Message to all anime viewers(NSFW): Cross Ange Tenshi to Ryu no Rondo

[Otakun]

For anyone who has seen episode 2, now that's showing sexual assault. Not this implication or framing bull crap you guys are complaining about.

You really think that framing has nothing to do in a visual medium do you?

I will watch that episode when Crunchy streams it and post a reaction thread but if the first episode is any implication, the purpose of that scene and the framing of it within the context of the episode will probably offend me and a lot of people

Well, it's obvious that you miss my point. I am not ignorant to framing, I just find that your complains on how it was used in the situation to be stupid. Pretty sure I've made it clear that I find your whole stance on this to be childish and puritan.

 

[IceForce]

I kinda wish the Escapist forums had an "ignore" button.

It does. Click the username (above the avatar), and there's an ignore button.

 

[Piorn]

FTR neither have I, but I don't think the mass appeal of the ass comes primarily from people liking anal. its more the roundness/squishinees and also its relations to the hips (Imo the sexiest part of the female body)

Ohh don't get me wrong, I like asses, both in biological hardwiring and personal choice. It served as a vital fertility indicator in primate times, and still tickles parts of our brain today, whether we decide to fetishize it or not.

It's just the idea of "sticking it up the pooper" I don't get.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I will probably regret doing this

for those who still care about this show, my reactions to the second episode are here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.862749-Cross-Ange-episode-2-reaction].

this show will probably break me

 

[wearesoneutralthatithurts]

I love how all the people defending this have anime avatars and their defense is usually "I've seen worse, so it's ok!" Priceless.

Anyway, I find "pornographic rape" to be pretty sickening and encourage people that enjoy it to question their choice of entertainment. Is it worse than the West's gore fetish? Hmm... inherently no, but socially yes. Rape porn is almost exclusively violence against women, so when pornographic rape is normalised in culture it can influence some very unhealthy attitudes towards women (and towards men, from the woman's perspective). It creates a divide between the genders. Gore in the West tends to be gender indiscriminate, so even when it becomes normalised in culture it isn't so divisive. There's still something to be said about a culture that glorifies blowing each other apart though, no doubt.

or maybe...just maybe, we shouldn't think we know what's best for people based on what they like. I think I can tell that I'm not suppose to treat something that doesn't exist to a real human being.

And you do know there are woman who do have rape fetishes? Sure, it may be creepy, but so what? Who are you to tell them what they can't do?

Well i am a woman who has a rape fetish. that DOESNT MEAN I WANT THAT SHIT EVERYWHERE..
i want it in PORN goddamkt. maybe in my bed with my SO. I dont wannat get cathced off guard because rape-ply in one situation is fine and in another its horrid.

the problem for me isnt that this stuff exists but that this situation comes without warning.

i mean if you have a bad tooth you get the shit done at a dentist- he pulls the thing. thats fine. not fine would be you sitting in the cinema, you dentist clubbing you k.o and then extracting your teeth there. in both cases its a denstist, you dont feel pain, but one is fine because you define the rules, you have control. in the other case you dont.

thats a reason for rape-fantasies-they are about control, because in real rape you have none at all. getting hit with violent and eroticizing images of rape without being able to get mentally prepared can be pretty triggering.
(an in PTS you have no control over that.)


so i really dont get the problem people have with trigger warnings-people dont have problems with the PEGI- system or short synopsis for movies or books.
so it could be easy to just add a short sentence or icon for "sexual violence against children/adults/ physical abuse of children/adults /hatespeech/racism/blablabla"
i mean there isa icon for drug use...

people who dont care dont have to read it, but for games or media it could be in a form of a short sentence and or icon similar to PEGI and the Pg/R etc- rating system.
The synopsis and critique in media usually helps establishing such elements so that people can make a INFORMED decision to consume the media fully or maybe watch it with friends who knwo it and can warn the person and jump to the nex scene etc.

this "wawawawawa-go-back-to-tumblr" is rather nasty and
I really dont get why its so hard to be considerate of other peoples feelings-especially if its about prodound terror and pain. I mean that shit isnt about "ouch i hit my toe"(well unless you broke it or stuff. getting triggered is no suprsexyfuntimes or iamnotfeelingverywelltimes, but OMGSHITI AM GOINT TO DIE-panictimes. (well for people with ptsd. but reading a bit of trigger/contentwarning isnt that hard)

 

[wearesoneutralthatithurts]

Lol, the people going "it wasn't really rape! And it served a narrative purpose, so it's fine!" apparently are blind to any sort of framing. When a woman gets bent over a table, with lots of shots on her wriggling panty-clad ass and has something shoved up it, it's hard to argue that it's anything but a rape scene meant to titillate. Not to mention the aftermath where she's lying there with blood coming out of her ass (I think it's "actually" her mother's, but it's pretty clearly placed to look like it's coming from her ass). Yeah, it was supposed to bring her to her "lowest point" or whatever, but this is the message it was sending: "Hey, this is pretty fucked up... but kinda hot, right?"

If you don't find that gross, I don't know what to tell you.

Woah, it's like rape fetishes don't exist.

btw that is not that sexy, even for me..
(blood in rl=nice. but a ripped ass is really unsexy in regards to pain, u kno. its pretty shit.. /cicada..)

(all rights of Kurosu Anju Tenshi to Ryū no Rondo to Studio Sunrise)

 

[SAMAS]

It just that, after two days of agonizing over this, it seems likely that Izanagi has probably spent more time thinking about this scene than anybody else on the planet, including the people that made it.

Seems counter productive.

Well, it's even more counter productive since he wanted people to not watch the show based on this one scene but by making it such a big deal has only gotten more people to watch it who would have over looked the anime as a simple fanservice anime.

Yeah a simple fanservice anime with a torture scene of a very dissonant tone in it.

Remind me again, why it shouldn't be brought up that the show is dissonant in tone and that it could be a sign of bad writing?

Dissonance in and of itself is not a bad thing. And it's fairly obvious they're trying to go for that.

I mean, let's take a further back look at the same episode, where we are introduced to our Heroine. We see a graceful, Oujou-like girl, skilled in sports but graceful in defeat.

Five minutes later, we see her tell a woman whose child is forcibly being taken away that her baby was not human, and next time, she should try to have a real baby. With that same goddamned gracious smile on her face (It's one of the best examples of the hypocrisy inherent in racism I have ever seen in any medium).

Then the hammer falls. Turns out, SHE'S an "abomination", too. Suddenly, she's not just fallen, but considered an enemy of society, just for existing. For a crime she never even knew she committed. And suddenly the only person willing to stand for her is taken from her too. They even cut to the still-distraught mother from before, going through sorrow and schadenfreude in equal measure, as she sees the girl who has come to personify her grief undergo the same pain she had put her through.

I guess but did the dissonance have to be present during the torture scene? seeing her ass and panties for the few seconds they were on is enough for me to say that the purpose of the scene is confused.

Maybe. We don't know what the story behind the production is. They could be revolting against mandates handed down from the top ("you want more ass? I'll give you some ass!"), or maybe they're really just into that. Whatever the reason though, it feels intentional from where I'm standing.