Didnt read.....Overheating...nothing was more annoying then in ME2 when I was so used to...ya know...try not to hold down the fire button to LOLFIREFIREFIRELOL!
Mass Effect: Thermal Clips vs Overheating
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I like both systems since they are pretty much the same thing. Fire all the "rounds" and you need to reload in clips. In cooldown, fire in short bursts and you will never "overheat". Both are awesome. Switching between them... less so.
Conrad says it best in ME3. Basically it's along the lines of "Wait, we went from an ok system with nigh-unlimited ammo, to one used a hundred years ago. What?"
I just think it doesn't make much sense from that perspective for a change like that based on the universe.
Honestly, if someone came up to me and offered two guns, one had unlimited ammo but overheated versus clips, I'd take unlimited ammo. You would never be in the "Oh God, I ran out of clips! Which technically aren't bullets but part of the barrel to the gun so I can't just let it cool by itself!"
Conrad says it best in ME3. Basically it's along the lines of "Wait, we went from an ok system with nigh-unlimited ammo, to one used a hundred years ago. What?"
I just think it doesn't make much sense from that perspective for a change like that based on the universe.
Honestly, if someone came up to me and offered two guns, one had unlimited ammo but overheated versus clips, I'd take unlimited ammo. You would never be in the "Oh God, I ran out of clips! Which technically aren't bullets but part of the barrel to the gun so I can't just let it cool by itself!"
*shrug* If you say so. It's not like I hate the clip system, it just seemed to me that the overheating thing was far less of an annoyance. No, my biggest issues with the clip system have to do with implementation and consistency, not the system itself or how it worked. You see if they'd started with the clip thing in ME1 and stuck with it through out, then I wouldn't really have an issue, but they didn't; they started with the overheating thing in ME1 and then for ME2/3 (I'm guessing, I haven't played 3) they threw that out the window and brought in this clip thing without any in-game explanation for where it came from or anything and all the characters, including Shepard who was supposed to have been out of the loop for 2 yrs., just acts like everything is completely normal as if it had always been that way. And then there's the matter of consistency. With this clip system, the guns are now useless if you don't have any clips, but that doesn't make any sense considering how it was established that the guns worked in ME1. It's like, Ok these clips prevent the gun from overheating, but why can't I fire the gun without one? or simply put, there was no explanation given as to why the guns absolutely needed the damn clips in order to function. Sorry, went on a bit of a rant there.Woodsey said:
Overheating. ME1 pistol x 2 frictionless materials and high explosive ammo = a true heavy pistol. Made you be conservative with shots but I found that just made me make each shot count. I used infiltrator however. Never used an assault rifle in any mass effect game.
Thermal clips meant the combat had a better flow. You could reload in a second instead of having to sit behind cover with my dick hanging out, waiting for my stupid gun to cool down.
I do prefer the overheating mechanic, however what really killed the gameplay for me in ME2 was the universal cooldown timer for Biotic, Tech, and Weapon abilities. I loved using something like lift followed by marksman or warp (oh how I loved to abuse lift). ME2 was just Dullsville just sitting in cover waiting for my powers to cooldown.
i'll take infinite ammo any day.
on the other hand, you can fully upgrade your weapon to the point where they don't overheat. Kinda takes the challenge out of the fight when you can hose a room indefinitely.
on the other hand, you can fully upgrade your weapon to the point where they don't overheat. Kinda takes the challenge out of the fight when you can hose a room indefinitely.
From having unlimited ammo to finite ammo is called a technological advancement? Whatever, Reaper Particle Beam please.
I vastly preferred ME-1's cooling system. It was already effing established that the effing guns have thousands of effing rounds in them that effing heat the gun up that an effing heat-sink dissipates but you can still effing use the gun perpetually. Compare that to ME-2. Who in their fucking right mind would fucking limit a weapon that fucking could be perpetually fired for a fucking analogue to ammunition that would fucking lock up the gun because you fucking ran out of the fucking same shit different name ammo, thermal clip?! I did not enjoy ME-2's gun fights whatsoever due to this single gameplay alteration that left me with no ammo in the first few minutes of a fight playing on the hardest difficulty.nick2150 said:
Overheating a thousand times.
To me, ME1 catered to the RPG crowd, while ME2 catered more towards the shooter crowd. Pretty much from the first mission on, I felt like I was playing a different game in ME2. Combat flow changed, going from something slower paced but more thought out, to a fast-paced shooting gallery. I very rarely used abilities outside of the ones that upgrade your ammo in ME2. A whole lot of things I really liked about ME1 didn't make it to the sequel, actually. The only exploration I ever did was around the place I just fought in, looking for ammo. The whole exploration thing became pointless, and i'm still kinda upset about the loss of my beloved Mako.
To me, ME1 catered to the RPG crowd, while ME2 catered more towards the shooter crowd. Pretty much from the first mission on, I felt like I was playing a different game in ME2. Combat flow changed, going from something slower paced but more thought out, to a fast-paced shooting gallery. I very rarely used abilities outside of the ones that upgrade your ammo in ME2. A whole lot of things I really liked about ME1 didn't make it to the sequel, actually. The only exploration I ever did was around the place I just fought in, looking for ammo. The whole exploration thing became pointless, and i'm still kinda upset about the loss of my beloved Mako.
I have often wondered why they never incorporated something like that. In Gears of War when a turret overheats you press a button to quickly cool it down. A good compromise would be that a thermal clip is represented by a diagram the shows how much that unique thermal clip has worn down, as you press a button to use the thermal clip to rapidly cool your gun down it wears out (each thermal clip lasts a little bit differently) but at the same time you can jettison it altogether to instantly cool your gun in the thick of things and continue firing despite rapid overheating before replacing it after things have died down.Claptrap said:
Adds some dynamic complexity and depth to handling your gun and makes it so you can always fire it but have to balance both heat and thermal clips as a comprise for unlimited ammo.
Overheating. It was explained very well, and the introduction of thermal clips just felt like a cop-out.
Yes, I hate thermal clips purely for story reasons and not any gameplay reasons.
Yes, I hate thermal clips purely for story reasons and not any gameplay reasons.
I prefer the clips. I didn't like the overheating because it made the game too easy. Stick the right upgrades in certain guns and you didn't have to worry about it overheating. It was a neat idea with cool lore behind it, but it didn't execute very well with gameplay. The clips make the game more challenging and make the player think critically.
That's pretty much my problem with the overheating system. Once you upgraded a bit, it removed the vast majority of the tactics from the weapon systems. Even selecting the right ammo for the job didn't matter much because you could spam any enemy with whatever you happened to be using.NinjaDeathSlap said:
I was swapping out ammo types a lot more on the higher difficulties of ME2, since you had to make your shots count.
But they probably should have put in some lower powered weapons with the overheating system to avoid the moments when you're hiding behind cover and you've only got your powers left.