RJ 17 said:
It's called the Extended Cut. You're quite literally the only person I've encountered since the release of the EC that believes the IT still holds water.
Not true, the third video in the OP was actually created specifically for the EC.
RJ 17 said:
The extra sequences at the end showing how the galaxy moves on...there's nothing to suggest those are hallucinations or dreams. As I mentioned previously: if they were indeed hallucinations or dreams...then why does Shepard still have one if you pick Red? Doesn't that mean you officially break free of Indoctrination? Wouldn't Red just end with Shepard waking up broken and bloodied on the battlefield?
I've already answered this. Please stop repeating the same questions over and over again.
- 1. Shepard is still incapacitated following the indoctrination attempt, regardless of whether he 'passed' or 'failed'. He wakes up in London afterwards if you choose Destroy and have a high enough EMS, remember? Everything before that is a figment of his imagination.
2. It'd be a dead giveaway.
A good analogy? Telling a homeless guy you have no cash, then buying a coffee ten metres away from him.
RJ 17 said:
And this is why I made a comment to Bloated Guppy about your absolute refusal to believe anything that Bioware says.
Nope, you said that because you can't come up with much credible evidence in lieu of insults.
RJ 17 said:
For one: you insist that the EC actually expands on the IT when it completely debunks it
It doesn't, stop repeating that as if it's a fact.
RJ 17 said:
But also because of the fact that - by the very quote you posted earlier - Bioware has said that they are done with Shepard. Yes, they want it to be a Mass Effect game, and not a spin-off, but they also want to write a new story that has little or nothing to do with Shepard and his/her crew.
This is just about the only argument of yours that actually has any weight behind it. It contradicts my fan theory to a degree (which was just for fun), but not IT.
I'd also like to remind you that their next game may very well
not be about Shepard. That doesn't mean they won't come back to Shepard in some way, shape or form. And knowing Bioware, that doesn't mean their
next game won't include Shepard either.
RJ 17 said:
As for the "Reaper Growls" while you're speaking with the Illusive Man...you do realize that HE is trying to Indoctrinate Shepard, right? Every time you hear a growl during that sequence and see the black tendrils along the outside of the screen, it's when TIM is flexing his power and using it to try and control you.
So TIM can make Reaper sounds now? And create ambient whispers? And spontaneously transfer Anderson's wound to Shepard? And teleport?
RJ 17 said:
There's an old saying: the simplest explanation is often times the correct one. It's way easier to think that that's just the sound in Shepard's mind every time TIM is trying to Indoctrinate him/her, not that it's an actual Reaper growling at Shepard through the haze of the dream. Notice that you only hear those growls when you're speaking with TIM? And only when he's using his power on you?
Not true. Once again, this is something I've already stated beforehand. The growls occur throughout ME3,
not just during the end confrontation with TIM. During dream sequences, when seeing the boy in the air vent, etc.
They also occurred in one of the ME background novels.
RJ 17 said:
"Why aren't your squadmates with you at the end?" The Normandy came and picked them up.
True with EC.
RJ 17 said:
"Why does the Citadel look like the Collector Base?" Both were made with Reaper architecture. Beyond that, think of the Collector Base: long, dark hallways filled with bodies. Where are you when that comparison is made? A long dark hallway filled with bodies. Why is it filled with bodies in both cases? Because they're trying to make a Reaper in both cases.
The geometry is far more significant than the aesthetics. For example, the character movements as described in-game are impossible.
RJ 17 said:
"Backwards writing! Just like in a dream!"
Nobody said this was evidence. In fact, the videos specifically denounce it...
RJ 17 said:
"Moving panels, just like in the Shadow Broker's ship!"
Also not important evidence. The point is more that most of his surroundings have likely been based upon Shepard's memories (Starchild certainly is, you can't deny that). And that the control panel is
not the actual Citadel control panel seen in ME1. Still a secondary consideration.
RJ 17 said:
"Well what about all the lightning!"
Which lighting argument are you referring to? The skewed shadows?
RJ 17 said:
"Well what about the fact that Anderson gets to the control panel before you, says he arrived after you, yet there's only one-way in and one-way out!" Crappy design choices are crappy, or crappy writing is crappy. Anderson says he doesn't think he came up in the same place that you did. So it's possible that he was actually the first one up the beam and was farther ahead of you along the path. That, or the world designers couldn't be arsed to make the control panel platform accessible from multiple angles.
OK:
- 1. Shepard wakes up to hear Major Coats calling off the attack, stating clearly that "no one made it to the beam". Anderson didn't pass Shepard on the way forward though, did he? So if you're going to take that scene at face value (which I don't), then you're going to have to admit you're wrong.
2. Even if Anderson did magically arrive first (in which case he'd know that Shepard hadn't reached the beam before him), he should have been visible from where Shepard was standing. Shepard was directly behind him.
RJ 17 said:
"Well why is it that the only ending that shows Shepard waking up is the Red one!" Because that's the only ending where Shepard actually still has a body.
Yeah, because it's TOTALLY BELIEVABLE that Shepard survives:
- 1. A direct hit from Harbinger's energy beam (which can bisect starships and vapourises every other human it touches). Bear in mind that if real like you're stating, and not imaginary, the impact was powerful enough to melt off his goddamn armour... and yet Shepard remains unscathed? No burns, no dismemberment, nothing?
2. A powerful explosion that engulfs him/her when the Destroy capsule is shot.
3. An explosion of almost nuclear proportions when the Citadel detonates.
4. Prolonged exposure to vacuum (without even a helmet). This has even killed Shepard before (ME2 Normandy destruction).
5. Re-entry through Earth's atmosphere (Shepard was unrecognisable when recovered by Cerberus).
6. Impact with Earth (concrete actually) at terminal velocity. SPLAT.
RJ 17 said:
"Well why is Anderson's choice Renegade Red and TIM's is Paragon Blue?" Because as much as you may hate and disagree with TIM, they want you to understand that he did have the right idea, just the wrong motivations. Anderson deals in absolutes: DESTROY THEM ALL AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES!
Mate, that's pure conjecture. In fact the very opposite has been hammered into our heads since ME1.
I'll even go so far as to deny that Destroy was even a bad option, taken at face value. It didn't kill the Geth, or any other organic-made synthetics for that matter. It didn't even destroy the Mass Relays. So regardless of whether IT is true or false,
it's irrefutable that Starchild either lied, or was wrong!
RJ 17 said:
So let me get this straight...you believe that the next ME game is going to be a 100% direct sequel that could start off right where ME3 leaves off with Shepard laying in a pile of rubble on the battlefield of Earth which is being overrun by the bulk of the Reaper army? That the game will start with him/her getting up and going to fire off the Crucible for realsies?
Possibly. But if you'd actually read the entire OP, you'd know that isn't what I think.
RJ 17 said:
Why do they need an endless army of Reaper ground forces? For the Harvest, of course. They can destroy entire cities from space - as Diana Allers points out towards the end of the game when she mentions that they didn't even bother landing on her home colony, they just blew it up from space - but they still need to send down ground troops to clean up all the technology and hunt down any survivors.
They need ground forces to completely eradicate a population, just like Krogan infantry were required to ultimately defeat the Rachni. And they do want to harvest humans. But since it's plausible that they can attack from space, I'll give you this one.
RJ 17 said:
So in accordance to the IT, what does rejecting the choices signify?
Not sure. It actually seems pretty ambiguous. On the one hand, he denies the Reapers their indoctrination attempt. On the other, he refuses to commit to destroying the Reapers.