ME3 ending is it really that bad?

Sethran

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I apologize my post wasn't worded very well, I have an unfortunate habit of miswording my meaning. I also wasn't intending to say that 'everyone who hates the ending does this', my only intention was to say that it happens.
 

SciMal

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VaNilla said:
It's not bad at all, people are just jumping on the bandwagon.
No, it really is that bad. It truly and unabashedly is.

Here's why you would say what you just said:

The ending doesn't have to be bad. It can be good! It can even be beautiful or deeply meaningful, but there's a caveat: YOU have to make it that way. The player has to construct entire architectures in order to make the ending good. The reason why you can force the ending to be good is because the ending fails to address anything. It's completely disconnected from the internal reality of the series - so much so that it might as well end with "And what do YOU think happened?"


Yes, the ending can be good, but it's good in the same way Post-Modern Art is good. It's not good because it's aesthetically pleasing. It's not good because it's useful. It's not good because it's easy to construct or available to the masses.

Like Post-Modern Art (I should specify "Western" here) - ME3's ending is only good from the philosophical implications that went into its construction. Its rejection of conventions, its application of denial techniques to purposefully result in a basal eruption of emotion.

Yes, ME3's ending can be good when viewed in a certain light. Unfortunately the mental scaffolding holding the light in place is composed primarily of "This is philosophically interesting/mentally stimulating interesting because..." and you insert your own reason at the end.

That's it. No offense to Post-Modern art creators, but there are reasons why most people have a Monet or van Gough over a Post-Modern piece. Games are supposed to be indulgences that can provoke intellectual conversation, but aren't appreciated for forcing players into philosophical debates.
 

Sethran

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fozzy360 said:
Sethran said:
I don't have to look very far to find: Twitter attacks at Ben Kuchera
Yeah, he's not really getting attacked so much as it is that people are calling him out for disparaging those who didn't like the ending (much like how you're doing), and he's proceeded to go about by just blocking everyone who brings it up now.

Sethran said:
It's not a 'stupid' or 'rude' generalization, it's simply the situation.
So, when you said this:

Sethran said:
since the people who hate it hate it as though it murdered their first born and wore the skin as a hat.
that wasn't making a generalization about everyone who disliked the ending?
To the first, he is still getting attacked as a result of people's hate, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to prove here. I'm not saying "Everyone who hates this game is stupid and idiotic." I'm just trying to envoke a sense of how much they hate the game's ending.

To the second, yes that was hyperbolic - and intentionally so for above reason.
 

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Sethran said:
fozzy360 said:
Sethran said:
I don't have to look very far to find: Twitter attacks at Ben Kuchera
Yeah, he's not really getting attacked so much as it is that people are calling him out for disparaging those who didn't like the ending (much like how you're doing), and he's proceeded to go about by just blocking everyone who brings it up now.

Sethran said:
It's not a 'stupid' or 'rude' generalization, it's simply the situation.
So, when you said this:

Sethran said:
since the people who hate it hate it as though it murdered their first born and wore the skin as a hat.
that wasn't making a generalization about everyone who disliked the ending?
To the first, he is still getting attacked as a result of people's hate, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to prove here. I'm not saying "Everyone who hates this game is stupid and idiotic." I'm just trying to envoke a sense of how much they hate the game's ending.

To the second, yes that was hyperbolic - and intentionally so for above reason.
Tell me what is wrong with the following sentences.

Mike Doesnt Like Jeff
Jeff is Black
Mike is a Racist

Lili Likes Horses
Horses Have Big Dicks
Lili Likes to Fuck Horses

Joe doesnt Agree with Tim
Bob is Joes Friend
Bob is an Asshat that Hates Tim.
 

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Magicduck said:
So... I think I'm one of the lucky ones who hasn't finished ME3 yet, I'm taking my time, and just getting my MP character up now. But by the sounds of it the ending sounds like it ruins the entire game, so I'm actually seriously debating turning off the game 10 mins before *it happens* and watching a fan made ending. Opinions? Because so far I'm loving everything, Rannoch was especially awesome.

Edit: No Spoilers please :D
Loved every single second of it up untill the end. I can recommend this fan made (text) ending if you are interested: http://arkis.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Alternate-Endings-SPOILERS-289902125?offset=10#comments
 

lohac

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boag said:
Tell me what is wrong with the following sentences.

Mike Doesnt Like Jeff
Jeff is Black
Mike is a Racist

Lili Likes Horses
Horses Have Big Dicks
Lili Likes to Fuck Horses

Joe doesnt Agree with Tim
Bob is Joes Friend
Bob is an Asshat that Hates Tim.
I'd say that you seem as angry as if Sethran wore you're firstborn as a hat.
 

RyuujinZERO

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I kept seeing people raging and I thought "Huh... can't be THAT bad can it". I played my way through for 40 hours, colelcting war assets and looking for every little detail; it was an amazing experience, far superior to either past ME game I'd played.

The final mission comes and ramps to an awesome crechendo, an emotive scene of anderson and shepard looking over the earth as the final pieces of the plan fall together...



...then BAM. The last 3 minutes of gameplay are so awful they sour the entire experience. Giant plotholes big enough to fly a dyson sphere through, railroad options and no closure whatsoever. There is no way to rationalise it... the game will leave you in shock at the sudden heel-face-faceplant. It's as coherent as the original ending to Evangelion, and as sudden as the final boss fight of FFIX
 

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Imagine going to a restaurant. There are some pieces you might not like, but in general the food is good.

And as a dessert the cook comes out of the kitchen and shits on your plate.
 

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just forget about the ending and think to urself it is an illusion and there is no way bioware could of created it. it was deux ex all over again but at least deus ex's ending was associated with the rest of the story
 

boag

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YanRuo said:
boag said:
Tell me what is wrong with the following sentences.

Mike Doesnt Like Jeff
Jeff is Black
Mike is a Racist

Lili Likes Horses
Horses Have Big Dicks
Lili Likes to Fuck Horses

Joe doesnt Agree with Tim
Bob is Joes Friend
Bob is an Asshat that Hates Tim.
I'd say that you seem as angry as if Sethran wore you're firstborn as a hat.
lets see how this works.

Sethran makes a poorly worded post
Boag points out Generalizations are bad
Boag is angry and hates everything.
 

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Sethran said:
I also thought like you that the ending as horrid as everyone made it out to be,but the more you question it,the more apparent it is that it was half-arsed and rushed out the door.The only moderately tolerable ending is the "renegade"(red) ending with over 5000 Effective military strength for the final battle.
Also the ending pretty much scraps some very vital plot points and explored philosophical questions in the universe.
 

RyuujinZERO

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Neonsilver said:
Imagine going to a restaurant. There are some pieces you might not like, but in general the food is good.

And as a dessert the cook comes out of the kitchen and shits on your plate.
Bingo! - best summary I've heard
 

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T3hSource said:
The only moderately tolerable ending is the "renegade"(red) ending with over 5000 Effective military strength for the final battle.
That's actually arguably the most frustrating ending of all, as the money shot...rubble Shepard taking the wake up breath...is rationally inexplicable. Even with an ending where we're left to draw our own conclusions given available data, I can't find a way to logically explain Shepard waking up in a pile of concrete. And neither has anyone else.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
 

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Fawxy said:
Aprilgold said:
Right off the bat, no. Inception hinted and lead to a conclusion, but here they threw in new plot devices, characters and overall took the past and burned it.
OK, so if it's not like Inception, is it more comparable to the "St. Elsewhere" TV finale?
If you haven't heard of it, it should be on Youtube. It was a medical show about a bunch of doctors in a crappy run-down hospital, and in the series finale they revealed that everything that had happened in the show was all in the imagination of an autistic kid staring at a snow globe.
Yeah, more like that. It has the same "WHERE THE HELL DID THIS PLOT DEVICE COME FROM" factor.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Off-topic: are there finally female Turians in Mass Effect 3?
For the last time, no. I keep telling you, you're going to need to go to Deviant.art for your Turian porn, Kahunaburger!
Haha, that's amazing. Still with the whole "female aliens stay in the kitchen on the home planet or look like supermodels" thing three games in? Although given the whole EDI thing I'm not exactly surprised...
 

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I would have considered myself the biggest Bioware fan in the world prior to this. Mass Effect especially. I had heard rumors about how bad the ending was, but chalked it up to people overreacting to speculation (as many had done prior to the game release). Unfortunately, the ending is bad. Very bad. Like many others here, it has killed me desire to play this game again, let alone any of the prequel games. I have never had this kind of experience before with a game. I've played plenty of bad games, but never one that made me just shut off my console and go read a book.