Guys you yourselves are admitting that the ending was lazy. Don't ever accept that. The day that game companies realize that they can't get away with being lazy is the day we will truly have masterpieces.
Mass Effect 3's ending wasn't that bad...
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I stated several reasons I liked the ending, and the title simply reflects my opinion.Zeel said:
Definitely. Up to the very ending it was pretty swell.spectrenihlus said:
But I'm also a fan of Stephen King, who pulls a deux ex out of his ass for nearly every book ever. So maybe I'm just easily pleased. For me, as long as the plot gets resolved and I get my happy ending, I guess I'm pleased.
I have also given several reasons for why I liked the ending but ultimately, this is an OPINION thing. You can't objectively state whether it's something people should like. By the very nature of a story, it's going to be subjective.LordofPurple said:
However, ultimately, you said it yourself: You're not here to argue this. You wanted to see if there were others who agreed that it wasn't as bad as everyone says it is.
For the record as well, I don't think it was lazy writing at all. This is a buildup that I think had been hinted at throughout the trilogy (see my post above) and even a mini-version of this occurred with the Quarian/Geth war.
If you don't want to hear someone's opinion that's different from yours, why did you come to a forum with a title that clearly established an opinion different from yours?Zeel said:
We enjoyed the endings and you didn't. That's fine. No need to begin acting like your word is supreme law and anyone who disagrees with it is an imbecile. Hell, maybe we even have lower standards than you and you have much more of an argument to begin with. That doesn't make our opinions incorrect.
I enjoyed the ending and I'm standing by that, no matter how many tantrums you throw.
Worthless to who? Myself To YOU? I shall give myself fifty lashes for my offense, great one.Zeel said:
I'll go ahead and answer this one but if you can't act like an adult and discuss this without throwing in passive-aggressive insults, I'm not going to bother discussing this with you. I encourage LordofPurple to do the same but that is up to you what you do LoP.Zeel said:
#1. You can have broad story structures like destiny in something that is not an anime. The game doesn't have to beat you over the head with it either for it to still be present.
#2. The choice/consequence argument is the one I keep hearing as to why it's bad but let me ask you a question: What choice did you make in the game that really changed something:
*NOTE: If you're here, I assume you don't care about spoilers but just in case, spoilers for all three games below
ME1: You save Wrex: You're dealing with Wrex in later ME games. You shoot Wrex: You're dealing with Wreav instead.
ME1: You save the council: They are happy but dismiss you about the reapers. You destroy the council: They are unhappy and dismiss you about the repears.
ME any: You decide to have happy time with ______: You had happy time with _______.
I'm certain I could go on and on here but you get the point. Ultimately, your choices have minimal consequences. Ultimately, you're going to the same spot to do the same thing weather you like it or not (...sounds like destiny to me).
EDIT: In fact, I think that adding the three choices at the end was a mistake. Trying to force in the illusion of choice at that point just doesn't work (especially since, as someone here told me, it's essentially the same ending). Maybe that's what has everyone worked up...
I'm gonna say this one last time. If you were perfectly happy with ME3 you have no reason to say ANYTHING in ANY outlet but this:
"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."
Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?
Dag y'all.
"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."
Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?
Dag y'all.
Everyone else has a right to fill out webpages and forums with why they hated the ending, but I'm not allowed to say in a paragraph or two why I enjoyed it? I wanted to share my view with other people, much like everyone else wanted to vent rage to other people. I'm not going to keep silent just because I happen to disagree with the majority. If I absolutely hated the ending I'd still make a post about it for the sake of my opinion being what it is.Emiscary said:
Also, I really doubt BioWare gives a damn what I say. I doubt that they're going to listen to the minority over the majority if they're genuinely considering changing anything. What you're basically saying is "for those of you who don't agree with the majority, shut the hell up."
Dude just give up. It doesn't matter if you think this, cause people are going to ***** at you no matter what. I didn't mind the ending as much as the next guy (I still think people are over reacting. Sure bad ending, but come on...it not the end of the world. For those who are acting out of hand and not the ones who are acting mature.) Though I would say state your opinion but hey this is the internet if someone doesn't like what you like then they have to tell you to shut up about it. Yet do a vice versa and they be crying like bitches saying "Wahh stop telling me what to do! I have rights!"LordofPurple said:
What's funny to me is that if you don't like it you don't have to post here. You could save us both the trouble.Outcast107 said:
It's not "wahh I have rights" so much as "Being a prick is really unneccesary". They have the right to tell me to shut up about it, I have the right to say no, it goes on and on. They also have the right to either contribute to the discussion in some way other than saying "stop discussing" or to move on and not try to put down others for disagreeing with them.
True, I was just trying to be helpful. It just get tiring of seeing the same thing. "I hate the ending." "I like it." "Shut up cause the ending was purely stupid" "No it wasn't and it not as bad as everyone thinks" etc and etc.LordofPurple said:
I just get sick and tired of hearing gamers complain about small stuff and then try to act mature about it later. As soon as something we don't like comes our way we throw a fit and be pricks towards each other and the developers or we do the opposite and do nothing when we SHOULD.
Am I saying we have to like everything they do? Hell no, but it just seem like everytime something happens a lot of us act like children and throw fits. I mean look at all the boycotts that the gamers have said they would do and over 90% of them buy the game anyways. Or when developers like Capcom pull shitty tactics like they did with Tekken vs Street fighters I hear nothing. Or you know how they release a brand new game for ultimate (Or whatever it was called) Capcom vs marvel so you had to rebuy the game to get new characters (that could have been simple DLC) and all the fixes they promise to do in the Capcom vs Marvel 3.
Idk, maybe i'm just being meh about it at the moment but I just sick and tired of how Gamers are acting now and then with games. They go after meaningless stuff and don't even focus on what hurts the industry. Anyways, the ending imo were bad, but hey just do a epilogue so everyone can shut up about it already. Or whatever they are planning with "The Truth" DLC.
Is it the word destiny that you have an issue with or do you just disagree with my take on the games? Would fate be a better word?Zeel said:
I guess for me, ultimately, your choices in the game did not really matter. You got some aesthetic differences and some character differences but the end of the road is the end of the road, no matter how you got there. I gave that "choice list" to try to demonstrate the destiny/fate/"do what Bioware" tells you story aspect.
That's why I think the ending works so well. No matter how much illusion Bioware gives you of choice/consequences, you are playing their story and what happens is going to happen no matter how you interfere (unless you died in ME2....that'll show'em!)
To answer your third question, Yes, I do think Bioware intentionally did this. If you do think Bioware did not intend to do this then I can 100% understand hating the ending. I just think that Bioware threw in plenty of hints that this was how it was going to work (Quarian/Geth is a good example of this; talking about the "life cycles" late in the game is another example).
If you don't see the game with the same eyes that I do, that's OK, you're just not going to like the ending as much (or will hate it depending on what eyes you did see it with). This is OK, I don't expect to convert you to liking the game just as I'm sure you don't expect to have my eyes opened and see the pile of shit behind the card-board cut-out of a good ending.
Also, as a quick side-bar: Try to be a bit nicer in your opinions. You are demonstrating right here that you are able to have a discussion without the insults. You obviously have a reputation on this site (fair or not I can't say. I've only seen you here due to my earlier mention of avoiding ME games like it was going to genophage me) but I've heard plenty from others and according to your forum health, you're about one more insult away from getting yourself booted from the site.
I can agree with you. While I still would have preferred some sort of closure to the ending, (Like maybe a text scroll that talks about what happened with the galaxy and my squadmates depending on the choices I have made.) I think people may be overreacting to the ending. Still, I can see why it would disappoint most though. And I wish them the best of luck in convincing Bioware to alter the endings.
In the mean time, I'm still enjoying what ME3 has to offer, and it's making me want to go back to ME1 to make a new character. I probably won't do it right away, but it will be a good way to occupy my time when there aren't any other games that I want to play.
In the mean time, I'm still enjoying what ME3 has to offer, and it's making me want to go back to ME1 to make a new character. I probably won't do it right away, but it will be a good way to occupy my time when there aren't any other games that I want to play.
I would advise you not to read or create threads like these simply to avoid reading to much about the ending and why people think it´s so awful. You seem like a reasonable person and I can´t believe you´d like the ending if you knew all the reasons why it is so bad. If you already read all the details, I honestly can´t understand how it´s possible that you don´t hate it.
I definitely didn´t pick up on all of those missteps myself and I would be much happier if hadn´t read all the discussions about it. I still wouldn´t like the ending, but I would be fine with it.
Oh, and I really liked Inception.
I definitely didn´t pick up on all of those missteps myself and I would be much happier if hadn´t read all the discussions about it. I still wouldn´t like the ending, but I would be fine with it.
Oh, and I really liked Inception.