Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[lacktheknack]

1. I didn't "change my definitions", I operated under the assumption that "Going Gold" means "completed". As stands, it happened "during certification" also happens to mean "completed". The burden of evidence is on you to prove the game wasn't completed and submitted before the DLC had significant progress completed. Because like it or not, Bioware is the only witness.

Feburary 13th "officially" gold.
https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/statuses/168934352154136576

Drop this. You clearly don't give a damn about anything I say.

2. Your relation to Bioware consists of >9000 threads about how much they suck.

Also, I DO NOT have the customers' "best interests" in mind. I work as a cashier, and every time a customer feels that our pricing is unfair, and wish to barter for it, I wish to strangle them. This is basically a customer grabbing our premade Pepperoni Oven-Fresh Pizza, which costs $7, and seeing that our Pepperoni-and-Mushroom Oven-Fresh Pizza costs $8, demands that we add mushrooms to their selection for no extra charge. And then when the A La Carte staff just shake their heads, they come and yell at ME about it. This has happened, and our manager essentially told them to screw off.

This thread is full of those people, except they're much more vocal. Sorry, I can't support you guys while you resemble the people I wish would sod off under a rock and die.

you mislable our argument then if you think we want extra mushrooms. We want the pepperoni advertised on on the blasted box. Is the regular edition the full game or not?

The prothean is mushrooms. Bioware claims this (you know, the people who MADE IT), and it makes sense. The pepperoni is the whole "Fight the Reapers" thing that the blasted series is about. The series was about the protheans for about an hour in the first game, and then Shepherd interacted with the beacon and then the focus completely changed. The importance of the protheans was immensely reduced at the end of game one anyways.

The game can be completed satisfactorily without a prothean squadmate. I'd understand the outrage if they removed the final fight of the main game and charged for it, but that quite frankly isn't the case by any measure.

So yes, the regular edition is the full game.

End of.

 

[Tony2077]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

I already gave you proof over on the other thread.

i gave you proof you were wrong so can we stop this circle

No you did not. "content ready" is NOT GOLD. stop PRETENDING IT IS.

at least you understand that much so why are you still acting like it is. the content was finished before the gold thing was announced so stop this already your not really helping your case by moving it to a different thread

 

[lacktheknack]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

But they made a perfectly satisfying version without him (the movie). Sure, it's not the same, but I doubt people felt outright ripped off by him not being in the movie.

 

[lacktheknack]

No you did not. "content ready" is NOT GOLD. stop PRETENDING IT IS.

... Content ready is all that I care about.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

 

[Tony2077]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

The leaks say as much.

there is a thread on the bioware forum that said he was just fan service

 

[Frostbite3789]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

Kasumi was human, which given their importance to the lore, means she might have been vital to the story...except she wasn't. She was a cool extra character, with a neat loyalty mission.

 

[Aprilgold]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

Hold on while I fetch the wiki on the Protheans.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean

I once again go back to it, if its something that is this important to the story, it is very important still, despite how they handle it. Actually, going back on it, you took what was essentially a joke and want to argue with me on it. Thats hilarious as hell.


Finishing statement. It will be very much a story changer, despite how they want to handle it, if its anything but people will whine, if its anything more then people will feel cheated and maybe a little bit happy they did it anyway.

 

[SajuukKhar]

This thread again?

Well basically to sum up why Bioware is NOT scamming you1

1. the character is still in the game
2. the Dlc only makes him recruitable
3. the dlc is not needed to get the full story or best ending.

 

[00slash00]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

Kasumi was human, which given their importance to the lore, means she might have been vital to the story...except she wasn't. She was a cool extra character, with a neat loyalty mission.

wait...what? i think i see the point youre trying to make but considering your party already has a bunch of humans, i dont think anyone expected one more human to increase the games lore or add much to the story. correct me if im wrong, but you dont already have an abundance of protheins in your party

 

[Tony2077]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

Hold on while I fetch the wiki on the Protheans.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean

I once again go back to it, if its something that is this important to the story, it is very important still, despite how they handle it.

Also, I am very sick of this "YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD TILL ITS OUT" shit. Is that why we all condemn CoD like its the fucking anti-christ? The next game isn't out, you can't bash CoD until the next game is out. I never even said that it would be important to gampeplay, but story wise it will be very important, which is obvious.

there important but i don't see why having one on your team is important to the lore or even the story

 

[Zhukov]

[Snip]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped. The Protheans make the character imporant in the universe, and serve as a setting stone. I can also guess that if it isn't anything but a big DLC then people will ***** about such a wasted opportunity. Its taking Dev time away from the main product for something to be shipped out afterwards, so the game will not have as high of a polish then it would if they didn't do this.

Like I've already said, how do you know that the Prothean constitutes a pivotal plot point?

You don't. All you can say is, "It's a Prothean!" Because that is all you know. His importance depends on how the story is structured and what role he plays in it.

Like I've also already said, if he does turn out to be vital to the plot, then sure, that's some dodgy price gouging. Although if he is pivotal, why would he be handed off to the DLC team and tacked on at the end? That's like building the foundations after you've already completed the house.

Lastly, the phrase "taking dev time away from the main product" demonstrates that you are not aware of the processes of game development.

Also, just going to say it, that last statement makes you look like a tosser...

Do know what the best part is about having a generally low opinion of a certain group of people?

You don't get upset when one of them says you look like a tosser. It's brilliant.

 

[OManoghue]

It's an EA game now. Of course there's day one DLC.

 

[Aprilgold]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

Hold on while I fetch the wiki on the Protheans.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean

I once again go back to it, if its something that is this important to the story, it is very important still, despite how they handle it.

Also, I am very sick of this "YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD TILL ITS OUT" shit. Is that why we all condemn CoD like its the fucking anti-christ? The next game isn't out, you can't bash CoD until the next game is out. I never even said that it would be important to gampeplay, but story wise it will be very important, which is obvious.

there important but i don't see why having one on your team is important to the lore or even the story

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

snippies

I'm just going to fetch the wiki and you can read up on it yourself for why its important to the lore.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean
*spoiler, thats a lot of reading.*

There is a small time in-between a game being sold to the masses, and a time where its still in development. Within this period the artists have not much or anything at all to do, however, what some games have done during this time is allow the artists to make skins for weapons / items as pre-order DLC, which would require minimal coding. A brand new character that is probably going to be played up is going to take more time on the coders and general making stuff people, I'm generalizing because I am forgetting the job title.

And lastly, that was my point with that statement, so how do you think I feel that you called me a self entitled dick? Double edged sword, friend, double edged sword.

 

[Crazycat690]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

Get a clue, I mean it's not hard figuring out that the character is going to be important. Stop being in such denial, if you wanna buy the game and show EA that these shitty tactics do work, go right ahead. But don't you dare make this into a small deal, throw it aside like it's nothing. It is a big deal, I shouldn't have to pay for it and neither should you or anyone else!

I'm not a fan of Mass Effect, I think it's good and have considered buying the third game. But knowing this I simply wont buy it, I might borrow it from a friend later on, and get the stripped down version instead of the actual game. Seriously, EA, you're making Activision look awesome, then you're doing something wrong...

Sad that so many gamers are just going to roll over for EA. EA games are just going to evolve into more of this shit, and "DLC the game" will become reality, mark my word fools!

 

[lacktheknack]

Drop this. You clearly don't give a damn about anything I say.

Hey that's my line! He said there ME3 went gold feburary 13th. Right there, right there on his god damn twitter. Anything else is irrelevant.

ALSO CONSIDERING THE DEMO WAS RELEASED the day after, that makes freaking sense.

The prothean is mushrooms. Bioware claims this (you know, the people who MADE IT), and it makes sense.

How do you figure? I mean, do we have to do a history lesson here. me1=prothean beacon that state the game prothean override that ends the game and saved the citadel.

me2: protheans are the collectors = start the game plot.

The pepperoni is the whole "Fight the Reapers" thing that the blasted series is about. The series was about the protheans for about an hour in the first game, and then Shepherd interacted with the beacon and then the focus completely changed. The importance of the protheans was immensely reduced at the end of game one anyways.

Keep mangling up those definitions. "fight the reaper" thing is only part of the game. Theres the whole lore thing you keep sidelining. Is lore important to the game?

The game can be completed satisfactorily without a prothean squadmate.

Oh, now its "completed" satisfactorily". Is lore essential to the game?


Answer me this; why are you buying Mass Effect 3. is it for the final boss?

No you did not. "content ready" is NOT GOLD. stop PRETENDING IT IS.

... Content ready is all that I care about.

The content wasn't ready if it didn't go gold.

Congratulations, that's your line. Sadly, it's not Bioware's line. If you can't stand this, then keep whining impotently or just don't buy.

And the Protheans were one of fifty billion other advanced races that got eaten. Hoorah? And yes, lore is important. Having a piece of the lore on your squad DOES NOT EFFECT the lore.

I'll repeat, THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

Again? THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

Shall I say it again until you actually acknowledge things I say? THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

THE LORE IS UNAFFECTED BY THIS SQUADMATE.

How exactly would the last Prothean alive, who cannot breed or repopulate the species, become integral to the lore of Mass Effect? Congrats, you found a Prothean. What use is he other than an exposition dump? The stuff he says can't become integral later on in the series, because the series is over. Any major effect he would have on the lore would happen AFTER Mass Effect 3 is over.

You also say that "Content ready is not gold", followed immediately by "It's not content-ready if it's not gold". Contradiction!

Also, I'm not buying Mass Effect 3 for completely different reasons. If I was to buy it, it would be for completion of the Reapers Attack storyline, yes.

 

[Zhukov]

This thread again?

Well basically to sum up why Bioware is NOT scamming you1

1. the character is still in the game
2. the Dlc only makes him recruitable
3. the dlc is not needed to get the full story or best ending.

Where did you learn this?

Do you have a link?

 

[Tony2077]

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped.

Oh so you've played ME3 all the way through and know that this DLC character is key to the plot of the whole game?

Hold on while I fetch the wiki on the Protheans.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean

I once again go back to it, if its something that is this important to the story, it is very important still, despite how they handle it.

Also, I am very sick of this "YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD TILL ITS OUT" shit. Is that why we all condemn CoD like its the fucking anti-christ? The next game isn't out, you can't bash CoD until the next game is out. I never even said that it would be important to gampeplay, but story wise it will be very important, which is obvious.

there important but i don't see why having one on your team is important to the lore or even the story

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

still its doesn't change the fact that one of the bioware people said it was fan service made after the game was done. since i don't work for them i can't say if its the truth but i don't really have any reason to believe otherwise. since we use there tech anyway and it is reaper tech so he doesn't bring anything important to the table

 

[lacktheknack]

Its a living prothean, which have been said to be extinct. "OK everyone, were going to beam down to the planet, me and the prothean are going to hang" once on planet "HOLY SHIT ITS A PROTHEAN, EVERYONE ALERT THE MEDIA, THESE DUDES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD AS SHIT SON!" But on a much larger scale. Hell, even Shephard would be like "OMFG ITS A PROTHEAN!" since its basically his whole reason for being important.

Within the context on the story, its impossible for them to play this off as a low-key character when he is part of a extinct race that is heavily important to the lore.

You forget that Mass Effect 3 is a thirty-hour game.

Even if the Prothean held the secrets to utopia and turned out to be the biggest deal ever, it wouldn't happen until after Mass Effect 3 (and by extension, the series) is over. And the whole debacle is based entirely around how this effects Mass Effect 3.

 

[rokema]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

But they made a perfectly satisfying version without him (the movie). Sure, it's not the same, but I doubt people felt outright ripped off by him not being in the movie.

What if there was a version with tom bombadil in the movie but you had to pay an extra 10 bucks to see it?