Meaning of Life

BrokenWind

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Uncompetetive:

"destiny" I think is too ambiguous a term to completely rule out, much like God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whether or not your future is determinable, by human means or otherwise, the future can only follow one path. Schroedinger's cat might be alive and dead now, but sooner or later you look in the box. My point being that while the future may be unknowable, there is only one; and I think it could always be argued that *that* is destiny. This is also why I dislike ambiguous terms.

Kikosemmek:

I can't help but see some speculation in there. What makes you think we all revolve around a central truth? Why not a system of truths? Or a rulebook? Or are we held together with a fantastic lie?

*Is* the universe infinite, or simply too large in scope for us to see with modern technology, but finite in size? I'll admit, the idea of an infinite universe has always been more appealing to me, if only because something as important as existence seems like it must be. That's the problem there though: It just *seems* that way. There's nothing there to back it up.

I don't mean this as an attack on you, because I can't help but think along very similar lines myself. The problem is we're trying to understand a question we know nothing about, and maybe we can know? Maybe we can't? We don't even know if it's knowable - because we don't yet know everything that we will know. These are all lovely things to ponder, but I can't help thinking that any answer we come to (mine most certainly included) are just inherently wrong.
 

Kikosemmek

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BrokenWind said:
Uncompetetive:
Kikosemmek:

I can't help but see some speculation in there. What makes you think we all revolve around a central truth? Why not a system of truths? Or a rulebook? Or are we held together with a fantastic lie?

*Is* the universe infinite, or simply too large in scope for us to see with modern technology, but finite in size? I'll admit, the idea of an infinite universe has always been more appealing to me, if only because something as important as existence seems like it must be. That's the problem there though: It just *seems* that way. There's nothing there to back it up.

I don't mean this as an attack on you, because I can't help but think along very similar lines myself. The problem is we're trying to understand a question we know nothing about, and maybe we can know? Maybe we can't? We don't even know if it's knowable - because we don't yet know everything that we will know. These are all lovely things to ponder, but I can't help thinking that any answer we come to (mine most certainly included) are just inherently wrong.
I never claimed I knew, sir. I even stated that no one can know. I do believe, however.

My lines of logic are as follows: if the universe is finite, then it must have been created at some point, and is contained by something currently. Therefore, it is not the universe, because I attribute the universe to include _all_ matter and energy which exist, and so if what we can observe and calculate leads us to believe that we are all that there is, then I believe that all we need are stronger instruments.

If the universe has been 'created' at some point, then the creator has been there before the universe, which means the universe wasn't born then, because there wasn't nothing if there was a creator. It also means that there is a beginning to time. Allow me to express how ridiculous it sounds to me whenever I hear the phrase "before time began."

Time is nothing but our perception of progress. It is measured by our arbitrary, human standards and used to help us measure things as a dimension of relative succession, set into an arbitrary absolute scale. Whatever we choose to define our seconds by is our arbitrary absolute scale.

My purview of the universe/multiverse is that it is infinite, which means it has been and will be infinite, and that it never simply began or will ever end. Time never started- our perception of time did. We exist because we must, not because we were chosen to.

Instead of asking myself what is it that put me here, I ask everything else where I should put it. Take what is readily available, and start making conclusions based on that. Science is nothing but this. We observe first, and theorize and hypothesize accordingly. The fallacy which many make is to point at something external first, and then make a claim of causation to us (any creation theory). I point to myself first, understanding that all I see is dependent on my existence, and attempt to understand what's around me in relevance to myself. Thus, I believe the meaning of life is to understand oneself.
 

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PurpleRain said:
Somethingironic said:
PurpleRain said:
We are just a mistake created by Cthulhu. When the stars allign he will awaken from his dreaming in R'yleh and destroy us all.
Cthulhu you say? But what will I do if I'm allergic to fish?!??!?! Can I be created by something I'm allergic to? What if Cthulhu prefers the people who are allergic to him? What about people who are allergic to peanuts? Will a giant snoopy descend from the heavens and kill them for cthulhu? What if a sushi chef eats cthulhu? Would that be art of cthulhu mistake? Which stars are going to align??!?!? What direction are they going to align in? Will it be a straight line? A circle? What if we destroy one of the stars?!?!? What if cthulu took too many sleeping pills and never wakes up? Will he not come back? What if cthulu is an insomniac, and never went to sleep??!?!

You know man, this shit keeps me up at night.
Cthulhu will eat your soul regardless of race, gender or allergies.
I'm sure it would be in Cthulhu's sick games to create someone allergic to him.
Cthulhu is Godzilla sized. It will take at least a hundred Japanese Sushi chefs to take him down.
The star will allign in a big smily face above your house.
Cthulhu might OD if he ate too many sleeping pills. Which is a good thing. I don't particularly want to be driven into insanity and die masturbating to dead birds while having my soul sucked out.
And if he was an insomniac, he might get a split personality and make a fight club with the other outter gods.
What book is he from?I forgot...
 

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Kikosemmek said:
I never claimed I knew, sir. I even stated that no one can know...Thus, I believe the meaning of life is to understand oneself.
Here is my repost from the Thread for Random Statements. Rather than say "no one can know" or "know thyself" I chose to explain WHY the question was flawed, and WHY philosophers, theologians, mystics and politicians had such difficulty coming up with a definitive answer...

Uncompetative said:
Hey Joe said:
Here's the way it works. I throw a random statement out there, and you answer it with another completely random statement that has nothing to do with the previous statement. We keep on going until somebody says something sensible or we stumble upon the meaning of life. Whatever comes first.

YOUR TOMATO IS RUDE
It is really very simple. I don't mean to spoil the fun by saying something sensible relating to the 'meaning of life', but to keep my insights on this topic to myself whilst everyone continues to stumble around in the dark trying to answer the Ultimate Question seems to be the better course of action.

Before I tackle the Ultimate Question, I should issue a warning. Do not read any further if you do not wish your spiritual, religious, socialist, communist, capitalist, humanist or deeply held philosophical point of view to go fundamentally unchallenged. I do not intend any upset of any person, communities or cultures and I would like it recognized that what follows is not my opinion or belief, but inescapable fact. Don't think I'm any happier about it than you are after reading it. However, suffice to say that I have lived with the truth for many years now and have found reassurance despite suffering periods of personal turmoil (as is quite common to all of us who have been around for a while), that I am living, to the best of my knowledge, in actual reality (i.e. no Heaven or Hell, no God, no Jesus, no Allah, no Buddha, no Tao, no life after death, no reincarnation, no spiritual plane, no metaphysics, no future of humanity, no harmony to recapture a lost Eden, no Aliens to answer your existential questions, nothing, nada, zip)...

Okay then, here goes:

When people ask the question "What is the Meaning of Life", they can mean many things when they refer to "Life"; in fact, they are actually asking multiple questions. People sometimes factor the question into a number of sub-questions, such as "why are we here?", "is there a supreme being/creator?", "what is the future of the human race?", or merely the more personal: "what SHOULD I do with my life? (even if I don't actually feel like it... tell me the real answer, I'd like to know the extent to which I am 'wasting' my life...)". All this complexity has encouraged 'logical' philosophical debate and 'emotional'/'spiritual' religious adherence, the questions have also formed themes for artists and writers, whose work has had a more derivative effect on television drama, motion pictures, animation, even video-games. All culture.

Yet, "Life" does not need to be factored in order to answer the question. "Life" does not even need to be properly defined. What I think you mean by it in the phrase "What is the Meaning of Life?" may be quite different from you know you meant. This mismatch is not a problem, as it is overshadowed by a far bigger semantic problem that has hitherto been overlooked.

Philosophers have been blind to the fact that they have made an erroneous assumption that there is an extrinsic meaning of life. Yes, there may be many intrinsic ephemeral meanings that we can personally apply to our lives, espouse in the community (such as "Don't kill babies"), enshrine in law (either secular, religious, or both), promulgate through culture (including educational institutions), or attempt to reinforce by positive feedback (for example, celebrating birthdays, baby showers, etc.) to the extent that we sometimes collectively delude ourselves that the common things humanity strives to do have real objective meaning, rather than just being a nicer way to be before death ends our the continued appreciation of 'Life, the Universe and Everything' by our inherently soulless emergent solipsistic consciousness.

To use a simple analogy, imagine you are asking a similarly structured question about something far less expansive and divisive:

"What is the colour of this shoe?"

Clearly, "shoe" is the object under consideration. When asked everyone will agree on the colour. The colour is a quality pertaining to the shoe. The shoe has colour. The colour does not have shoe. With me so far?

"What is the meaning of life?"

Ask yourself: is this the same kind of question...


I'll wait while you ruminate on it for a bit, because the truth is much better arrived at yourself, rather than being flat-out told.

Okay, enough waiting. If you've got this far, or even if you are an undisciplined reader prone to reading the final paragraph of a post, it doesn't really matter. For the conclusion you should have reached was that although a shoe has colour you cannot say that life has meaning in the exact same objective terms. This is because the concept of "life" is so vast it includes multi-coloured shoes that give meaning to women's lives, everything else you can think of and more besides that. Although by its nature it contains all meanings they are all judged subjectively. Therefore, there is no objective frame of reference to 'stand in' and pose the question "What is the meaning of life?", for to be objective to life one would have to be outside of it (physically, conceptually, semantically). Note: those thinking that there is a loophole involving Jesus being outside of life spiritually and therefore being in an objective position to tell us the true meaning or "Way" on his resurrection has one small flaw - and this isn't religious bias - even if Jesus occupied an objective frame of reference vis-a-vis LIFE he was not in an objective state of MIND, in other words he was a ghost at the time as wasn't looking at anything straight. [ Oh, I recognize I have a responsibility to prevent the spread of depression and suicide that could result from comprehending these facts about the nature and limits of semantics within the envelope of what language adheres to. Just because I have proven that there is no meaning to life does not mean that there is no point in any of us carrying on living. I have. I like the fact that there is no important thing that I really should be doing, that the consequences of my actions are only limited by society and my own desire to not leave myself with bad memories of things I have done to people. I am very keen on etiquette. I know, manners are totally unnecessary and often unreciprocated, but I like knowing that at least I made the initial effort. In a way it gives my life some small ephemeral meaning, but I'm not saying "Be excellent to each other" is in any way the Ultimate Answer, just something nice to live by as you mark the days to your hopefully natural demise. There really is no point in killing yourself, you're not getting reincarnated, you're only going to be alive once and you might die before you hit seventy, so things have got to be really bad (and stay really bad) for you not to JUST WAIT. ]
I know, it is very pretentious to quote oneself, but after I've said ALL THAT, this indiscretion of etiquette seems quite mild.
 

Reaperman Wompa

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The meaning of life is to continue life so that future life may find meaning.

I actually believe this, though i overused the word life.
 

Humanfishboy

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To quote some great guy from some point in the past:
"Man is the only creature who does not know the meaning of life is to enjoy it"
 

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Well the obvious answer gotta be 42 doesn't it.

Admittedly though I hope when we figure it out (if there is an answer) I hope reality dissolves to nothingness, that would be so funny everyone would be pissed at who ever figured it out
 

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Well spoken Uncompetetive, I think you've put things into words far more articulately and coherently than I could, but I couldn't agree with you more.

As far as being nice to each other is concerned, I think we all need only look at the wonderous social contract, as outlined by... Locke? I believe?

I think we can all agree that we like society? Civilization? Not necessary perhaps, but I personally prefer the idea of learning and growing as a species - becoming something more than just another creature stumbling about its life, unable to grasp anything beyond its basic needs for food, shelter, and sex. All good things, but i think we all want a little more (like video games!). So yes, be good unto each other, so others might be good unto you, and in the end we all get better video games. That's sound logic, no?

Without a meaning to life, we need to create our own. My vote is that we stick with the social contract idea - I don't think we can handle anarchy just yet :) - and continue to evolve, grow, learn, and make better video games.
 

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The meaning of life.live,reproduce,die.Then we learn how to do these things more efficently slowly...that is known as evolution.
 

Easykill

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The only meaning to life that I will accept is to enjoy myself. If there's a god and he has some other purpose for me, screw god. In my life I will do what I want, I refuse to put myself through unnecessary stress and unpleasantness just for what other people say is good for me. And besides, any other meaning really just feels like you're being used, doesn't it? Whether it's by evolutionary instinct or some form of god, I still won't stand for it.
 

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Technically sapience is the ability to make a judgement call aka choice, sentience is the ability to feel subjective impulse aka emotions.
 

emge

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We are organisms with the one purpose, to breed and spread. nothing more than an advanced fungi.
Simple as that, the sooner you accept it the better. Now go have a beer and think about the poor fungi who only gets to hang around in a damp and dark place.
 

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Darth Mobius post=18.62930.667240 said:
Kids, every religion says we live to procreate... I personally live for a better car, and to fix the one I have, but that is me...
Well I live to spread the seed but I guess you like working on inanimate objects then your girlfriend. But hey, Whatever floats your boat. :p
 

blezerith

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well personally i beleve the meaning of life or more correctly a constant of like to be: purpose as there is not one thing on this earth that has no purpose wither it be feed another animal or just 2 simply shag the buggery out of another of its kind (or another sheep if its a welsh-man, but u americans probably dont understand that)andyway getting back to my point all things hav purpose and therefor it is a constant of all things have it, is it not? and is you are refering to algebra then a constant is somtimes used to work out a formula, and this formula is....life. so there u hav the formation and the meaning of life all in a lovely little 7 letter word
 

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Humans are unique, but not because we are sentient, i.e, self aware, because there are animals that are self aware, like chimpanzees. If you paint a spot on a chimp's head, and show it a mirror, it'll touch the spot on its own head.
Anyway, as for the meaning of life etc, i don't really bother thinking about that sort of thing, because whether you're religious or atheist, existence doesn't make sense - there can't be anything, but there can't be nothing either.. i think...
 

Veekter

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just ask Disturbed, they seem to know the meaning of life so much they made a song about it