There are clear differences though. In Inception the ending tied in with the plot and overall theme of the movie as a whole. There were references made early on that became important at the end. For example, it is explained in previous scenes that the spinning top never stops spinning in dreams, and this is used to create the uncertainty in the final frames. All through the film there is a general theme of uncertainty in knowing dreams from reality. This is how stories are supposed to be written.Fawxy said:Is it like the ending to "Inception"? Where you're supposed to create your own opinion about what happened (i.e. whether the main character was still dreaming or not).
Ayup. The best spinning top analogy would be if the spinning top and the concepts surrounding it were introduced in the last minute of the film. And the film in question was Die Hard.WoW Killer said:There are clear differences though. In Inception the ending tied in with the plot and overall theme of the movie as a whole. There were references made early on that became important at the end. For example, it is explained in previous scenes that the spinning top never stops spinning in dreams, and this is used to create the uncertainty in the final frames. All through the film there is a general theme of uncertainty in knowing dreams from reality. This is how stories are supposed to be written.
Inventing new characters, devices or lore in the final moments of a story without prior references, and with a thematic direction counter to the rest of that story, is plain and simple bad writing.
Admitting to piracy's not allowed here.Magicduck said:Bah, well this is sorely depressing, because up until now I've been really anticipating what Bioware will do next in the Mass effect universe, because they really do (or did) have a lot of room for more games in this Universe. And no closure? =( wow, that's all I really wanted in the ending, just some reference to how the other characters turn out as you have been playing with them for some 100+ hours by now.
They better release some 'epilouge' DLC by the sounds of it, and yes sadly I'll even pay for it, but if they do pull that shit you can bet I'll be pirating any of their other games.
I know this will probably not go over the best, but I'll have to disagree on this. But before I get into the spoilers, I will say it requires going into the meta-concepts of the series.BloatedGuppy said:The ending is a failure not because "it's the worst thing EVAR", it's a failure because it's an abrupt and confusing deviation from the spirit of the games its concluding. The games deserved a more coherent culmination. The fans deserved it, as well. If this is truly Bioware's artistic vision for their game, they don't need to violate it to satiate angry or disillusioned fans, but at the very least they have a responsibility to provide a little more clarity.
Guy, I never wanted a happy ending. I specifically did NOT want a happy ending. I wanted a pyrrhic victory. I just wanted it to make sense, and give some catharsis and closure to the series.The Abhorrent said:For those who are outraged by the ending, it would be safe to say (their) Shepard is outraged as well. Having a choice thrust upon them, being denied the (happy) ending they so wanted. But it's what you get.
So.... What if I am feeling that the ending is full of plotholes, there is no reason for me to listen to this "thing" as "I won't let fear compromise who I am" and I will fight to the last, and I have no reason to trust it, and a million reasons to distrust it. What is my Shepard thinking then? Fuck it, I'll do what it says anyway? Also, the whole happy ending thing? I don't care about happy endings. My favourite film ever is American History X. The ending of that is fucking amazing.The Abhorrent said:I know this will probably not go over the best, but I'll have to disagree on this. But before I get into the spoilers, I will say it requires going into the meta-concepts of the series.BloatedGuppy said:The ending is a failure not because "it's the worst thing EVAR", it's a failure because it's an abrupt and confusing deviation from the spirit of the games its concluding. The games deserved a more coherent culmination. The fans deserved it, as well. If this is truly Bioware's artistic vision for their game, they don't need to violate it to satiate angry or disillusioned fans, but at the very least they have a responsibility to provide a little more clarity.
Mass Effect isn't so much about the consequences of your decisions as it is about the player making those decisions. By extension, it's a metaphor for life; your actions and decisions shape who you are. You can always look back and say whether or not it was the right decision to make, but at the time you simply have no idea what the consequences are. Sometimes your options are all unpleasant, but you have to make a decision just the same or else nothing good will come of it all.
At the end of it all, you are give the power of a God.
You are given the final decision which will determine the fate of the galaxy.
You have no idea what the full consequences will be, and you never will.
But you are still given the responsibility to make that final choice.
What is your decision?
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Essentially, Mass Effect is about self-determination.
The nature of the final decision and the lack of closure are to emphasize that we live in the present, not the future. We can always weigh our options based on what we feel will give the best outcome, but the truth is that we never know what will genuinely happen. So have no other option but to take life as it comes, choosing our actions every step of the way. In the end, we not get what we wanted... but we made those decisions just the same.
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When I was faced with that final decision, my thoughts were:
"I hope I'm doing the right thing..."
By extension, these were (my) Shepard's thoughts as well. All that preparation, only to be faced with something else entirely. Nevertheless, my motives were do what I felt what was best for everyone. I won't know if was the best decision, or even if there was a good one.... but what I do know is I tried to do what was right.
For those who are outraged by the ending, it would be safe to say (their) Shepard is outraged as well. Having a choice thrust upon them, being denied the (happy) ending they so wanted. But it's what you get.
In the end, what you (and by extension, Shepard) feel about the ending... is just that.
No more, no less.
It's literally just the last 5 minutes where it goes to hell. To me, the journey mattered more than the (atrocious) ending anyway so I'm still capable of enjoying the game in spite of the absolutely awful ending.TopazFusion said:I've successfully managed to avoid ending spoilers thus far.
But I can say, the way people are raging on about it, I don't think I want to play this gameCode::/