Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[Tony2077]

InB4 the game comes out and everyone complaining buys it anyways.

so 51 out of 1115 people are... bad odds?

I will be sticking to my boycott unless they change the prothean bullshit.

its one page and boycotts like this never work

 

[Krion_Vark]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

 

[Tony2077]

InB4 the game comes out and everyone complaining buys it anyways.

so 51 out of 1115 people are... bad odds?

I will be sticking to my boycott unless they change the prothean bullshit.

its one page and boycotts like this never work

it worked for Dead Space and Origins. EA games really likes money, threatened them there and you can make them your *****.

i don't think i've heard about that oh well guess it wasn't that important

 

[Tony2077]

InB4 the game comes out and everyone complaining buys it anyways.

so 51 out of 1115 people are... bad odds?

I will be sticking to my boycott unless they change the prothean bullshit.

its one page and boycotts like this never work

it worked for Dead Space and Origins. EA games really likes money, threatened them there and you can make them your *****.

hmm from dust from ashes names are little bit the same but doesn't make what I've said false

Pretttty sure it does.

i'm pretty sure all the info i've found make it look like your crying because they won't give it to you on a golden platter. oh and i haven't found anything to confirm that receipt is the real deal

 

[SajuukKhar]

i'm pretty sure all the info i've found make it look like your crying because they won't give it to you on a golden platter

Games could crap solid gold and there would still be people who complain that the gold isn't shiny enough.

 

[RJ 17]

I think we are just going to disagree. if its capable of being put on every disc, I dont see why it gets to be 'special' content for collectors edition.

yeah, most likely we will disagree again. Zaeed was put on every disc but only people who bought the game new get to play as him. And since the Cerberus Network is officially done (and has been for a while now) he's not even in the game anymore despite the fact that he's on the disc (this has been confirmed with two recent ME 2 playthroughs featuring no Zaeed waiting for me on Omega).

You know, it just occurs to me that Zaeed and this Prothean are actually very similar in their implementation.

Both were/are on the disc to begin with.
Both were/are available for free for people who buy a more expensive version of the game (As in Zaeed being on new copies while he was not available for free on used copies, which themselves cost less than new copies the way ME 3's standard version will cost less than the CE)
As such both can be downloaded by people who bought the game at the cheaper price.

But beyond that, yes or no: would you be happier if the Prothean was indeed exclusively a CE bonus?

 

[Tony2077]

i'm pretty sure all the info i've found make it look like your crying because they won't give it to you on a golden platter

Games could crap solid gold and there would still be people who complain that the gold isn't shiny enough.

maybe they want golden crap with gems in it like from that one episode of American dad

 

[Tony2077]

I think we are just going to disagree. if its capable of being put on every disc, I dont see why it gets to be 'special' content for collectors edition.

yeah, most likely we will disagree again. Zaeed was put on every disc but only people who bought the game new get to play as him. And since the Cerberus Network is officially done (and has been for a while now) he's not even in the game anymore despite the fact that he's on the disc (this has been confirmed with two recent ME 2 playthroughs featuring no Zaeed waiting for me on Omega).

You know, it just occurs to me that Zaeed and this Prothean are actually very similar in their implementation.

Both were/are on the disc to begin with.
Both were/are available for free for people who buy a more expensive version of the game (As in Zaeed being on new copies while he was not available for free on used copies, which themselves cost less than new copies the way ME 3's standard version will cost less than the CE)
As such both can be downloaded by people who bought the game at the cheaper price.

But beyond that, yes or no: would you be happier if the Prothean was indeed exclusively a CE bonus?

i started a play through a month or so ago and he was waiting for me

 

[Tony2077]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

 

[RJ 17]

i started a play through a month or so ago and he was waiting for me

Hmmmm, well that's just odd then. Because as I said: I've played through twice now in the past month and he hasn't been there.

 

[Tony2077]

i started a play through a month or so ago and he was waiting for me

Hmmmm, well that's just odd then. Because as I said: I've played through twice now in the past month and he hasn't been there.

what you playing it on and do you have it installed since i had to re download the dlc

 

[idarkphoenixi]

Not that I was going to suck up to EA by using their crappy 'Origin' service anyway...but this gives me even less incentive to go buy it.

Not everybody can be expected to splash out on a pre-order, so what happens to everybody else? They're getting punished for being late. I'll stick with Skyrim thanks, at least that game has value.

 

[Tony2077]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

none of it is concrete and never call me anthony . mine is from bioware themselves

 

[RJ 17]

i started a play through a month or so ago and he was waiting for me

Hmmmm, well that's just odd then. Because as I said: I've played through twice now in the past month and he hasn't been there.

what you playing it on and do you have it installed since i had to re download the dlc

I'm on the XBox, I had figured that since they officially shut down the Cerberus Network and since Zaeed came with the Network that he was no longer gonna be around. I'll look into it when I get home from work today.

:3 god I've been spending too much time on this site today...I haven't gotten anything done...

 

[00slash00]

Somewhere in these 7 pages, I saw someone point out "It's not like you'll get to a certain part of the game and it'll suddenly freeze and say "You need to give us $10 for the Prothean character or else you can't go any further." " THAT would be selling an incomplete game.

well i didnt literally mean incomplete and i should have stated that in my original post. i was kinda just trying make the topic shorter because "mass effect 3 cut out a likely significant character to be sold as day 1 dlc" seemed like too long of a title. basically what i meant by incomplete was not in terms of the game itself but the lore and story. its likely that the character will have no impact on the story but i find it harder to believe that it would not enhance the lore and, for me, the lore has always been the most appealing part of mass effect. the gameplay and story are fine but the lore and universe they created was always the most interesting part to me and really, the main reason i play the games. for me personally, not knowing all the lore and not being able to see the complete picture would make the story feel incomplete to me. however, and i dont know if this is true or not, i have seen people saying that the character is in the game either way and that all the dlc does is let you recruit him but even without it, you still encounter him and learn what he knows. if thats true, then i dont have much of a problem with this. i was never planning to boycott the game, i just thought that it was a kind of shitty thing to do

 

[LordFisheh]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.

Not tru, if you buy the DLC the character is a squadmate, If you do not, it's still a NPC that delivers the same plot points that it would otherwise.

Really, I give 0 fucks because I have a collectors edition, but, I wanted to make sure you knew you were wrong.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

The thing is he isn't essential, and he is still in the game regardless.

 

[Tony2077]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

it may be essential but all the dlc does is add them as a selectable squad member or it may be a complete different one then from the leaked script which i never read since i don't want to spoil the whole game

 

[SajuukKhar]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

The thing is he isn't essential, and he is still in the game regardless.

So its not a essential but he has to be in the game anyways? Me thinks its not like Zaeed or kasumi at-fucking all.

Let me be more clear, he is not essential to te plot in that he needs to be recruitable to get all the information he would give out of him.