ME3 "Operation Goliath"

[ToastiestZombie]

Hmm, first actual post in ages.
First of all I'm gonna talk about the actual topic of this thread.
Personally I loved the multiplayer and an event where people played together on it would be a fun thing for the people participating. I don't think they announced it just to get people to stop whining about the ending, they probably planned it ages ago and now that the game has come out and people have gotten to grips with multiplayer their doing an event.
Secondly, Zeel will never stop posting hate and making it seem like it's truth so just stop replying.

 

[sabercrusader]

I think the multiplayer's great, with friends. I can't stand to play it with other people, but it's not like any other multiplayer game can make me stand to do it either. The multiplayer's fun, and I sure do hope they add some new things in, hell, maybe even a whole new mode, like a co-op misson mode, like another poster above me said. I'd like all this done, after they decide if they're going to change the endings or not.

 

[Marietta Perconti]

I am boycotting this because it is a PR stunt to deflect away from the real issues a portion of the fan base has with the game. Some people enjoy MP but for me it was hording.... not my cup of tea.

 

[RatRace123]

A PR stunt most likely, or not. Either way, meh, I thought the multiplayer was fun in small doses and with a friend. To me, it gets repetitive really quickly.

 

[Syzygy23]

*snip*

Ok, seriously? What's your hard-on for being so anti-BioWare? Hell, I'm not BioWare's biggest fan but even you're starting to piss me off. Any mention of BioWare, EA, Mass Effect or Dragon Age and you're on it like a hawk to spout your useless and inane hatred.

You don't like BioWare, we fucking get it.

Anyway, they said they'll "talk" about the ending in the future so... this seems like more of an olive branch than a "PLEASE FORGET OUR ENDING SUCKS" tactic. That is, y'know, if they actually do speak about it.

Let me get this straight. This entire thread is about fanboys gushing about how "AMAZING" and "PERFECT" it is(except the ending) but my ONE comment about how abysmal the game is, sets you off? Yes, that makes you a fanboy. Any normal human being would shrug their shoulders and go about their merry business. if ANY criticism of the game makes you upset. DING DONG! YOU'RE A FANBOY!

It's also not 'useless' or 'inane'. Did it ever occur to you that Mass Effect 3 isn't perfect? That the game is not this golden chariot cascading down a rainbow? Does that idea seem foreign to you? jesus christ. fanboys these days.


I actually haven't attacked Dragon Age. I liked DA:O and DA2.

It would help if you would elaborate on exactly what it is about the mechanics and writing of ME3 that cheeses you off so.

Alright. I can be a little more direct about this.


1. The writing itself isn't up to its usual quality.

Thats not to say its completely crap, its just a little gimmicky at times. The constant usage of old me2 jokes. It played like a bunch of fanboys wrote it. can you honestly think of any 'awesome' plot twists? any decisions that griped you like Virime? or scenes that left you in awe like Vigil? The quality wasn't what I'm use to when dealing with a Bioware game.


2. The rpg elements got shanked
lots and lots of auto dialogue. Then little choices in conversations. little squadmate interaction. It felt less RPG-ish than any of the previous games.

Yeah, I totally agree with you on #2 there. Although most of the RPG elements of Mass Effect were gutted after the first one. Coincidentally around the same time Bioware was aquired by EA...

 

[Tuesday Night Fever]

1. The writing itself isn't up to its usual quality.

Thats not to say its completely crap, its just a little gimmicky at times. The constant usage of old me2 jokes. It played like a bunch of fanboys wrote it. can you honestly think of any 'awesome' plot twists? any decisions that griped you like Virime? or scenes that left you in awe like Vigil? The quality wasn't what I'm use to when dealing with a Bioware game.


2. The rpg elements got shanked
lots and lots of auto dialogue. Then little choices in conversations. little squadmate interaction. It felt less RPG-ish than any of the previous games.

I've read quite a few of your posts across multiple topics on this subject... and while I don't wholly agree with you, I can't say I really disagree either. Straight up, I did enjoy ME3 - I liked all three of the games - but I don't think ME3 was the second coming of Christ descending from a rainbow on a golden chariot or whatever either. It had its problems, many of which you pointed out.

I'm just not sure that the problems were actually bad enough for me to outright dismiss the game as a 'polished up shit.' I found the game to be fun, and it kept me interested, so even though I'm not fond of the endings I don't feel like my money was wasted or anything like that.

The reason I picked this post of yours in particular to quote was because of the points. The first one being kinda subjective while the second is a matter of mechanics. I can agree with you wholeheartedly on the second point... the auto-dialogue bothered me from start to finish. But even though it bugged me, I don't think I can honestly say that I found the actual quality of what was said happened to be any higher or lower than the writing of the previous two games.

Personally speaking, I'm actually a little curious why you chose Virmire and Vigil as the two parts of the first game to support your claim. I actually found both of them to be examples of poor writing in the first game (granted, that doesn't mean I think they were badly written, just not up to par with the rest of the game). Virmire really wasn't as gripping to me as it seems to have been for you. I found Kaidan to be pretty boring and Ashley to be pretty unlikable, so I never really felt too distraught about losing either of them. And honestly, I think it would have been far more powerful of a moment in the game if they didn't give you a "SAVE KAIDAN / SAVE ASHLEY" moment right at the very end. Vigil on the other hand... Vigil could have been something really special if it hadn't been used as a flow-interrupting massive information dump. I feel like it could have been handled better.

Anyway... I've wall-of-texted you enough. While I know it seems like a lot of people in this topic/forum would like you to stop posting dissenting opinions, I can't say I actually mind it much. I always liked having two sides to look at on issues. Gives perspective.

 

[tzimize]

Interest = 0.

 

[AD-Stu]

So on the topic... who's actually managed to complete a Reaper mission on Silver?

I've never managed to get past Wave 10. Gorram Banshees Guess I'm contributing to the Brute kill-count at least.

 

[Tony2077]

*snip*

Oh, holy fuck you're just a troll aren't you? Because I just told you I'm not on good terms with BioWare, I made it quite obvious in my post that there are issues I have with ME3. I pretty much put it straight out there and you just went "HURR DURR YOU MUST BE A FANBOY". Find something better to do with your life you pathetic, little man.

Oh man.

I love it when fanboys are in denial. It gives the argument a certain flavour. Tell me good pal. Seeing as you kind of skipped over the MAIN POINT OF MY POST. What was your issue with my post?

See, I notice something with fanboys. They always find an issue with my posts regardless of the content. I laid out my criticism of the game and look what you did! You came in, chest puffed ready to be offended. Simply because I don't like your blasted game. It's okay to disagree with me, but when your post has nothing of substance. Then well? YOU'RE A FANBOY!

Come at me with an actual argument and then you'll transcend the fanboy category. Until then, you will remain in that category. Deal with it.

there fanboys and your a troll.

now to be on topic my copy is out of commission right now so no goliath for me

 

[Luke3184]

I see they are really push the whole Mutliplayer thing. I doubt this will be successfull. The multiplayer is only 'surprisingly fun' because it just barely reached the standards of 'average multiplayer'. Ergo its mediocre but because it doesn't completely suck, people play it.

Now, if Bioware wants to compete in the multiplayer market they are going to get their asses handed to them

Except it's actually a pretty damn good horde mode.

It's mediocre at best.

That's an opinion, you seem to be confusing it as fact, however I've seen you post around an your Mass Effect 3 hate seems to know no bounds so.... Oh you.

OT: I actually really enjoyed the multi player and did a silver run earlier today.... Now to get some decent guns.

 

[Tony2077]

When did I state it as an "absolute". What does that even mean?

Seriously?

I do think anyone who believes otherwise IS wrong.

Right there. That's the issue.

"I'm right. Everyone who believes otherwise is an idiot." You know, for how much you like to harp on "fanboys" you sure do act like one. Or worse.

Even though I slam fanboys for their ridiculously structured arguments. I can respect their conviction. I can not respect someone who is flailing about on the issues, who has no concrete opinion to share. These people are walking human diseases and they need to be put down.

That is what you're asking me to be, some wishy-washy poster who can't even argue their own point without back-peddling.

No thank you. Believing in my own opinions works well for me.

i don't think that's what people want they want you to be less of a troll and try to see the other side of the line

 

[tobi the good boy]

*snip*

Oh, holy fuck you're just a troll aren't you? Because I just told you I'm not on good terms with BioWare, I made it quite obvious in my post that there are issues I have with ME3. I pretty much put it straight out there and you just went "HURR DURR YOU MUST BE A FANBOY". Find something better to do with your life you pathetic, little man.

Oh man.

I love it when fanboys are in denial. It gives the argument a certain flavour. Tell me good pal. Seeing as you kind of skipped over the MAIN POINT OF MY POST. What was your issue with my post?

See, I notice something with fanboys. They always find an issue with my posts regardless of the content. I laid out my criticism of the game and look what you did! You came in, chest puffed ready to be offended. Simply because I don't like your blasted game. It's okay to disagree with me, but when your post has nothing of substance. Then well? YOU'RE A FANBOY!

Come at me with an actual argument and then you'll transcend the fanboy category. Until then, you will remain in that category. Deal with it.

What is your transitional line between 'Fan' and 'Fanboy'?

 

[Sparrow]

*snip*

As the guy said before me, you're just a troll.

Go back to your lonely little life and leave me in peace.

 

[Gustof26]

Secondly, Zeel will never stop posting hate and making it seem like it's truth so just stop replying.

I will always believe people can be rationally talked and dealt with, except for troll. Troll have a specif place in internet Hell.

Fans are simply people who enjoy the series.

Fanboys cannot accept that others don't.

There are also anti-fanboys, or haters, or whatever term you with to attribute to them. They seem to take pride and joy from their hatred. There the Sith of the internet, except no cool red light-sabers.

 

[tobi the good boy]

*snip*

As the guy said before me, you're just a troll.

Go back to your lonely little life and leave me in peace.

*snip*

Oh, holy fuck you're just a troll aren't you? Because I just told you I'm not on good terms with BioWare, I made it quite obvious in my post that there are issues I have with ME3. I pretty much put it straight out there and you just went "HURR DURR YOU MUST BE A FANBOY". Find something better to do with your life you pathetic, little man.

Oh man.

I love it when fanboys are in denial. It gives the argument a certain flavour. Tell me good pal. Seeing as you kind of skipped over the MAIN POINT OF MY POST. What was your issue with my post?

See, I notice something with fanboys. They always find an issue with my posts regardless of the content. I laid out my criticism of the game and look what you did! You came in, chest puffed ready to be offended. Simply because I don't like your blasted game. It's okay to disagree with me, but when your post has nothing of substance. Then well? YOU'RE A FANBOY!

Come at me with an actual argument and then you'll transcend the fanboy category. Until then, you will remain in that category. Deal with it.

What is your transitional line between 'Fan' and 'Fanboy'?

Fans are simply people who enjoy the series.

Fanboys cannot accept that others don't.

Fair definitions: However, I believe that the people you seem to actively cite as 'Fanboys' aren't so much, dismissive of Mass Effects failings, as they are agitated by your less than civil approach to the matter.

I have yet to finish ME3, have not had the time, so I won't argue if it's good or not (That would be stupid).

 

[Tuesday Night Fever]

I suppose we played the games for different reasons. I cared more about the story, lore and the character than.. say the action. Hell, what makes it worse is just watching all the potential being fucked away. Theres so much potential for character growth in me3. It is kind of sad to see it reduced to 3 sentences of auto-dialogue.. but I digress. I suppose my expectations are what did the game under. I expected a Bioware game and clearly I got an EA game. Things I loved about the series were either absent (morality system) or completely shanked (Dialogue/choices influence)

All this being said, I'd still recommend the game. not to rpg fans but anyone else should really enjoy it.


Vigil could've been handled slightly better, but it was still a pretty epic-ass moment in the series. I can't say Me3 has anything close.

I agree that the virime decision is only gripping if you liked the characters. I loved them both, so to me, the decision was pretty tough. Hell, just the fact that a party member could actually die was something 'fresh'. Not original of course but a nice change of pace.

I dunno if we really played the games for different reasons. Keep in mind, like I said, I like all three games. I wouldn't have played ME2 and ME3 if I hadn't loved the first game. I just don't think the change of gameplay style effected me quite as badly as you (which is odd, because I generally hate cover-based shooters like Gears of War).

I liked Vigil a lot, don't get me wrong. I just wish the VI had been put in somewhere different, or in a different manner, that didn't feel like such an interruption to the gameplay and story. At the time that you meet Vigil the game is trying to make you feel like time is of the essence... that the clock is ticking and you've got a deadline to meet... then all of a sudden you just stop and have a twenty minute conversation while your companions fidget beside you hoping for you to hurry up? I really liked the conversation... just not the implementation of it.

I actually wondered after making my post if you were even referring to the Kaidan/Ashley decision or not when you mentioned Virmire. It had completely slipped my mind that the Wrex decision was another pretty tense moment on that planet. And that's actually a moment that was pretty tough for me, because I really liked him a helluva lot. The only moments I can really think of in ME3 that I'd compare to it are Mordin Solus and the part with Legion and Tali. I'm actually kinda curious as to what you thought of those parts, since I thought they were actually pretty well-constructed.

 

[tobi the good boy]

*snip*

As the guy said before me, you're just a troll.

Go back to your lonely little life and leave me in peace.

*snip*

Oh, holy fuck you're just a troll aren't you? Because I just told you I'm not on good terms with BioWare, I made it quite obvious in my post that there are issues I have with ME3. I pretty much put it straight out there and you just went "HURR DURR YOU MUST BE A FANBOY". Find something better to do with your life you pathetic, little man.

Oh man.

I love it when fanboys are in denial. It gives the argument a certain flavour. Tell me good pal. Seeing as you kind of skipped over the MAIN POINT OF MY POST. What was your issue with my post?

See, I notice something with fanboys. They always find an issue with my posts regardless of the content. I laid out my criticism of the game and look what you did! You came in, chest puffed ready to be offended. Simply because I don't like your blasted game. It's okay to disagree with me, but when your post has nothing of substance. Then well? YOU'RE A FANBOY!

Come at me with an actual argument and then you'll transcend the fanboy category. Until then, you will remain in that category. Deal with it.

What is your transitional line between 'Fan' and 'Fanboy'?

Fans are simply people who enjoy the series.

Fanboys cannot accept that others don't.

Fair definitions: However, I believe that the people you seem to actively cite as 'Fanboys' aren't so much, dismissive of Mass Effects failings, as they are agitated by your less than civil approach to the matter.

I have yet to finish ME3, have not had the time, so I won't argue if it's good or not (That would be stupid).

That might be the case. but from my perspective I can't really tell the difference. So like it or not, if their only reply is "OMG U SO HOSTILE" I'm going to dismiss them as a fanboy.

Then are you not simply being as close minded as the fanboys? Hostility is not the most effective way of retorting an argument and besides, If you act angrily towards the fanboys you're just going to incite more hatred, something this forum is actively against. By all means state your opinion, just be sensitive to others as well.

 

[Laser Priest]

The only failing of the single-player was the ending.

Everything else succeeded in living up to the massive hype that I had built up and was truly excellent.

Plus, they still have other things to do with their game aside from just addressing that complaint.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

These people are walking human diseases and they need to be put down.

It might be a good time to just slow down and take it easy man, I get were your frustrations lie but the more flustered you get the more you devolve into insults and name calling. I mean your starting to act just as obnoxious and irrational as the fanboys you keep raging about.

OT: Honestly I don't think Bioware fully understands what they have done, given the largely bewildered confused response from the devs. So it's no surprise they make some weekend event like this trying to calm the rage, though honestly there really isn't anything they can do to get people to calm down. Even ending DLC would just make most even more angry, though after seeing how some of Bioware's PR people were basically insulting people on twitter I really don't feel sorry.

 

[Darkmantle]

Secondly, Zeel will never stop posting hate and making it seem like it's truth so just stop replying.

I will always believe people can be rationally talked and dealt with, except for troll. Troll have a specif place in internet Hell.

Fans are simply people who enjoy the series.

Fanboys cannot accept that others don't.

There are also anti-fanboys, or haters, or whatever term you with to attribute to them. They seem to take pride and joy from their hatred. There the Sith of the internet, except no cool red light-sabers.

Sure. And do they ride Magical Unicorns into battle aswell?

Sorry, I dont believe in "anti-fanboys" or "haters". it is simply a buzzword created to derail the argument. Like when religious fanatics equate belief in science to their irrational faith. It's a displacement tactic. paint your enemy with the same brush type of thing.

An "anti-fanboy" is basically someone that requires good arguments to support their series. A label for that is unnecessary.

Hatedoms exist zeel. Just look at how MLP is received.

here's the difference by example.

I don't like MLP, not even a little bit. A friend convinced me to watch it, I did, I didn't like it, end of story for me. I am a rational person.

A "hater" or member of a hatedom, does as follows. Starts threads about how MLP is the worst thing ever. says that anyone who likes the show is dumb. says the creators ought to be lynched for their work, viciously attacks anyone who expresses any defence for MLP.

You see the problem here is that "fanboy" and "hater" get thrown around way too much in lieu of an actual argument, so the terms are a bit oversaturated and are receiving a lot of negative feedback.

Now "anti-fanboy" isn't a real term, it's probably just people trying to find a better word than "hater" for someone who is a member of a hatedom.

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