ME2: Legion vs. Tali

[Skuffyshootster]

How high does your renegade score need to be to convince them to back off?

On my last playthrough it was, I'd say, 95% full, but the option was still blacked out. Is it a glitch or does your Renegade score need to be 100%?

No discussion here, sorry.

 

[Decabo]

It's not a glitch, it just has to be very high. Do all of the other loyalty missions, and get all the discounts you can from the Citadel, Ilium, and Omega for some easy renegade.

If you don't have a save from before that mission, you're pretty much SOL.

 

[Amnestic]

Needs to be high, some people have theorised that it needs to be higher if you're a higher level.

You can side with one of them and then talk to the other immediately afterwards and say something to regain their loyalty, which seems to have a lower requirement than the initial fight.

 

[CloakedOne]

I had mine nearly 100% and I still couldn't have both. I guess only those with Paragon can calm them down and have both? haven't a clue but I know I went full paragon on one file and had no trouble calming them down (I'd always choose Tali, though, if I had to)

 

[Blackhol]

choose tali. after words you can talk to legion and convince him to be loyal with renegade. I basically had the same problem.

 

[Jennacide]

Needs to be high, some people have theorised that it needs to be higher if you're a higher level.

You can side with one of them and then talk to the other immediately afterwards and say something to regain their loyalty, which seems to have a lower requirement than the initial fight.

Not even theorized, a few people have proven that's how it works now. If you're level 30 the loyalty arguements are gonna require 100% bars, just like it'll take to get Morinth.

And if you lose thier loyalty, there is no way to return it right now.

 

[Skuffyshootster]

I had mine nearly 100% and I still couldn't have both. I guess only those with Paragon can calm them down and have both? haven't a clue but I know I went full paragon on one file and had no trouble calming them down (I'd always choose Tali, though, if I had to)

No, there's a greyed out option in the lower left hand corner, which is generally where red renegade dialogue options are.

You can side with one of them and then talk to the other immediately afterwards and say something to regain their loyalty, which seems to have a lower requirement than the initial fight.

It wasn't available to me after I talked to Tali right after the fight.

EDIT:

choose tali. after words you can talk to legion and convince him to be loyal with renegade. I basically had the same problem

Does that still work if you're level 30?

 

[Ganthrinor]

I knew there was a reason I always wound up going Paragon. Akward social situations always seem to dismantle themselves as soon as Para-Shep walks in the door.


And you STILL get to smack the reporter around. Awesome.

 

[Skuffyshootster]

I had mine nearly 100% and I still couldn't have both. I guess only those with Paragon can calm them down and have both? haven't a clue but I know I went full paragon on one file and had no trouble calming them down (I'd always choose Tali, though, if I had to)

No, there's a greyed out option in the lower left hand corner, which is generally where red renegade dialogue options are.

You can side with one of them and then talk to the other immediately afterwards and say something to regain their loyalty, which seems to have a lower requirement than the initial fight.

It wasn't available to me after I talked to Tali right after the fight.

 

[Tommy T.]

Wat? I had a mixed paragon and renegade and I could choose either one of the options to convince them to calm the fuck down :s I was around lvl. 20 when it happened

Same with Miranda and Jack.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Not even theorized, a few people have proven that's how it works now. If you're level 30 the loyalty arguements are gonna require 100% bars, just like it'll take to get Morinth.

And if you lose thier loyalty, there is no way to return it right now.

This is not correct. My level 30 paragon character was able to overpower Morinth without having full paragon. My renegade character was a lower level and had more rengeade points than my paragon character had paragon points, yet she couldn't overpower Morinth.

If it worked that way it should have been the opposite. My renegade had more points and was a lower level.

 

[Jennacide]

Not even theorized, a few people have proven that's how it works now. If you're level 30 the loyalty arguements are gonna require 100% bars, just like it'll take to get Morinth.

And if you lose thier loyalty, there is no way to return it right now.

This is not correct. My level 30 paragon character was able to overpower Morinth without having full paragon. My renegade character was a lower level and had more rengeade points than my paragon character had paragon points, yet she couldn't overpower Morinth.

If it worked that way it should have been the opposite. My renegade had more points and was a lower level.

Well, I should of been more specific. Renegade takes 100% against Morinth on anything over lv20 (which you're almost guaranteed to be), but I have heard Paragon takes a bit less. Which makes sense, cause you have to be fairly virteous or WAY more evil to overpower her.

 

[L3m0n_L1m3]

It doesn't need to be that high, from my experience, it just depends on if you talk to the 2 arguing characters after every mission leading up to the fight scene.

Seeing as my Shepard just paragon speech'd Jack/Miranda out of killing each other, when I was in the second bar of paragon points.

 

[Omikron009]

It needs to be quite high. Quite high indeed. Legion died on my first playthrough because my renegade score wasn't enough to get them to back down.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Not even theorized, a few people have proven that's how it works now. If you're level 30 the loyalty arguements are gonna require 100% bars, just like it'll take to get Morinth.

And if you lose thier loyalty, there is no way to return it right now.

This is not correct. My level 30 paragon character was able to overpower Morinth without having full paragon. My renegade character was a lower level and had more rengeade points than my paragon character had paragon points, yet she couldn't overpower Morinth.

If it worked that way it should have been the opposite. My renegade had more points and was a lower level.

Well, I should of been more specific. Renegade takes 100% against Morinth on anything over lv20 (which you're almost guaranteed to be), but I have heard Paragon takes a bit less. Which makes sense, cause you have to be fairly virteous or WAY more evil to overpower her.

It's not a "bit less". It's way less. My Paragon was barely over the 3rd bar yet he was able to resist Morinth. Mean while my renegade who has has filled about about of the third of the last bar can't hold against her, for some arbitrary reason.

 

[DustyDrB]

I had about 75% in both paragon and renegade my last playthrough but only the paragon option was available in that conversation.

 

[Discrodia]

I never had a problem with Legion and Tali, though Jack and Miranda always ended badly.

I have a theory (AND ITS JUST A THEORY) that whoever you're romancing affects the difficulty, because everytime I made pink hearts with Tali it was always easy as hell to get that paragon option.

Other than that, iunno.

 

[RatRace123]

I got the Paragon option with less Paragon. I say stop being such an A-hole and stop playing Renegade.

This is pretty much my solution, you usually need more renegade points to use intimidate options than charm ones.

I guess people will respond better to logic and kind words rather than a gun to the face (weird)

 

[Jennacide]

It's not a "bit less". It's way less. My Paragon was barely over the 3rd bar yet he was able to resist Morinth. Mean while my renegade who has has filled about about of the third of the last bar can't hold against her, for some arbitrary reason.

Like I said, it makes sense. Being the opposite of her lets you overpower her, and to command her you need to be even more evil. It also seems it's unique in this aspect, most choices are equal in amounts of para/rene to get the options to pop.

 

[lleihsad]

The difficulty of negotiations scales up as you play. Also, it's usually easier to succeed with one style than the other.

It's not too hard to see why... most of the time. I imagine some (misguided) players wouldn't think that a heroic altruist would have an easier time resisting mind control than a brutal hardass.