Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[anthony87]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

uhm what? Protheans are not that hot shit there buddy. They are not the whole reason this series exists. I don't think you really understand the lore you are bitching about. Protheans were just the last dominate race to been eradicated by the Reapers. The latest in a cycle that has existed since the beginning of time, if Sovereign's words can be believed. Their only importance is that they may have held out the longest against the Reapers though really that can not be confirmed as it is very possible that another race held out longer and we just don't know about it because it happened so long ago that nothing is left.

A lot of "false" importance was placed on the Protheans in the first game because it was believed that the protheans were responsible for the creation of the Citadel and the Mass Effect Relays, something that is proven false by the end of the first game.

The Protheans are not as important as you are making them out to be.

 

[Bigeyez]

You know what people say about assuming things...

 

[Relaver]

Think, what if they did NOT have a first day DLC with a prothian. Would you still be bitching that their wasn't a Prothian? Its DLC you dont NEED it to play Mass Effect 3 but if you want it you can buy it.

 

[lacktheknack]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705

Sorry, "well after the game went into certification".

Read: Was complete, but didn't have all the paperwork needed to call it "gold".

oh so you're just changing your definition of when it's acceptable to add content to a game. That's just lovely. Don't understand the relation of your link. I don't care what Bioware says, they are liars. Especially when theres evidence to the contrary.

...

OK. Excuse me while I disregard everything you say on your A. compelling evidence and B. shining track record in relation to Bioware.

(Stunningly, I tend to not pay attention to the opinions of people who uncontrollably hate the topic.)

A. DO you deny that the game went gold feburary 13th? Because i'm pretty damn sure that's compelling evidence.

B. my relation to Bioware? Are you kidding me? Those people are on Bioware's payroll, they can not say anything negative about bioware or they will be fired. I, however, have only the customers interest in mind.

1. I didn't "change my definitions", I operated under the assumption that "Going Gold" means "completed". As stands, it happened "during certification" also happens to mean "completed". The burden of evidence is on you to prove the game wasn't completed and submitted before the DLC had significant progress completed. Because like it or not, Bioware is the only witness.

2. Your relation to Bioware consists of >9000 threads about how much they suck.

Also, I DO NOT have the customers' "best interests" in mind. I work as a cashier, and every time a customer feels that our pricing is unfair, and wish to barter for it, I wish to strangle them. This is basically a customer grabbing our premade Pepperoni Oven-Fresh Pizza, which costs $7, and seeing that our Pepperoni-and-Mushroom Oven-Fresh Pizza costs $8, demands that we add mushrooms to their selection for no extra charge. And then when the A La Carte staff just shake their heads, they come and yell at ME about it. This has happened, and our manager essentially told them to screw off.

This thread is full of those people, except they're much more vocal. Sorry, I can't support you guys while you resemble the people I wish would sod off under a rock and die.

 

[Tony2077]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

i showed you proof and your still going on about this damn man when will it end

 

[rokema]

H-hey, there's no cheese on my pizza...
-Cheese will cost you extra.
Yeah but pizzas are supposed to have cheese...
-If I didn't put in pepperoni you wouldn't complain.
Indeed but cheese is an important part of the pizza, leaving it out will change the whole experience... pepperoni is just a little gimmick on the side.
-If you don't want it don't buy it.
B-but I am allowed to an opinion which is justi-
-SHUT UP YOU SELF-ENTITLED ******, SERIOUSLY YOU PIZZA-EATERS THESE DAYS

 

[00slash00]

Seriously, I wasn't around this site when ME 2 first came out, but I'd have to hope that there was no bitching about Zaeed seeing as how that's likely going to be the exact same case with this DLC. You'll get a bit more story, a bit more lore, but I'm betting that when you go to talk to this extra character, they'll just spout out random lines the way Zaeed and Kasumi did...that alone means "No, they are not integral parts to the game."

your post was long so i dont want to quote the whole thing and take up like a quarter of the page. anyway i think this is different from just having an extra character. its not like this is just a random race, its the most talked about, most mysterious, and most extinct race in the game. you dont think theres a good chance that this character might fill in a few holes and add more lore to the game. quite frankly, if they add this character to the game and they arent important, then its kind of a failure on their part. also, you want to give a special reward to people who got the special addition, thats fine. give them art books, soundtracks, weapons, whatever. but dont give them and only them characters that are important to the story and/or lore of the game and say to everyone else "sorry, should have picked up the collectors edition. sad day for you, now give us $10 if you want to see it." im all for giving incentives to buy a game new but this doesnt do that. i cant say i was ever super excited for this game but this gives me very little reason to buy the game new if ill have to pay for the dlc regardless. also this wasnt publicly announced, it was a secret that was leaked so the argument that this was a way to give people more reason to get the collectors edition doesnt work, since those who got the collectors edition didnt know they were getting this

 

[lacktheknack]

H-hey, there's no cheese on my pizza...
-Cheese will cost you extra.
Yeah but pizzas are supposed to have cheese...
-If I didn't put in pepperoni you wouldn't complain.
Indeed but cheese is an important part of the pizza, leaving it out will change the whole experience... pepperoni is just a little gimmick on the side.
-If you don't want it don't buy it.
B-but I am allowed to an opinion which is justi-
-SHUT UP YOU SELF-ENTITLED ******, SERIOUSLY YOU GAMERS THESE DAYS

Bioware claims that the Prothean isn't cheese, it's pepperoni.

 

[rokema]

There's a big difference between cheese and toppings like meat and pepperoni.

 

[anthony87]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

 

[Redryhno]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

Yeah, but after ME2, the Protheans were no longer really that important to the story beyond being the Collectors and since you either blew up their station or killed everything in it, I doubt ONE Prothean is going to dramatically alter the story. It'll probably be more like any character you pick up from DLC, like Shale or Kasumi, fun, colorful, and not very important to anything beyond adding a few lines of dialogue in an otherwise silent point.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Curious into knowing how a Prothean character can exist seeing as they have been made extinct, twice. But Kasumi and Zaeed were added in later on with ME2 and I don't feel particularly bothered about not having them on my team. Garrus, Tali, Legion, Wrex, Grunt, Mordin, Thane Kaiden and Joker, That's all I need on my crew! (Unless there is a recruitable Elcor added in Mass Effect 3).
His origins will be interesting but that's probably it so... Thank God for Youtube.

 

[Tony2077]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

I already gave you proof over on the other thread.

i gave you proof you were wrong so can we stop this circle

 

[rokema]

Being a squadmate, the Prothean will affect the story and gameplay of the player.
Even if he is a small part of the story and doesn't really have a huge impact doesn't mean he isn't important. Like Tom bombadil in LOTR, he didn't do shit but the book wouldn't be the same without him.

 

[Aprilgold]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Mate, its like making Princess Peach a freaking DLC. She is a pivotal plot point to keep the player moving and to start each game by getting kidnapped. The Protheans make the character imporant in the universe, and serve as a setting stone. I can also guess that if it isn't anything but a big DLC then people will ***** about such a wasted opportunity. Its taking Dev time away from the main product for something to be shipped out afterwards, so the game will not have as high of a polish then it would if they didn't do this.

Also, just going to say it, that last statement makes you look like a tosser, but hay, I'm just a whiner, so why does what I say matters.

I think it just a smartly engineered plot to get people to buy the Collector's Edition so they can see this big improvement / big disappointment. I agree with Total Biscuit on this, its very much trying to milk the player base to the most obvious and highest extent. Grab all the money you can, its the end of the series as we know it.

 

[anthony87]

ITT: Anti-anti-Bioware backlash.

It's positively beautiful.

As others have said, the content was developed well after ME3 went gold. So it's not "incomplete".

No it wasn't. game just went gold feburary 13th. Prothean character dlc revealed feburary 8th.

Fight on proud keyboard warrior. How dare people try to sell you things you're entitled to because of reasons.

Those reasons being I bought the game. I want it 100% not 98.

You get 100%

If you want 101% then buy the DLC.

Simples.

Sure, some cosmetics that are just the artist team playing around are additional.
Things like squademates and missions aren't something you can create in 2 weeks. The gold period was a week ago;

1.One of my most poignant points is the fact that all of this is during the inital development cycle. As in, the same budget. Let's say I grant you the point that these are additions, these are 'additions' that use the original budget. They aren't adding extra money to develop these 'additions'. yet they are charging you more for it. Does that make sense to you? An additional product that is costing the company nothing. If there is time to develop something during the first cycle then the budget had enough room for it. Ergo, there is no 'additional cost'

2. What seems more likely to you? That a company whos number one priority is to profit, would develop extra content for the consumer that would generate no extra profit. OR that they'd mince up some of the product and charge you extra for it.

Are you on the development team? Have you ever been on any development team? If your answer to either is "no" then you have no basis for what you say other than speculation. Your "poignant" points that you've now copied and pasted for the second or third time are also pure speculation. You keep saying that the DLC was created in the original timeframe with the original budget. How do you know?

I already gave you proof over on the other thread.

Care to post it here too? I'd rather not have to jump between multiple threads just to tell you that you're over-reacting to something that won't affect the overall game by you not having it.

 

[Something Amyss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

I think the BEST part about this thread is that you're not only posting a topic that's been done like 50 times, but you're posting the same video that pretty much everyone else has posted.

That out of the way, I'm going to let my buddy Zhukov sum this up.

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the angry guy in your absurdly long video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

Thank you.

 

[Yopaz]

EA wants to earn money from their games? Oh my god. Stop the fucking presses! This has got to be on the front page!

Seriously guys. Stop your fucking whining about day 1 DLC. It's here and things wont change. You know you aren't going to boycott the game, you are just going to give gamers a bad reputation why being a whining dick until you play the game and forget all about why you hated it. You say they cut out a vital chunk of story, but you don't know that for sure. It's something you made up.

 

[Mikeyfell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM&feature=g-u-u&context=G2d57caeFUAAAAAAAAAA

basically, an extremely vital part of the mass effect lore and story has been cut out and will be sold as dlc on launch day. it will be free if you have the collectors edition but everyone else will have to pay $10 for it. now im all for giving people a reason to buy a game new but this does the exact opposite. i have no reason to buy the game new anymore because just to get the complete story i will have to buy the dlc anyway. it just strikes me as a big "fuck you" to the fans. bravo, EA, bravo.

So?
Wait until there's a used copy then buy that.
I don't see the problem.
You still get to play the game, and say Fuck EA at the same time. Everybody wins, except EA which is the point.


This is just my mentality but it might help somebody out. Think of buying a new game as paying for the privilege of playing it sooner.
Getting free stuff with a new copy just adds incentive, and if they take that away, and you still don't think it's worth full price, just wait.