobody's really allowed to talk to each other, but still!
 

deathbydeath

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Susan Arendt said:
deathbydeath said:
Susan Arendt said:
BaronIveagh said:
Susan Arendt said:
But as I've said before, you go ahead and believe what you like. You clearly have decided that because my opinion differs from yours, I was influenced in some nefarious or unethical way. People see what they want to see, and believing that someone is dishonest is more interesting than believing they're honest.
LOL

Nothing nefarious or unethical about it. It's how people's brains work. In the old days they called it being too close to the story. Science calls it the Uncertainty Principal. You influence people and events without ever knowing or realizing it, let alone deliberately setting out to do it.
You've previously suggested it was at the behest of my employer, which would count as nefarious and unethical. You've offered different theories for why my review reads the way it does, discounting the most obvious one: It's how I actually feel about the game.

There's no conspiracy, no graft, no collusion. I just think it's a kick-ass game.
Aww, what's wrong with conspiracies?
They have really crappy health care. Seriously, the copay is outrageous and there's no dental coverage to speak of. I mean, I realize it's tough to have a good HR department when, you know, nobody's really allowed to talk to each other, but still!
Man, I had the Deus Ex theme in my head and everything...
 

Snotnarok

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My problem with the game is the price and what you spend and what you get:

To compare:

Mass Effect 2 Collectors: Game, Metal Tin, making of DVD, a small cool fold out thing containing: Art book, small comic book, DLC codes
60USD(PC)

Mass Effect 3 Special Edition: Game, metal tin, small comic book, art book, post card "lithograph", N7 velcro patch (with no opposite end to stick), DLC code for armor, Day1 DLC mission that people are angry that it didn't come with the game in the first place, digital soundtrack.
80USD(PC)

But that's not so much about the game as it is pricing and content, I'm about to start my game up now actually.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
deathbydeath said:
Susan Arendt said:
BaronIveagh said:
Susan Arendt said:
But as I've said before, you go ahead and believe what you like. You clearly have decided that because my opinion differs from yours, I was influenced in some nefarious or unethical way. People see what they want to see, and believing that someone is dishonest is more interesting than believing they're honest.
LOL

Nothing nefarious or unethical about it. It's how people's brains work. In the old days they called it being too close to the story. Science calls it the Uncertainty Principal. You influence people and events without ever knowing or realizing it, let alone deliberately setting out to do it.
You've previously suggested it was at the behest of my employer, which would count as nefarious and unethical. You've offered different theories for why my review reads the way it does, discounting the most obvious one: It's how I actually feel about the game.

There's no conspiracy, no graft, no collusion. I just think it's a kick-ass game.
Aww, what's wrong with conspiracies?
They have really crappy health care. Seriously, the copay is outrageous and there's no dental coverage to speak of. I mean, I realize it's tough to have a good HR department when, you know, nobody's really allowed to talk to each other, but still!
Have you talked to Mr. Page Bob? He seems to know what's up. Nice guy, too, at least from the conversations I've had with him.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Is that some kind of joke?
No, it wasn't. Even out of context like you quoted, it was not a joke. I was talking about reactions. The yellow named peoples reactions.
 

Susan Arendt

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drednoahl said:
If a game gets a really high score and I disagree with that score A LOT, I feel cheated because I work damn hard for my money. Squad doing a bunk all the time and characters doing a bunk from cut scenes in a game where story immersion is so important = 4.5stars. Really? It sounds like another AAA game released unfinished to me.
It's not all the time, but it does happen. Characters went missing from cutscenes twice, total, in my 35 hour playthrough. Not omnipresent, but something that needed to be mentioned.

There are definitely technical issues in the game, which is why it's not a 5.
 

Andy Chalk

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BaronIveagh said:
Andy's review of one of the last trailers positively gushed with enthusiasm. I don't begrudge him that, but the problem is that it came through in his article.
Of course it came through. It was meant to come through. It was an awesome trailer.

Seriously, who comes to a videogame site without the desire to share enthusiasm and excitement? Why would you bother?
 

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Susan Arendt said:
You've previously suggested it was at the behest of my employer, which would count as nefarious and unethical. You've offered different theories for why my review reads the way it does, discounting the most obvious one: It's how I actually feel about the game.

There's no conspiracy, no graft, no collusion. I just think it's a kick-ass game.
And since you argued against it, I was willing to concede the point, but you seem to have missed that. However, my other point still stands, do you think it's a kick ass game because it is, or because the opinions of others have colored your own opinion?

For example, I know my own opinion was tainted before I played the game, and it cast it in a much more negative light.


Grey Carter said:
Which publication do you work for?
Currently I don't work for a publication, (unless you count Dark Reign).

Which one this particular one was I'd have to actually go look, and frankly an argument on a forum isn't worth the effort of digging through 24 filing cabinets. If I remember right it was down in PA or Western New York, but that doesn't really narrow it down. I do remember they are out of business, because I remember thinking 'good riddance'.
 

The Wooster

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Andy Chalk said:
BaronIveagh said:
Andy's review of one of the last trailers positively gushed with enthusiasm. I don't begrudge him that, but the problem is that it came through in his article.
That's ridiculous, Andy isn't capable of enthusiasm. Or gushing. Or any other human emotion for that matter.
 

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Rednog said:
I'm enjoying the game so far, sadly the multiplayer is a little broken right now.
Some people (myself included) are experiencing lost weapons/characters; and there are some problems with setting certain match choices. A bioware employee on their forums said they were looking into it hopefully they'll figure it out soon, I'm unfortunately stuck with having my Quarian Infiltrator locked out to me.
Do you mean lost weapons and characters that you got from the demo multiplayer? Because, the word was that stuff from the demo multiplayer wouldn't transfer to the actual multiplayer.
 

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The Escapist gave this game 4 & 1/2 stars and said that the ending was epic...the ESCAPIST this incredibly hard to please website, founded on the basis of giving straight up reviews, says that this game is awesome...all fears that I had about this game being bad have officially been obliterated. Oh, and I think my DLC just finished downloading. Time to take Earth back.
 

Susan Arendt

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BaronIveagh said:
Susan Arendt said:
You've previously suggested it was at the behest of my employer, which would count as nefarious and unethical. You've offered different theories for why my review reads the way it does, discounting the most obvious one: It's how I actually feel about the game.

There's no conspiracy, no graft, no collusion. I just think it's a kick-ass game.
And since you argued against it, I was willing to concede the point, but you seem to have missed that. However, my other point still stands, do you think it's a kick ass game because it is, or because the opinions of others have colored your own opinion?
I did miss that, yes. Point me to it.

Not sure what opinions of others I was meant to have been exposed to, or why you assume I'm so unprofessional that I'd just let others' unfounded experiences impact what I told readers who trust me.

erttheking said:
The Escapist gave this game 4 & 1/2 stars and said that the ending was epic...the ESCAPIST this incredibly hard to please website, founded on the basis of giving straight up reviews, says that this game is awesome...all fears that I had about this game being bad have officially been obliterated. Oh, and I think my DLC just finished downloading. Time to take Earth back.
Just to be clear, I didn't reference the ending of the game at all. I said that it's a great ending to the Mass Effect trilogy of games.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Of course it came through. It was meant to come through. It was an awesome trailer.

Seriously, who comes to a videogame site without the desire to share enthusiasm and excitement? Why would you bother?
Why come to a video-game site? To be informed about video games, of course. And World Of Warplanes has an awesome trailer, but I have not yet seen you devote a whole article to how awesome it is.

See, here's the outcome of this whole thing I've been talking about. Giving games super high reviews all the time has a polarizing effect on the fanbase. Someone earlier made the point 'You're either a fan or a hater' was I believe the gist of it.

I love the ME series. I bought limited and collectors of every one of them before this. This one, I don't like. Personal opinion. Do I think something is wrong with everyone giving it fantastic perfect scores despite the bad endings, bugs, etc? Yes, the game media should hold Bioware to a higher standard than that, and should be ashamed of itself for passing out high scores in general the way it has.

Do I think that every last reviewer that liked it is morally bankrupt: no. (Do I think that some of them are: most likely) But at the moment 'good enough' is the new 'GOTY' when we should be expecting more out of game companies.

'Good Enough' got gamers the Duke Nukem Forever we got rather then the one we deserved, as an example.
 

The Wooster

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BaronIveagh said:
Do I think that every last reviewer that liked it is morally bankrupt: no. (Do I think that some of them are: most likely) But at the moment 'good enough' is the new 'GOTY' when we should be expecting more out of game companies.

'Good Enough' got gamers the Duke Nukem Forever we got rather then the one we deserved, as an example.
DNF got awful reviews and managed to sell preposterously well regardless.
 

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Grey Carter said:
DNF got awful reviews and managed to sell preposterously well regardless.
I was using it as an example of how bad you have to be to get rated a between a 5 out of 10 to a 7 out 10 on average.

And nostalgia is a powerful market force on it's own. Or, you were like me and got a call from Gamestop asking when you were picking it up, only to remember you had paid in advance in 1998.
 

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Sonic Doctor said:
Rednog said:
I'm enjoying the game so far, sadly the multiplayer is a little broken right now.
Some people (myself included) are experiencing lost weapons/characters; and there are some problems with setting certain match choices. A bioware employee on their forums said they were looking into it hopefully they'll figure it out soon, I'm unfortunately stuck with having my Quarian Infiltrator locked out to me.
Do you mean lost weapons and characters that you got from the demo multiplayer? Because, the word was that stuff from the demo multiplayer wouldn't transfer to the actual multiplayer.
No its a problem occuring in the actual mutiplayer, people are getting stuff they've unlocked relocked.
http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/343/index/9653611/1#9662888