ME3 ending is it really that bad?

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RyuujinZERO

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I kept seeing people raging and I thought "Huh... can't be THAT bad can it". I played my way through for 40 hours, colelcting war assets and looking for every little detail; it was an amazing experience, far superior to either past ME game I'd played.

The final mission comes and ramps to an awesome crechendo, an emotive scene of anderson and shepard looking over the earth as the final pieces of the plan fall together...



...then BAM. The last 3 minutes of gameplay are so awful they sour the entire experience. Giant plotholes big enough to fly a dyson sphere through, railroad options and no closure whatsoever. There is no way to rationalise it... the game will leave you in shock at the sudden heel-face-faceplant. It's as coherent as the original ending to Evangelion, and as sudden as the final boss fight of FFIX
 

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Imagine going to a restaurant. There are some pieces you might not like, but in general the food is good.

And as a dessert the cook comes out of the kitchen and shits on your plate.
 

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just forget about the ending and think to urself it is an illusion and there is no way bioware could of created it. it was deux ex all over again but at least deus ex's ending was associated with the rest of the story
 

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YanRuo said:
boag said:
Tell me what is wrong with the following sentences.

Mike Doesnt Like Jeff
Jeff is Black
Mike is a Racist

Lili Likes Horses
Horses Have Big Dicks
Lili Likes to Fuck Horses

Joe doesnt Agree with Tim
Bob is Joes Friend
Bob is an Asshat that Hates Tim.
I'd say that you seem as angry as if Sethran wore you're firstborn as a hat.
lets see how this works.

Sethran makes a poorly worded post
Boag points out Generalizations are bad
Boag is angry and hates everything.
 

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Sethran said:
I also thought like you that the ending as horrid as everyone made it out to be,but the more you question it,the more apparent it is that it was half-arsed and rushed out the door.The only moderately tolerable ending is the "renegade"(red) ending with over 5000 Effective military strength for the final battle.
Also the ending pretty much scraps some very vital plot points and explored philosophical questions in the universe.
 

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Neonsilver said:
Imagine going to a restaurant. There are some pieces you might not like, but in general the food is good.

And as a dessert the cook comes out of the kitchen and shits on your plate.
Bingo! - best summary I've heard
 

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T3hSource said:
The only moderately tolerable ending is the "renegade"(red) ending with over 5000 Effective military strength for the final battle.
That's actually arguably the most frustrating ending of all, as the money shot...rubble Shepard taking the wake up breath...is rationally inexplicable. Even with an ending where we're left to draw our own conclusions given available data, I can't find a way to logically explain Shepard waking up in a pile of concrete. And neither has anyone else.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
 

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Fawxy said:
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Right off the bat, no. Inception hinted and lead to a conclusion, but here they threw in new plot devices, characters and overall took the past and burned it.
OK, so if it's not like Inception, is it more comparable to the "St. Elsewhere" TV finale?
If you haven't heard of it, it should be on Youtube. It was a medical show about a bunch of doctors in a crappy run-down hospital, and in the series finale they revealed that everything that had happened in the show was all in the imagination of an autistic kid staring at a snow globe.
Yeah, more like that. It has the same "WHERE THE HELL DID THIS PLOT DEVICE COME FROM" factor.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
Haha, that's amazing. Still with the whole "female aliens stay in the kitchen on the home planet or look like supermodels" thing three games in? Although given the whole EDI thing I'm not exactly surprised...
 

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I would have considered myself the biggest Bioware fan in the world prior to this. Mass Effect especially. I had heard rumors about how bad the ending was, but chalked it up to people overreacting to speculation (as many had done prior to the game release). Unfortunately, the ending is bad. Very bad. Like many others here, it has killed me desire to play this game again, let alone any of the prequel games. I have never had this kind of experience before with a game. I've played plenty of bad games, but never one that made me just shut off my console and go read a book.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
Haha, that's amazing. Still with the whole "female aliens stay in the kitchen on the home planet or look like supermodels" thing three games in? Although given the whole EDI thing I'm not exactly surprised...
Naw. We see female salarians and krogan in ME3, and they're no supermodel... not that that has ever stopped rule 34 or the furries (Thankfully no female vorcha, that'd be just plain scary), it's only turians that are kept in the kitchen this time 'round
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
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I'm not that big into roleplaying and I haven't invested 100+ hours into Shephard just to let him die,besides I want him to live with Tali on Rannoch after retirement :D
Besides letting "chaos" thrive makes sense to me,or whatever there left of it at that time.Personal preferences I guess.
 

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Buretsu said:
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"Synthetics will always try to kill organics" was quite frankly a bullshit premises in itself, and really only applies to the Reapers themselves
And, you know, the GETH. You know, the synthetic race that was created to be expendable, and that genocide was attempted on when they started to show signs of intelligence? The synthetic race who then went on to kill organics, and really only stopped trying because there was a bigger threat to their existence.

Who knows how many similar events happened in previous extinction cycles? It's not really a logical stretch to imagine that the Reapers have seen it time and time again, even if the game doesn't directly hold your hand and tell you they have.
Did you even listen to anything legion said?

In the first war they stopped following the quarians when they were no longer a threat. During ME3 it were again the quarians who attacked, they only defended themselves.

The only geht who attacked first were the heretics, but the heretics are only a fraction of the geth. That would be like saying every human is a terrorist.
 

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Rivenart said:
I read the leaked summaries and it didn't prepare me for how bad they actually are to witness.
Exactly. Even knowing about the leak couldn't prepare me. I've been reading articles, videos, and gaming sites about peoples response to the ending, this article from Gamefront is the best explanation for why people are unhappy.

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/
 

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RyuujinZERO said:
Kahunaburger said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
Haha, that's amazing. Still with the whole "female aliens stay in the kitchen on the home planet or look like supermodels" thing three games in? Although given the whole EDI thing I'm not exactly surprised...
Naw. We see female salarians and krogan in ME3, and they're no supermodel... not that that has ever stopped rule 34 or the furries (Thankfully no female vorcha, that'd be just plain scary), it's only turians that are kept in the kitchen this time 'round
That's a little better. I'm guessing we meet exactly one of each?
 

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Buretsu said:
ShadowsofHope said:
"Synthetics will always try to kill organics" was quite frankly a bullshit premises in itself, and really only applies to the Reapers themselves
And, you know, the GETH. You know, the synthetic race that was created to be expendable, and that genocide was attempted on when they started to show signs of intelligence? The synthetic race who then went on to kill organics, and really only stopped trying because there was a bigger threat to their existence.

Who knows how many similar events happened in previous extinction cycles? It's not really a logical stretch to imagine that the Reapers have seen it time and time again, even if the game doesn't directly hold your hand and tell you they have.
Wrong. Legion even tells you himself in the game, the Geth purposely allowed the remaining Quarian forces to flee into Exile beyond the Mass Relay because they did not desire war with their Creators, and felt no need to exterminate the entire Quarian race after the threat to their existence was halted. Heck, when you play the mission on Rannoch when Shepard enters the Geth network, it is shown through memory packets that many Geth even gave their own lives to protect their Quarian masters (the ones that sympathized with the Geth) from the Quarians that wished to destroy them, further reinforcing the fact that the Geth believe fully in self-determination of all living beings, and will fight to protect such.

The only reason the minority of Geth ("Heretics", as Legion to refers to them) joined Sovereign and the Reapers in the first game was because they were forced into that situation by the Quarians in order to protect themselves from Genocide. Sovereign and the Reapers gave them advanced AI upgrades that allowed them to function much like EDI does in her robot body, being able to process the same amount of information that ten regular Geth networked together could achieve - alone. In turn, the heretic Geth worshiped them as being the pinnacle of existence that they desired to aspire to - albeit, this put them into direct conflict with organics to appease the Reaper's goals.

Furthermore, Legion states that although the Reaper upgrades are promising for the Geth in terms of being an evolutionary step towards being more fully realized AI's, the Reapers also have no empathy or consideration towards the right to self-determination of other species that they intend to harvest solely for their own preservation. Which is something completely against what the majority of Geth existing would ever support, and is also the reason why the Geth majority never went beyond the Perseus Veil. They were content to live independently from the organic races of the galaxy, and felt no need to (in the conquering sense) encroach on organic life.

So no, if you played the game, you most definitely did not pay attention to any of the complex story developing and revealed during the Quarian/Geth portion of ME3.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
RyuujinZERO said:
Kahunaburger said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
Haha, that's amazing. Still with the whole "female aliens stay in the kitchen on the home planet or look like supermodels" thing three games in? Although given the whole EDI thing I'm not exactly surprised...
Naw. We see female salarians and krogan in ME3, and they're no supermodel... not that that has ever stopped rule 34 or the furries (Thankfully no female vorcha, that'd be just plain scary), it's only turians that are kept in the kitchen this time 'round
That's a little better. I'm guessing we meet exactly one of each?
Yeah. You meet the Krogan female "Eve" (she has a name, but I wont spoil it) at Sur'Kesh, whom has a big role in the Krogan/Tuchanka portion of the game, and you get to meet with the Dalatrass, the Salarian Matriarch during Turian/Krogan/Salarian negotiations. Neither are particular attractive, at least by human standards.