Mature games

[Legion IV]

A mature game I'd say is one that isn't childish and takes it's players seriously.
One that is intelligent enough to create a great story, great scenes, great atmosphere and an enjoyable gaming experience without resorting to childish things.

It pisses me off that people play games just because the have content inappropiate for younger audiences?
Do they think it makes them cool or something?
Granted if you do genuinly enjoy gore, voilence, sexual scenes etc then why not?
What annoys me is the people that play them to be cool.

Theres alot of goofy M games though that dont take the player to seriously and i love them. One of my favorites is conkers bad fur day or the even better remake conkers live and reloaded. If i can pry myself away from the muiltiplayer (still play it) the campaighn is just hilarious and how silly it is. Oh i love death.....

 

[obliviondoll]

Still no mention of Heavy Rain??

Contains ACTUAL mature themes.

But Madison's shower scene got more attention in some circles.

 

[Tallim]

Why all the Bayonetta hate? It's deliberatly stupid and over the top but for an action game it has one of the crispest and interesting combat systems out there.

The confusion here seems to be that a game rated for adults is just lumped into the 'mature' category. Using that logic applied to movies you could say that Porky's is a mature movie.

When I hear of a mature game what I expect is something with a deep and meaningful game that deals with subjects that traditionally aren't usually the domain of juveniles. Politics, Racism, Philosophy etc etc.

Though by my own definition Mature games are few and far between.

 

[Azure Sky]

A mature game I'd say is one that isn't childish and takes it's players seriously.
One that is intelligent enough to create a great story, great scenes, great atmosphere and an enjoyable gaming experience without resorting to childish things.

If you hadn't said it I would have said it similar.
It irritates me that there aren't many games that fall into this these days. =(

 

[Azure Sky]

Maturity is going to work, paying rent and cleaning the car. Fuck maturity!

That would be called 'Life' not maturity. ^.^

 

[G-Force]

When was the last time anyone here played a game that had themes or situations aimed at intelligent, level headed adults? Moments with a message or a serious plot?

Honestly, I can't remember any right now. The most mature game I remember was Viva Pinata, which taught kids the value of hard work and how you can start out with nothing yet arrive at a thriving utopia if you work hard enough.

Upon reading that statement I just wrote I can't help but notice it feels corny.
This is what the gaming industry has done to us. Trying to find a moral in a game about raising pinatas.

Mature games I can think of that fit this statement off the top of my head (which is suffering a bad cold right now)

Killer 7
Eternal Darkness
Valkyria Chronicles
Persona Series
Bioware Games in general
Red Dead Redemption

 

[Azure Sky]

Maturity is going to work, paying rent and cleaning the car. Fuck maturity!

That would be called 'Life' not maturity. ^.^

Frankly I suspect half the fun of gaming is the immaturity though. Gaming is that outlet for when adults want to 'Blow a load of stuff up then turn into a plane and whhoooooooooooosh! And, and then you get into a tank and run him over and...'

To be completely honest, why would people want a 'mature' game? Even the most mature games at the moment read like teen books and that's about the best place to leave them.

You would be quite surprised at some of the mature games out there, though there is a severe lack of good ones these days...

 

[Miumaru]

I just like the less restrictiveness. Some games that are not M but are violent can be odd. Like in Samurai Warriors 2, Nagamasa kills himself with Mitsuhides sword against his neck. What does it look like? Like he just dropped dead.

 

[rokkolpo]

sex and violence is considered ''mature''.

mature in the sense of, kids should not play this because it may be harmful for them to watch it.

 

[Baby Tea]

Titties sell. Violence will also sell. Titties and violence sell even more. Aiming for the Lowest common denominator works because it is the lowest common denominator. That's humanity.

But that's not maturity, which is what we're talking about.
Tits for the sake of isn't mature.
Neither is blood for the sake of blood.

However:

Frankly I suspect half the fun of gaming is the immaturity though. Gaming is that outlet for when adults want to 'Blow a load of stuff up then turn into a plane and whhoooooooooooosh! And, and then you get into a tank and run him over and...'

This I kind of agree with.
Kind of.

I love my fun, nonsense games. I had a blast with Just Cause 2, and nothing about that game was 'mature'. After all, games are about having fun, and I have fun blowing shit up. But I do love the odd game to be a little 'more' then just 'blowing shit up'. Mass Effect (both 1 and 2) fills that void a bit. I would also say that the last third of Red Dead Redemption hits the mark there as well.

Mature doesn't mean 'no violence' and such, but it does mean give the 'adult only' content some purpose. Make it mean something significant, not just flashing tits in our face. We're not all 14. Tits aren't that interesting.

 

[Halo Fanboy]

Video Games will not help you do your taxes dawgs. Lets drop the pretentions of assigning this nebulous quality to inconsiquential competition against artificial or real opponets.

You are right when you say that the chainsaw attack is not more mature than the goombastomp, but neither is drifting or the create unit command or the moral choice. If you want to ask why one type of game is considered mature then you probably failed to notice that no one ever brought such a suggestion up in the first place. Gears of War for instance is a mature RATED game, the mature descriptor is about THE TARGET AUDIENCE. Games with no practical value(most games) will never be mature, such a description is invalid.

Be honest with yourselves guys. You are not different the the "mature game loving" teenage posers. You are exactly the same but with different values. One likes TMD and another CAOA.

 

[Azure Sky]

Wall of text Warning >.<

You would be quite surprised at some of the mature games out there, though there is a severe lack of good ones these days...

Well most of the 'mature' ones I've seen are basically pseudo-intellectual dross for teens to verbally jerk off over 'getting' and being deep for doing so. Insert song lyrics:

"You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other
Forever competing for that one moment of self-aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation
Oh, we're not worthy
When you walk by a group of quote-unquote normal people
You chuckle to yourself patting yourself on the back as you scoff
It's the same superiority complex
Shared by the high school jocks who made your life a living hell
And makes you a slave to the competitive capitalist dogma
You spend every moment of your waking life bitching about"

I'll be happy to find actual mature games and believe me I do want a few, but I like immature gaming as well and the few so-called mature ones have been adolescent rather than mature. If I could actually find an eye-opening mature game to try I'd be happy to do so.

It just seems to me that when developers try to write Mature they actually bullseye Teen thriller.

Well, if I need to pry an example out of my annoyingly uncooperative brain, let me start by quoting Teddy again (Sorry ^.^) as they pretty much nail it on the head.

A mature game I'd say is one that isn't childish and takes it's players seriously.
One that is intelligent enough to create a great story, great scenes, great atmosphere and an enjoyable gaming experience without resorting to childish things.

And with that said, a reasonable example would be the Zelda series (Yeah, fanboy alert, but I'm tired so meh)
I know there are many others, but as I said, I'm too tired to think of any outside of my immediate reach.

Also, keep in mind that a game that I consider 'mature' is merely a game that can be a success without needing to be childish or ride various stereotypes etc.

 

[manythings]

Titties sell. Violence will also sell. Titties and violence sell even more. Aiming for the Lowest common denominator works because it is the lowest common denominator. That's humanity.

But that's not maturity, which is what we're talking about.
Tits for the sake of isn't mature.
Neither is blood for the sake of blood.

However:

Frankly I suspect half the fun of gaming is the immaturity though. Gaming is that outlet for when adults want to 'Blow a load of stuff up then turn into a plane and whhoooooooooooosh! And, and then you get into a tank and run him over and...'

This I kind of agree with.
Kind of.

I love my fun, nonsense games. I had a blast with Just Cause 2, and nothing about that game was 'mature'. After all, games are about having fun, and I have fun blowing shit up. But I do love the odd game to be a little 'more' then just 'blowing shit up'. Mass Effect (both 1 and 2) fills that void a bit. I would also say that the last third of Red Dead Redemption hits the mark there as well.

Mature doesn't mean 'no violence' and such, but it does mean give the 'adult only' content some purpose. Make it mean something significant, not just flashing tits in our face. We're not all 14. Tits aren't that interesting.

Once again. I'm not saying that that is mature content I am saying they are selling things they know sell rather than taking on chance on things they don't know will sell.

 

[DrEmo]

I'm not suggesting a complete removal of juvenile games. I loved Just Cause 2 because it was incredibly juvenile. From its over the top violence and horrible dialogue it was laughably bad but incredibly fun.

What I'm getting at is that developers are just pandering to the lowest common denominator, substituting gameplay, narrative, character development and intrigue with boobs, tits, knockers, hoo-has, blood, gore and flying heads.

Wouldn't it be nice to see a game where the developers spent most of their time working on the gameplay mechanics and the story rather than on the ultra-complex particle effect rendering engine used to create the majestic jets of crimson delight spraying from people.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

I don;t really categorize anything short of Rapelay as a mature game, but given the kind of shit I watched when I was only 7, that's no big suprise.

How is Rapelay mature?


Ok, I have an Idea for a game:
Let's have a woman called "Ms. Ko Xualow" (Read it aloud) who has 36 FFF boobs. Her defining character trait will be her giant boobs and the fact that she fights in Kama Sutra positions. I know I'm ripping off Bayonetta here, but here's where it gets good: The game's paper thin plot revolves around Russians getting Nukes and she has to stop them by going to various locations and killing everyone. Then you face the boss of each area and you have 2 choices upon defeating them: Condemn them to Hell or save them (Dante's Inferno rip off!) you kill them by way of a gruesome 6 minute kill scene and save them by smothering them with your giant breasts.
There's also a morality system which lets you make key decisions that don't affect the game's outcome whatsoever. Like in one part where you have to choose between saving a bus full of orphans (good choice) or biting the heads off 1,000 puppies then shouting "HEIL HITLER" (the bad choice)

OK! I just thought of a future best seller! Give me money, please.

It will sell like hotcakes in Japan.

But in Japan, how well do hotcakes sell?

They don't seem colorful enough...

 

[Halo Fanboy]

What I'm getting at is that developers are just pandering to the lowest common denominator, substituting gameplay, narrative, character development and intrigue with boobs, tits, knockers, hoo-has, blood, gore and flying heads.

You didn't mention any of these games.

 

[likalaruku]

I don;t really categorize anything short of Rapelay as a mature game, but given the kind of shit I watched when I was only 7, that's no big suprise.

How is Rapelay mature?


Ok, I have an Idea for a game:
Let's have a woman called "Ms. Ko Xualow" (Read it aloud) who has 36 FFF boobs. Her defining character trait will be her giant boobs and the fact that she fights in Kama Sutra positions. I know I'm ripping off Bayonetta here, but here's where it gets good: The game's paper thin plot revolves around Russians getting Nukes and she has to stop them by going to various locations and killing everyone. Then you face the boss of each area and you have 2 choices upon defeating them: Condemn them to Hell or save them (Dante's Inferno rip off!) you kill them by way of a gruesome 6 minute kill scene and save them by smothering them with your giant breasts.
There's also a morality system which lets you make key decisions that don't affect the game's outcome whatsoever. Like in one part where you have to choose between saving a bus full of orphans (good choice) or biting the heads off 1,000 puppies then shouting "HEIL HITLER" (the bad choice)

OK! I just thought of a future best seller! Give me money, please.

It will sell like hotcakes in Japan.

But in Japan, how well do hotcakes sell?

They don't seem colorful enough...

They sell with whupped cream & strawberries as desserts.

 

[Altorin]

Did you play Bayonetta? Apparently it has a lot more to offer then just boobs and blood.

I like boobs and blood, and I'm not an immature 13 year old.

"Mature" is just a content rating, it's got (and should not have) anything to do with actual gameplay mechanics.. It's just a tool to keep vultures like Jack Thompson back, and give a tool to concerned parents who care enough to learn about it.

It's not mature as in the opposite of immature.. It's just a label that says "This game has some adult issues and themes in it, so you probably don't want your 5 year old playing it"

Lots of "Mature" games are actually rated E and T, because, like you said, "Mature" gamers don't care about tits and blood, they want good gameplay and a fun story. If you only look in the M-rated games for your "Mature" games, then you're missing a huge section of perfectly acceptable adult-viable entertainment, just because of the letter M. So you're no better off then those vultures.

 

[Dexiro]

There seems to be a lot of hate for Bayonetta just because it has boobies ;D

I thought that aspect of the game was great. Not because of any sexual appeal, I just thought how over the top they went with everything was bloody hilarious.

As for the gameplay, I haven't played it myself but i've heard mostly good things.