These people should have tried to rip off Borderlands instead of trying to rip off World of Warcraft. Me and 3 buddies toolin' around Tamriel swordin' and sorcerin' for $60? Sign me up! MMO grind with awkward mouse-and-hotbar controls, obnoxious jerks everywhere and (inevitable) goldseller spam? Yeah, no thanks.
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Common sense. What reason would Bethesda have to make more SP TES when they can push out hundreds of pounds worth of cosmetics and expansions for thier MMO.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Where the fuck did you get that from?Jandau said:The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun
Except ESO isnt being made by the same guys who make the single player titles, so there goes that morsel of 'common sense'.gigastar said:Common sense. What reason would Bethesda have to make more SP TES when they can push out hundreds of pounds worth of cosmetics and expansions for thier MMO.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Where the fuck did you get that from?Jandau said:The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun
This is why I hate MMO's or rather their allure developers have for them. They always take an existing franchise with good games and try to shoehorn the MMO aspect into it. When development is halfway to almost done, the publisher starts hyping it up as the bee's knees WoW killer. Then it comes out and is either a dud or a mildly decent single player game where you pay a monthly subscription and put up with other players in your own game. Regardless of whether they had a separate development team or not, the whole deal just looks like a betrayal to the fan base and a waste of resources and time that could be put towards the next great game. It is virtually always like that.
Let us hope this beast is soon slain so that our children may never have to face its horrors again in the future.Hazy992 said:I used to think they were old wives tales, told to children in ancient times to make them behave. I can't believe they're realMCerberus said:
Can someone kindly explain to me why ESO being developed by someone other than the core TES people and the question of if there will be more single player TES games or not, are in any way related?SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Because ESO is developed by Zenimax Online while Bethesda themselves make the single player TES and Fallout titles.gigastar said:Common sense. What reason would Bethesda have to make more SP TES when they can push out hundreds of pounds worth of cosmetics and expansions for thier MMO.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Where the fuck did you get that from?Jandau said:The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun
"I can't even be bothered to google something but I'm still going to complain MIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMI" - like 10 people in this thread, 2014
The reason your "I can't even be bothered to google something but i'm still going to complain MIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIM" people are suggesting that future is not because the TES team wont have time to do another game. It's because it makes sense. As long as ESO makes money (and it will, even once it's inevitably going the F2P way) why on earth would they make a contender for it and risk that both games make less money than they theoretically could?
Ofc, that's just a guess. I know as little about the plans of Zenimax as anyone else on here. But it's not the stupid one you make it look like. Maybe cynical though...
And where shall our savior come from? The consoles have grown fat and weak from their spunkgargleweewee. The once-benevolent PC king buries us in shovelware. The lords of mobile seek to unleash an even greater evil.nin_ninja said:Let us hope this beast is soon slain so that our children may never have to face its horrors again in the future.Hazy992 said:I used to think they were old wives tales, told to children in ancient times to make them behave. I can't believe they're realMCerberus said:
REPENT! THE END IS HERE!
You?re being way too harsh, the writhing isn?t awful its more the regular kind of bad, and the combat isn?t floaty its just kind of boring, So it?s already very similar to most mmo?s.
I?m joking and I do actually like elder scroll games even if I do think they are very flawed, even so im not going to touch the elder scrolls online until it becomes free to play.
I?m joking and I do actually like elder scroll games even if I do think they are very flawed, even so im not going to touch the elder scrolls online until it becomes free to play.
Because the assumption that Elder Scrolls Online means no more single-player Elder Scrolls until it dies would mean that the Bethesda team who work on Elder Scrolls games are doing literally nothing in the meantime, because they have essentially nothing to do with Elder Scrolls Online.ramox said:Can someone kindly explain to me why ESO being developed by someone other than the core TES people and the question of if there will be more single player TES games or not, are in any way related?SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Because ESO is developed by Zenimax Online while Bethesda themselves make the single player TES and Fallout titles.gigastar said:Common sense. What reason would Bethesda have to make more SP TES when they can push out hundreds of pounds worth of cosmetics and expansions for thier MMO.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:Where the fuck did you get that from?Jandau said:The worst thing about ES:O is that while it's active, you won't see a new "proper" Elder Scrolls game. Yeah, let that sink in. For the next 5-10 years (or more), there will be no new Elder Scrolls. Have fun
"I can't even be bothered to google something but I'm still going to complain MIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMI" - like 10 people in this thread, 2014
I should think it would easy to determine that that assumption is rather silly. Companies can't make money if they do nothing to make money with, and no company is so stupid that they're going to rely on a single MMO as their entire revenue stream. Even Blizzard still releases games other than World of Warcraft.
Selling services, collectors editions and pieces torn from that CE with new skins in your account management is a cash shop now? Was it a cash shop when blizzard did it? Did you neglect to comment on Blizzard adding a cash shop because you felt they already had one? You do know that people think there is an honest to god in game cash shop in ESO right, even though there isn't? Care to guess why people think that?
Oh but they did. They made Fallout 3 and some years back a racing game no one knows according to wikipedia. Who's to say they don't make another Fallout for the time being? Or something new entirely?
Again, i am not stating this as facts or the future we have to face. But i do think this scenario is not THAT unrealistic and i wouldn't dismiss it out of little more than hope and the ill believe that a big company will do anything other than what get's them the most possible profit.
I'm going to be avoiding this one for one simple reason: as it's an MMO, that means I can't mod it. Elder Scrolls games are a great framework that can be tweaked and customized to be the game you want it to be. Wilderness survival simulator? Hardcore pornography? Or simply improve upon the game and play it as is.
So did they add a scar to Erin's face just to see if anybody would notice in the inevitable MMO vs Single player debate that would come from the thread?
Or did I miss something in a prior comic?
Or did I miss something in a prior comic?
A few points:
1. Bethesda is still developing new single player games for both Fallout and Elder Scrolls. This was made clear from the very beginning as when ESO was first announced the initial reactions were "OMG, this means no single player games" and Bethesda was quick to say this was not the truth.
2. Elder Scrolls Online is pretty much charging standard rates. The cost is box plus subscription. You cannot consider that truly "double dipping" as that has been the way MMOs were being sold since pretty much the very beginning. I say pretty much because the first MMOs actually charged you by the hour or minute. But Everquest, WoW, Ultima Online, and others all used this basic business model.
So far I have yet to run into any real micro transactions. The outrage over this so far was because people who bought standard editions of the game got all POed that people who bought the Collector's Edition got a free horse. Unlike other MMOs the mount system in ESO is a little more advanced, as your mount levels up when you feed it once a day, and you can raise it's base speed, sprinting, and carrying capacity (it adds to your inventory). Bethesda's response was to release a brown version of the same horse as an add on for the game, so those who didn't buy a collector's edition could get the same benefit. While this appeased some whiners, it pretty much got other whiners on their case about starting with micro transactions.
This does not mean there will not be other micro transactions later however, but so far there don't seem to be any that I have seen.
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THAT said, I myself as a player (and former beta player) will tell you that the game itself isn't great. As I said with Beta it has potential, like a lot of MMOs do, but a lot of it depends on what they do with it, and how fast.
I do agree that the combat is a bit of a mess, it's one of those cases where people complained about everything being a "WoW clone" and so they set out to create a more active kind of battle system where you have to aim melee attacks and such, rather than everything being "tab target, auto attack, and use abilities". Really he only part of the system that is WoW-like is tying your abilities to hotkeys (and really there aren't many more efficient ways to do it). It also seems to have taken some nods from say "The Secret World" where while you could have a dozen or more abilities it only lets you have 5 things you can do active at any given time (and one "ultimate" power) which forces you to pretty much create micro-builds within each class. Weapon switching being less for having an actual alternate weapon, as much as a way to access another 5 abilities.
I've still got my eye on "Wildstar" somewhat, but the way things are looking is that I doubt we'll see another great MMO until Blizzard again shows everyone how it's done. ESO seemed to fall into the trap of innovation for the sake of innovation without testing itself too heavily. What's more it seemed to isolate itself from the fans, where the open betas were more for stress testing than actually getting feedback (and their feedback was through some rather impersonal surveys that didn't allow for a lot of expression).
I'll probably play ESO for a little while before I drop it (burned out on other games), unless of course it does something to seriously kindle interest. For the most part "Neverwinter" (which it's combat reminds me of for some reason) did this kind of combat better. Albeit Neverwinter is one of the most monetized games I've run into, while people have a kneejerk reaction to subscriptions, I actually find things like "pay for inventory space" even more annoying.
1. Bethesda is still developing new single player games for both Fallout and Elder Scrolls. This was made clear from the very beginning as when ESO was first announced the initial reactions were "OMG, this means no single player games" and Bethesda was quick to say this was not the truth.
2. Elder Scrolls Online is pretty much charging standard rates. The cost is box plus subscription. You cannot consider that truly "double dipping" as that has been the way MMOs were being sold since pretty much the very beginning. I say pretty much because the first MMOs actually charged you by the hour or minute. But Everquest, WoW, Ultima Online, and others all used this basic business model.
So far I have yet to run into any real micro transactions. The outrage over this so far was because people who bought standard editions of the game got all POed that people who bought the Collector's Edition got a free horse. Unlike other MMOs the mount system in ESO is a little more advanced, as your mount levels up when you feed it once a day, and you can raise it's base speed, sprinting, and carrying capacity (it adds to your inventory). Bethesda's response was to release a brown version of the same horse as an add on for the game, so those who didn't buy a collector's edition could get the same benefit. While this appeased some whiners, it pretty much got other whiners on their case about starting with micro transactions.
This does not mean there will not be other micro transactions later however, but so far there don't seem to be any that I have seen.
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THAT said, I myself as a player (and former beta player) will tell you that the game itself isn't great. As I said with Beta it has potential, like a lot of MMOs do, but a lot of it depends on what they do with it, and how fast.
I do agree that the combat is a bit of a mess, it's one of those cases where people complained about everything being a "WoW clone" and so they set out to create a more active kind of battle system where you have to aim melee attacks and such, rather than everything being "tab target, auto attack, and use abilities". Really he only part of the system that is WoW-like is tying your abilities to hotkeys (and really there aren't many more efficient ways to do it). It also seems to have taken some nods from say "The Secret World" where while you could have a dozen or more abilities it only lets you have 5 things you can do active at any given time (and one "ultimate" power) which forces you to pretty much create micro-builds within each class. Weapon switching being less for having an actual alternate weapon, as much as a way to access another 5 abilities.
I've still got my eye on "Wildstar" somewhat, but the way things are looking is that I doubt we'll see another great MMO until Blizzard again shows everyone how it's done. ESO seemed to fall into the trap of innovation for the sake of innovation without testing itself too heavily. What's more it seemed to isolate itself from the fans, where the open betas were more for stress testing than actually getting feedback (and their feedback was through some rather impersonal surveys that didn't allow for a lot of expression).
I'll probably play ESO for a little while before I drop it (burned out on other games), unless of course it does something to seriously kindle interest. For the most part "Neverwinter" (which it's combat reminds me of for some reason) did this kind of combat better. Albeit Neverwinter is one of the most monetized games I've run into, while people have a kneejerk reaction to subscriptions, I actually find things like "pay for inventory space" even more annoying.