Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete
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"From Ashes" is optional. Completely. But in your case I'm starting to wonder if twisting words just to get people riled up was your goal in the first place.
WAAGH! Bioware is charging extra for DLC that was created after the game was sent for certification and therefore separately budgeted! WAAGH! EA is worse than Hitler! WAAGH! I know everything about this piece of content that I haven't seen a single screenshot of based on a single piece of leaked information! WAAGH! I'm entitled to get it for free, just because.
I really doubt that the Protean is going to be such an enormous deal in ME3 (sadly), otherwise they wouldn't have made it DLC (I'm going to have to trust Bioware on that). No doubt he's going to add a lot to the lore, but probably not that much to the actual story of ME3. Other than that, I'm getting CE, so I'm not bothered.
Ok, Really, the I doubt the Prothean will turn out to be some essential part of the story or W/E. More likely, it will be like the Back to Karkand BF3 DLC: A fan service. Its not necessary, its not 100% needed, it is cool to have if your a fan of the series and know the game and its lore - much like a collectors edition would be.
How much of a role the Prothean will play remains to be seen, but I remain highly sceptical that it is some all important piece of story or W/E, beyond a fan service.
How much of a role the Prothean will play remains to be seen, but I remain highly sceptical that it is some all important piece of story or W/E, beyond a fan service.
It's okay, badgers are reknowned for their ability to take a punch to the face.Blunderboy said:
Self entitled twats tend to call the police.
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Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:
That's one of the benefits of being a poster on BSN, if you can wade through the creepiness, you find out new news about Mass Effect 3 faster. It also gives you perspective on what to be pissed off about and what to dismiss as 'nothing worth worrying about' and if you ask me, while Bioware are in the naughty stool for me for a lot relating to Mass Effect 3, this isn't one of them.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).
Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.
Having read the spoilers in the leaked script (the actual proper leaked script, not the shockingly crappy draft) I can confirm that the arguments about the Prothean being super important and essential to the plot are false.
In the original draft, he was central to the story. However in the actual script of the game his role has been decreased dramatically, to the point that there is virtually no difference between a game that DOES have him and a game that DOESN'T. To put it simply he is no longer key to the plot, and the plot goes along perfectly well without him being in it at all.
The only thing that happens if you download him is you get an additional mission and then he's a squadmate, that's it. He has no vital intel or central conflict that the game would be lost without, just a minor mission that has little to no bearing on the actual story itself and after that he, like Zaeed and Kasumi before him, just exists on the ship with nothing more to say to you.
He is not 'removed' content, he is 'tacked on' content.
Hell, I'll give you a little fun fact about his DLC mission:
He can DIE, minutes into his recruitment mission. He basically wakes up, ragdolls a few Cerberus soldiers and then sees Shepard and Company, panics and Shepard has to convince him that he's not a threat, otherwise kill him.
Yeah that's a fitting treatment for a character who is apparently super duper mega important to the plot.
Yeah that's a fitting treatment for a character who is apparently super duper mega important to the plot.
Bioware redesigning established female characters just to give them sex appeal? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware relying on gimmicks to market the game? That's something to be pissed about. Bioware adding an IGN reviewer to the cast in Mass Effect 3? Something to be pissed about (arguably). Bioware still not giving any info about whether or not they've given the approval to the Play Arts Kai line of action figures? Something to be pissed about (though I would be shocked if they didn't approve of them, they look great).
Bioware making a day one DLC be a bonus mission and squadmate that has no bearing on the game story whatsoever? Not something to be pissed about. If you want, you can be pissed that Bioware decided to add something to the story that should be important but turned it into a gimmick, or pissed that Bioware would make a dumb decision like adding a prothean to the plot in the first place (I think it's dumb anyway). All I'm saying is, do a little research first and know what should and shouldn't be hated on.
Zaeed and Kasumi were hollow and sloppily implemented compared to the vanilla crew, I imagine this prothean squadmate will follow the same formula...particularily since Bioware admitted that the whole concept was a post-gold afterthough. I don't think I will be missing anything important or interesting by not purchasing this somewhat manipulative DLC.
Wow, I didn't know spending an extra 20 pounds or dollars for a collectors edition's special stuff was classified as 'free'. Essentially, everyone will have to/is paying for that piece of extra content however the people purchasing the Standard edition will be getting that small chunk at a slightly pricer cost if you separate and price the extra content of the CE, unless you also get the Normandy armoury included as well then everyone will be getting fairly the same amount of content for the same/similar price. Just be glad they didn't hold it for a month and reveal it after everyone has already completed their X amount of playthroughs of the game before going onto something new.00slash00 said:
Additionally, we don't know how much this character will actually lend to the game's story in terms of interesting stuff such as character interactions and contribution. If Bioware is having the character as an incentive then it really suggests that he/she/it is in no way critical to the plot or characters. Yes it is an interesting lore character but I wouldn't expect much more than a few conversations and side/loyalty missions to crop up for it. So if you buy the game, you will be getting the full story. Though logically thinking the fact the Prothean is alive (and apparently rastafarian) is extremely questionable of Bioware. It completely goes against the Reapers and the idea of that machine race having killed entire universes multple times. Also, It also doesn't make sense.
Anyways, it all boils down to if you don't want the DLC, then don't buy it. People who want it already have but no one is forcing you to.
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Edit: Just checked a post describing the DLC's content on Bioware forums it will be including the character, a return to Eden Prime, a weapon(potentially weapons) and Alternate Appearances for everyone, Oh Hooray! /sarcasm. Now if the the Eden Prime revisit is seperate from the Squad mate's missions then I'm okay with this DLC. So in the name of the court, Bitchin' and Moanin' Motion Denied!
[sub]Now I need to go and actually buy the game...[/sub]
As Mr. Zhukov pointed out: this very topic has been made several times already. So I'll post here what I posted elsewhere and hope (but doubt) that you'll put things into a bit more perspective.00slash00 said:
Seriously, I wasn't around this site when ME 2 first came out, but I'd have to hope that there was no bitching about Zaeed seeing as how that's likely going to be the exact same case with this DLC. You'll get a bit more story, a bit more lore, but I'm betting that when you go to talk to this extra character, they'll just spout out random lines the way Zaeed and Kasumi did...that alone means "No, they are not integral parts to the game."RJ 17 said:
It's optional.
If you want it, or you're afraid you'll miss out on something, buy it.
If you think it's not worth it, don't.
Zaeed and Kasumi were fun, independent side quests, and nothing more.
I doubt this guy will totally alter the perspective on Mass Effect for anyone.
If you want it, or you're afraid you'll miss out on something, buy it.
If you think it's not worth it, don't.
Zaeed and Kasumi were fun, independent side quests, and nothing more.
I doubt this guy will totally alter the perspective on Mass Effect for anyone.
So if I refuses to buy this DLC does the game freeze 10 before the end right before Shepard is about to delivery the last series of killing blows? Does a store screen then pop up and state that it I don't buy said DLC then I can not finish the game?
......................................No? then shut up!
If the Reapers are defeated, the game is Completed.
......................................No? then shut up!
If the Reapers are defeated, the game is Completed.
Urgh. This is why I usually avoid these threads.Zeel said:
Unless you worked on the game you don't know how the planned it. If they initially planned it as DLC then that was taken into account during the development cycle.
And how did it not cost them extra? A highly trained team spent hours working on it. Do you think they were working for free?
Frankly, get over yourself.
Don't bother with Zeel, the guy's just come off suspension for pretty much the exact same thing in another ME3 thread.Blunderboy said:
All you'll get is 'you're warping the issues' over and over again.
It's just easier to ignore him.
EDIT: Whoops, messed up my quotes. Fixed now.
In a nutshell, if you don't think you are being given sufficient value for your money, then the obvious course of action is to simply not hand over your money.
Moving on...
In fact, you are wilfully ignorant of said processes, since I have seen more knowledgable and less whiny people explain them to you in detail.
Now hurry up and call someone a moron again so you can get banned.
Ah, how timely. I just wrote a post elsewhere [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.351823.13931737] that basically says everything I would have said to you here.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
In a nutshell, if you don't think you are being given sufficient value for your money, then the obvious course of action is to simply not hand over your money.
Moving on...
You don't understand the processes of game development.Zeel said:
In fact, you are wilfully ignorant of said processes, since I have seen more knowledgable and less whiny people explain them to you in detail.
Now hurry up and call someone a moron again so you can get banned.
I don't care overly, especially because I'm suspicious as to whether he will be vital to the lore as is claimed. I don't think Bioware would leave out an absolutely essential character, I think they'd leave out someone like Zaeed or Kasumi.
However, I do think the whole idea of DLC released on the first day is questionable, and I can see it starting a trend I do not support, and actually predicted back when DLC was young (and got promptly mocked for on this website in particular, funny that)
A game should be released as complete. A full story with all characters and plotlines that it was able to develop for the release date included. If the developers can get it ready for the release date, it should be in the game. DLC is for stuff that couldn't have been gotten ready for release day. It was too complicated, it was superfluous to the main storyline but nice to add to the universe, whatever the reason. It is finished and thus released later, but for less money.
This has been released on release day. They clearly had it ready for that date, but are releasing it separately in order to make more money. This is exactly the situation I predicted nearly three years ago when DLC first really exploded as a means for developers to add content to games.
It speaks of a situation when they really do release games incomplete, and charge full price for the unfinished game plus extra for the content to finish it. My new prediction is that within the next three years that will become the norm.
However, I do think the whole idea of DLC released on the first day is questionable, and I can see it starting a trend I do not support, and actually predicted back when DLC was young (and got promptly mocked for on this website in particular, funny that)
A game should be released as complete. A full story with all characters and plotlines that it was able to develop for the release date included. If the developers can get it ready for the release date, it should be in the game. DLC is for stuff that couldn't have been gotten ready for release day. It was too complicated, it was superfluous to the main storyline but nice to add to the universe, whatever the reason. It is finished and thus released later, but for less money.
This has been released on release day. They clearly had it ready for that date, but are releasing it separately in order to make more money. This is exactly the situation I predicted nearly three years ago when DLC first really exploded as a means for developers to add content to games.
It speaks of a situation when they really do release games incomplete, and charge full price for the unfinished game plus extra for the content to finish it. My new prediction is that within the next three years that will become the norm.