ME3 extended cut. Optimistic?

[Lithan]

Well are you?


I think the devs did all they could at this point. An "Alternate ending" would have required even more resources and would have really been questionable. It always would have been the alternate, not the "Real" or as nerds call it "canon" ending.

The original ending was an abortion. Starchild was absurd. Forcing us to accept that Shepard was so profoundly disturbed from seeing a kid die in a GODDAMN WAR not ten minutes after I told Anderson "PEOPLE DIE IN WARS GET OVER IT", particularly a kid who we had been introduced to a few minutes ago in a stupid cutscene of him playing with a toy Normandy that made ME roll my eyes. ME3 cashed in on disturbing us by watching friends die quite a lot, and they expect me to give half a crap about some random kid I don't know or care about even slightly dying in a glorified car crash? That shit happens hundreds of times a day in reality. And this nonsense about him representing "all the lost friends" only works if he's someone that would do that. If I was having annoying dream sequences about chasing Mordin around a forest in slow motion I still would have felt it was an irritating waste of time but at least it would have made some damn sense. Hell make it be Kayden/RacistFemale, like it apparently was originally given your option to respond to Liara upon waking that you were thinking of them. Starchild was evidentally a late change shoehorned into the game to allow this quick fix ending and it was so obvious it was insulting.

Then the whole, Starchild: "Oh I'm everything you've been fighting against and sacrificing your friends and your own life to defeat for the past several years. I'm what you consider the ultimate evil which must be defeated. But you're wrong, I'm the good guy." Shepard: "Oh cool, so what should I do then boss?" Is just so damn ridiculous I can't believe that after writing it, the author didn't look at it and go, "Jesus, what the hell was I thinking".

Then there was the one ending. And yes there was ONE ENDING. A 95-99% SHOT FOR SHOT copy is not a different ending. If you believe that, I wrote a new book you need to buy. It's a word for word copy of War and Peace, except the last twenty pages are a recipe for a banging chicken soup. I wrote it in its entirety.

The final issue was the nonsense about magical Normandy crew warping onto ship just in time for the totally survivable crash at faster than light speeds on a mystery island that just got pulled out of jokers ass... more miraculous because, like usual, he was sitting down. This goes hand in hand with the whole, "Were too lazy to actually script, code, animate, etc a resolution to your hundreds of hours of game time so here's a turd. The ultimate irony is that people act like the anger about the ending is because people want a happy one... bioware gave us a happy one. Your crew magically evading certain death and landing on what the devs surely envisioned as a Eutopian island world is as ridiculously Cliche "happy" ending as they could stuff down your throat once they delivered on the promise they made themselves to force Shepard to make the ultimate sacrifice for all the mega drama points it would score them. It was just lazy, made no sense, and failed in satisfying the demand for some kind of closure that the END of a gaming series built on characters and story demanded.

The final issue looks to be the only one the DLC will address. At least they're doing that, but goddamn if only they could go back six months, realize how badly they were about to screw up and just push the release date back till summer 2012 and release a game with a quality ending.

That's my take on it.

 

[Rawne1980]

Just because words are no longer enough.....

Aside from covering ground already covered by millions....

No, no i'm not optimistic. Unless it shows Garrus doing a point and wink at the end I shall not be impressed.

 

[endtherapture]

I personally think like half the game was terrible - the Earth section was absurd. Mars was good, so was the Tuchanka section. Needed Wrex or Grunt as a Squadmate. Then after Udina's betrayal it all went to hell and stuff started making no sense. Also there was a lack of good side missions. You war assets and EMS meant nothing, Rachni railroading sucked. The Earth mission was awful.

All those need to be fixed. But they won't be. We're not even getting new gameplay, it's so disappointing.

 

[Savagezion]

Just because words are no longer enough.....

Aside from covering ground already covered by millions....

No, no i'm not optimistic. Unless it shows Garrus doing a point and wink at the end I shall not be impressed.

That horse is talking, he isn't dead yet. KILL IT! How the hell is he still alive?

 

[luckshot]

there is no way they can fix the damage and leave in starchild and space magic

 

[Esotera]

The speed with which they're putting this out leads me to believe that it'll be as rushed as the original game. And even if it reached out of the console/PC, gave you $1000 and chocolate profiteroles, a significant proportion of Bioware fans would still be outraged.

Then again, I'd be surprised if they could make it any worse.

 

[MetalDooley]

Optimistic?

No.As the old saying goes "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear" and ME3's ending was most definitely a sows ear.Or to put it in more modern parlance "you can polish a turd but at the end of the day it's still a turd"

 

[Bleidd Whitefalcon]

Not particularly. I WANT to be but they're keeping God Kid, his bullshit Space Magic, and his "logic."

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I am cautiously optimistic yes, because I think most of the problems with the ending can be traced to it being rushed and heavily cut down; and while I'm not expecting an extended cut to fix everything, any kind of improvement is still an improvement. It's also very positive to see Bioware making an effort to fix the damage where they didn't have to. (No, don't look at me like that. They didn't have to. You thought the ending sucked and I agree with you 100%, but it doesn't change the fact that once you'd bought the game they didn't have to do anything for you, especially not for free, so appreciate the effort if nothing else).

It won't be perfect and it sure as hell won't please everyone, but yeah, I remain hopeful. If just one fan can create a very satisfying Epilogue to the existing ending in a little over a month, then I'm confident of what Bioware can do between now and August. Besides, whatever they come out with, it's not like they could make it any worse is it? So the only way is up.

(As an aside, I think it would also do us some good to look at who else could be blamed for the current situation. Yes, Bioware wrote a crappy ending. However, they were rushed by EA. Even then, that wouldn't have been necessary had the original, much better sounding ending not been leaked, forcing them to change it at the last minute.)

 

[psicat]

The original ending was brilliant. Sure it left some lose threads hanging, but still brilliant. I'm glad they're not changing them.

 

[Sparrow]

Not particularly. I WANT to be but they're keeping God Kid, his bullshit Space Magic, and his "logic."

Yeah, this is my stance on the whole situation. I'm not sure how they can keep all this shit in and still make it a good ending.

The original ending was brilliant. Sure it left some lose threads hanging, but still brilliant. I'm glad they're not changing them.

You are a braver man than I for voicing such an opinion.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

The original ending was brilliant. Sure it left some lose threads hanging, but still brilliant. I'm glad they're not changing them.

I'm watching you.



OT: It's not like they could make anything worse than it already is.


Right?

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

Optimistic? hahaha!
No. No not at all.

 

[Scabadus]

I'm not precisely optimistic, but this is still a good thing. The origional ending was bad, really bad, but what caused it to go from bad to terrible was the sudden, near cut-to-black, abruptness it concluded with. An epilogue won't stop this from being one of the worst and laziest peices of writing I've seen in years, and I'll still be totally confused as to why Bioware (apparently, anyway) changed the ending after the script was leaked (some people spoilt it for themselves before release? Well obviously the thing to do is to rush out another story so they get something unexpected as they play!) but at least some epilogues will give some closure.

At least in future playthroughs I can enjoy most of a fantastic trilogy, then see how my choices pan ou tat the end of it all. And as for Starchild.... well, I can always go make a sandwhich and pretend something better happened once I get back.

 

[dimensional]

no not optimistic at all but im not really the target audience for it seeing as I couldnt muster up the effort to buy ME3 anyway (2 burnt me out) so I have no first hand experience of how bad the ending was in ME3, but really I have no confidence in anything EA is affiliated with they constantly disappoint me.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

I just love that so many people think they're publishers or writers with accomplishments beyond an A in English or 3.2 on their last computer science course....

Sarcasm aside, fans get it through your head that ME3 ended the way it did, Bioware did what they did and any changes after said fact are meaningless to you and will not change your perception of the game or Bioware.
Face it, you hate the game because it has EA stamped on it, you deny the fact that the previous two games had basically the SAME ending no matter what you did in gameplay beyond a minor plot choice (ME1: Council saved/killed, ME2: Collectors base destroyed/handed over to Cerberus).
But nothing in those two games ever changes the ending enough to really affect it and the SAME thing happened in ME3.
What you're missing is the narrative in between is what changes not the ending.
I'm sorry you felt betrayed, or didn't like it or thought you didn't get your moneys worth but in the end its not your game. You payed to play it, like you pay to watch a movie. And you don't get your money back if you sit through the movie and it sucks or play through the game and don't like how it ends. And you certainly have no right to tell the writers/publishers/developers to change that.
Do something constructive, go out and make a better game since a number of you seem to think you can.
I just personally think that there's a combination of EA hate (which has somehow overtaken Activision's place as most hated publisher) and a predisposition to hate the game no matter what.
Examples:

1. Multiplayer: when announced the vocal fandom raged.
2. Kinect Funcitonality: when announced the fandom raged, again.
3. Gameplay choice (Narrative/RPG/Action-shooter): Rage, fans, again.
4. Prothean DLC: When announced after gold the fandom raged, yet again.

See where I'm going? Nothing's good enough, and no matter what happened, despite the game being solid all the way through up to the ending (and yes I liked the WHOLE game), you were still going to hate it. And now even with a supposed Wrap-Up DLC on the way you will probably hate that too.

Fine with me, its your energy you're wasting and the company probably won't really care all that much and continue to make games their way. If they were to bend the other way and only listen to what vocal majorities say (and not all Vocal Majorities are true representative of actual majority) then games will become directed by fans and more than likely suck a lot more.

Have you ever read fanfiction?

If you're good enough to write, or make video games yourself, then by all means go out and make a game better than the one you wish was made. Accomplish something yourself instead of bitching at someone else to "get it right" when each of you most likely has a different point of view of what "get it right" means.

 

[Erttheking]

After seeing that fan made epilogue I'm little optimistic as I see that it is possible for the ending to be salvaged in a way...though I'm more worried about Bioware, considering that someone, either Casey Hudson or one of the writers looked at the Star child and said "yeah, this is a good idea." Considering that THEY are the ones making it, I'm still pretty nervous.

 

[Acton Hank]

I just love that so many people think they're publishers or writers with accomplishments beyond an A in English or 3.2 on their last computer science course....

Sarcasm aside, fans get it through your head that ME3 ended the way it did, Bioware did what they did and any changes after said fact are meaningless to you and will not change your perception of the game or Bioware.
Face it, you hate the game because it has EA stamped on it, you deny the fact that the previous two games had basically the SAME ending no matter what you did in gameplay beyond a minor plot choice (ME1: Council saved/killed, ME2: Collectors base destroyed/handed over to Cerberus).
But nothing in those two games ever changes the ending enough to really affect it and the SAME thing happened in ME3.
What you're missing is the narrative in between is what changes not the ending.
I'm sorry you felt betrayed, or didn't like it or thought you didn't get your moneys worth but in the end its not your game. You payed to play it, like you pay to watch a movie. And you don't get your money back if you sit through the movie and it sucks or play through the game and don't like how it ends. And you certainly have no right to tell the writers/publishers/developers to change that.
Do something constructive, go out and make a better game since a number of you seem to think you can.
I just personally think that there's a combination of EA hate (which has somehow overtaken Activision's place as most hated publisher) and a predisposition to hate the game no matter what.
Examples:

1. Multiplayer: when announced the vocal fandom raged.
2. Kinect Funcitonality: when announced the fandom raged, again.
3. Gameplay choice (Narrative/RPG/Action-shooter): Rage, fans, again.
4. Prothean DLC: When announced after gold the fandom raged, yet again.

See where I'm going? Nothing's good enough, and no matter what happened, despite the game being solid all the way through up to the ending (and yes I liked the WHOLE game), you were still going to hate it. And now even with a supposed Wrap-Up DLC on the way you will probably hate that too.

Fine with me, its your energy you're wasting and the company probably won't really care all that much and continue to make games their way. If they were to bend the other way and only listen to what vocal majorities say (and not all Vocal Majorities are true representative of actual majority) then games will become directed by fans and more than likely suck a lot more.

Have you ever read fanfiction?

If you're good enough to write, or make video games yourself, then by all means go out and make a game better than the one you wish was made. Accomplish something yourself instead of bitching at someone else to "get it right" when each of you most likely has a different point of view of what "get it right" means.

Sorry friend, your kind of talk isn't welcome on these threads.

 

[chiefohara]

I won't say im overly optimistic, but im open minded enough to wait and see.

As for starchild.... god knows, they might flesh out the history of the little git a bit more. I am however very curious as to how the explain how my squadmates who got incinerated in the final charge with me ended up on the Normandy flying away on a technicolour dream with joker