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Sparrow said:
Sounds like bullshit. Of course, most feminist theories sound like bullshit to me. Rarely do I hear one and go "you know what, that sounds pretty logical!" I think probably because hardcore feminists (who just happen to be the most vocal feminists) have ruined it for regular feminists, but also because feminists have a way of making everything about a battle between the sexes. A guy doesn't want to cook? Oh, clearly it's because he hates women for some reason or another. It couldn't just be because he doesn't fucking like cooking.
I suggest you meet a few feminists some day, rather than letting third-hand accounts from Rush Limbaugh dictate your views.

More likely than not, it sounds like bullshit to you for the same reason it sounds like bullshit to the majority of men: convenience. Not changing takes literally zero effort. Even throwing in excessive rationalisation takes a very minimal effort.
 

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This might be the case for some men. I have a different theory- it's a matter of insecurity.

Do you see the men who are, for lack of a better term, blatantly heterosexual? They're the first to hit on any remotely interested-looking woman nearby, or to brag about their latest "conquest" to their friends. They're the most likely to use "gay" as a derogatory term, to loudly decry gay men as "disgusting" but lesbians (at least, most of them) "hot".

They're posturing.

It's a simple game to them- the "manliest" man wins. He wins the hot chicks (he can't imagine women being interested in anything else), he wins the adulation of all his manly friends. If you don't win, you lose, and that means being alone, without women and without friends- and the super-"manly" man can't handle that. Anything that takes away from their self-assigned "manly" score is therefore treated as the enemy, to be scorned at best and actively attacked at worst. These "manly" men can't handle the idea of even being associated with a gay man, because that's "minus points" for even tacitly accepting something so un-"manly".

So why do lesbians get a pass? They don't. Bisexual women do, and "manly" men assume that every lesbian is secretly just waiting for a "manly" man to get in on the fun. Watch how quickly a confirmed lesbian- you know, the one with no actual sexual interest in men- gets called a "dyke", and taunted for being "too ugly to score with a man" (even if said man was actively trying to get in her pants just moments ago). It's a form of cover- being denied by an attractive woman for any reason is "minus points".

Of course, there's no mainline standard for men any more than there is for women. But that's how I see a fair number of the virulent anti-gay guys as acting.
 

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Sometimes I wonder if it's 'cus penises are ugly.

Then again vaginas can be ugly too.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Sparrow said:
Sounds like bullshit. Of course, most feminist theories sound like bullshit to me. Rarely do I hear one and go "you know what, that sounds pretty logical!" I think probably because hardcore feminists (who just happen to be the most vocal feminists) have ruined it for regular feminists, but also because feminists have a way of making everything about a battle between the sexes. A guy doesn't want to cook? Oh, clearly it's because he hates women for some reason or another. It couldn't just be because he doesn't fucking like cooking.
I suggest you meet a few feminists some day, rather than letting third-hand accounts from Rush Limbaugh dictate your views.

More likely than not, it sounds like bullshit to you for the same reason it sounds like bullshit to the majority of men: convenience. Not changing takes literally zero effort. Even throwing in excessive rationalisation takes a very minimal effort.
Did you seriously just imply I'm narrow minded and then say "the majority of men hate feminists because they're a threat!"? I have met feminists. In fact, most folks I know seem be feminists. It's the hip new thing to be. The ones that are vocal, though. The ones that make theories and ramble on about it even when people don't bring it up, who try to make every situation some direct route to sexism... is it so wrong to just disregard everything they say?
 

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Did you seriously just imply I'm narrow minded and then say "the majority of men hate feminists because they're a threat!"?
No. Did you just seriously ignore what I actually said in favour of something I didn't say?

Yes.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Sparrow said:
Did you seriously just imply I'm narrow minded and then say "the majority of men hate feminists because they're a threat!"?
No. Did you just seriously ignore what I actually said in favour of something I didn't say?

Yes.
You called me some Rush Limbaugh loving sexist. Excuse me if I don't take you seriously from here on out.