Juste Goose said:
I don't eat meat. It's horrible for the environment, and pretty bad for your health when you eat as much as the average person does. We're built more like herbivores that happen to be able to digest meat properly, but most people have that ratio flipped.
I'd have to argue against the idea that we're herbivores by nature or that we're built more herbivorish. But that argument would spiral into racial differences based on the thousands of years separating cultures/"races". My heritage(Algonquin) eat(and ate) meat like it's going out of style, when the Colonials came they saw my ancestors(Of only about 4 in some cases 5 generations back) as human specimens that put them to shame. I highly doubt it's because they were herbivore types. I also know for a fact, meat is the reason we're here now. Not we in the sense that life brought us here because of that, but in the sense that our brains evolved rapidly through the introduction of animal fats, growing our brains and increasing our intelligence because of it.(which is also why more and more youth are born with crooked teeth, we need less teeth to eat meat and our skulls are growing little by little to accommodate our growing brains while our jaws are shrinking due to the aforementioned not needing as many teeth.)
-"It's tasty" (I find skittles, nachos, and soda tasty, but I don't eat them but once in a great while. Self control and foresight are good things.)
Speaking only for myself, meat is filling. It gives me what I need to survive and not eat a ridiculous amount of carbohydrate laden foods that I can't digest and do absolutely nothing to stifle my hunger. I've also gotten ridiculously weak when I went 2 weeks without eating meat, so I find the "It's tasty" argument a bit invalid. It's more of a "I need to eat once living animals for my own survival." thing But, it is really tasty.
-"Real men eat meat" (Because nothing proves you are the might hunter like buying pre-cut slabs of meat raised and slaughtered by someone else.)
This ones just silly, but I'll tackle it anyway for shits and giggles. Historically speaking, real fine specimen of men(That other men look at and secretly wish they were) were generally Big Burly Hunter Gatherer types. Though, just look at Gaston from disney's beauty and the beast to see how well that turns out when you're "that guy".
-"You need protein" (You do, but only around 40 grams a day. People overshoot that by a mile, and it's excess protein is bad for your bones. I haven't eaten meat in five years, I've never taken a protein supplement, and I'm doing just fine.)
Again, I have to point out that there is a difference on a racial level(No matter how racist it is to say or think. We aren't all built identically on a metabolic level.) I'd argue that, for lack of better terms, White People metabolize most things differently than African Descendents and Aborigines people. I've seen it in action in a few studies and through my own personal tests. But as for 40 grams of protein a day, No, just, no. I'll openly admit I have a habit of eating more protein than I should, but I eat considerably less of everything else because my body either can't metabolize it(Wheat products/Dairy products) or metabolizes it poorly (Carb heavy fruits/veggies). My bodies best diet is often akin to Ketogenic eating.
If you must eat meat, eat smaller portions less often.
Again, No.
sir neillios said:
Jim_Callahan said:
I eat meat because I'm a fundamentally moral person, and meat kills fewer animals per calorie than farming plants by like two orders of magnitude.
Wut?
How in seven hells have you come to this conclusion? Are you talking about insect life dying due to pesticides? Otherwise I have no idea what you mean. In fact the opposite is true in terms of environmental impact, creating a kilogram of meat takes something like 7-10 times as much farmland as kilogram of plant based food.
Having said that, I do like meat. I do draw the line at certain foods, foie gras for example I feel causes needless suffering for what is ultimately a very unhealthy food.
I would eat synthetic meat if they managed to make it economically viable and taste okay.
It's scientifically (sort of) proven that plants not only live, but also feel pain and communicate. So, he's arguably correct in his statement. How is Fat Liver unhealthy though, is it the usual "Fat is bad for you so lets all eat 0% stuff that has added sugar to remove the fat" thing? Or do you have a legitimate reason for not enjoying fat(s).
