Metal that's not metal!

[open trap]

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Megadeth (early)
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ehem, megadeth always, even their shit albums like World needs a Hero and Risk are pretty good.

 

[UltraParanoia]

Spoiler: To make the post a bit more managable

Edit: Speaking of Metal that isn't Metal...

Spoiler: As it turns out, Death Metal can improve a lot of stuff

Now, I'm concerned, mostly because I kinda like it.

 

[Hiphophippo]

Coincidentally enough I've had that Alcest album on my "Big list o' things to buy" for a while now, so it's great that you quoted me, because I'd almost forgotten I was supposed to go acquire it. Thanks for the unintentional reminder!

Totally worth it then. More money to Neige for more amazing music!

 

[k3v1n]

stop listening to Disturbed and start listening to Motörhead if you really like good music

Well Ace of Spades was a fucking awesome album, can you recommend others?

I'm not sure if you mean albums or bands

if you mean albums: Iron Fist, Bomber, Overkill, Motörhead
if you mean bands: I don't know, there are shit tons of good bands all over the globe

 

[AgentNein]

Besides, if you think metal bands have a problem with this kinda thing, pity third wave sak fans; countless bands have turned into generic pop-punk acts and lost the horn sections.

Third wave ska fans completely deserve it, third wave ska itself being an utter bastardization of ska made by white kids in the american suburbs.

 

[lithiumvocals]

Deep Purple and Blue Oyster Cult. Two of the best "pre-metal" metal bands. May I suggest Speed King and Transmaniacon MC for your listening pleasures?

EDIT: And The Sword's "Gods of the Earth"

 

[Ben Rea]

I think that metal is the best genre of music there is but bands who are classed as metal sometimes want to changethey dont want to sound the same and somethimes make a softer songs I beleive that if this song at least has a meaning and in my opinion still good but not totally diffrent then why stop it metal is a good genre but sometimes we need to mix it up a little do something thats never been done before which is what bands like black sabbath were trying to do when they started the genre

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

Got the new Disturbed album last week and I was disappointed with it. It wasn't heavy at all and I really expected it to be more like Indestructible. This seems to be happening more and more today; metal bands are going softer. And I find that extremely disappointing because I love thrash metal. Is it too much to ask that my Metal is fucking metal? Discuss, disagree, recommend some heavy metal, call me a fucktard, whatever.

You can't scream into a mike for decades at a time. Metal bands are going soft because their throats are wrecked and their all half deaf.

That, and the whole 'I'm getting older, I probably should prove to these fools that I actually know how to sing' thing.

Pretty much sums it up.

Add in David Draiman's interesting gutteral noises that he's always to quick to show off and he's getting pretty fucked up. Metallica was a forerunner in thrash metal. Now listen to all their soft songs and you wonder "What happened?" They played a few to many screamers

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Besides, if you think metal bands have a problem with this kinda thing, pity third wave ska fans; countless bands have turned into generic pop-punk acts and lost the horn sections.

Third wave ska fans completely deserve it, third wave ska itself being an utter bastardization of ska made by white kids in the american suburbs.

Just like 2nd wave ska is a bastardization? Or british rock music from the late 60's/early seventies is a bastardization of American blues?

By it's own merits 3rd wave/ska punk is a fun and suprisingly complex (try learning some of the basslines!) genre of music, but loads of bands like Goldfinger went for a mainstream Blink 182-esque sound.

 

[MrShowerHead]

Asylum was pretty awesome IMO. But hey, I'm just one Disturbed fanboy, so don't listen to me

Anyway, other metal bands, hmm.......
Five Finger Death Punch
Volbeat(?)
Amorphis
Children of bodom

And for the lulz....
Van Canto

 

[Blindswordmaster]

Got the new Disturbed album last week and I was disappointed with it. It wasn't heavy at all and I really expected it to be more like Indestructible. This seems to be happening more and more today; metal bands are going softer. And I find that extremely disappointing because I love thrash metal. Is it too much to ask that my Metal is fucking metal? Discuss, disagree, recommend some heavy metal, call me a fucktard, whatever.

Can I just say that METAL as being METAL originally was what we call Hard rock In modern days

People like you piss me off

Metal is something totally different from the screamy gorey belching we see nowadays

And I agree. Like I said earlier, I really don't like Slipknot or Korn. I actually like HEAVY metal. I'm just saying that I'm tired of bands going softer. Though I know Disturbed were never especially heavy, it's still disappointing to have then lose what heaviness they did have. But metal is like a drug to me, I constantly need heavier stuff. Now that you know my position, please tell me exactly why I piss you off.

There's a difference between high pitched yells yelling and clean singing and Puking out words as if Someone has just ripped out your vocal chords

Anyway I thought and still kinda do think that's the way you're edging metal/heavy metal

or maybe you agree I'm not sure

Again you and I agree, when I talk about Heavy metal I'm talking about instruments, not vocals. Though I occasionally enjoy Cannibal Corpse, I prefer understandable lyrics that follow an actual melody. I'm afraid that I still can't see where we differ.

 

[AgentNein]

Besides, if you think metal bands have a problem with this kinda thing, pity third wave ska fans; countless bands have turned into generic pop-punk acts and lost the horn sections.

Third wave ska fans completely deserve it, third wave ska itself being an utter bastardization of ska made by white kids in the american suburbs.

Just like 2nd wave ska is a bastardization? Or british rock music from the late 60's/early seventies is a bastardization of American blues?

By it's own merits 3rd wave/ska punk is a fun and suprisingly complex (try learning some of the basslines!) genre of music, but loads of bands like Goldfinger went for a mainstream Blink 182-esque sound.

I'd argue that 2nd wave two tone was a perfectly reasonable evolution of the 1st wave of ska, and that 3rd wave was the white-America-co-opt version. Removing any scary 'blackness' or actual politics and replacing them with high school antics to make it as safe as possible in a failed attempt to hit the mainstream airwaves.

 

[Docbrown]

UMM
metal is the worlds largest genre because it can be anything
your "thrash Metal" is simply one kind
get your head out of your ass and stop being narrow minded
disturbed is an example of waht metal is in its essence
deep dark and meaningful
thats it
thats metals criteria
metall encompases def leppard and motley crue to finnish troll bands and scream urchins
elevuite
rammstein
disturbed
pain
ect
all bands that are not all about super fast overly hard guitar and drums and harsh lyrical groans
all metal
realise that they are all still metal
just not thrash

as for getting softer its simple
softer music does better in the US as its main vehicle is shit like kesha
the only thing they have to market to is rock fans who still are afraid of metal
not to be mean but your thrash and gothic and black metals have become the stereotype of metal because you refuse to allow anything else to be called metal even when it is
your exclusionism has lead to you being excluded(fyi not you just people like you in general)
metal isnt accepted because its veiwed as repulsive because we only hear your stuff outside of the world
its only accepted in europe however europe doesn't feed bands money like the west does
so bands market to the western rock fans ie softer

i like to ay im a metal fan but sadly im really not
I really only listen to bands taht fall into the NDH metal genre but its so rare its not even recognized in the states
i do this because there the ones trying everything and pushing boundaries of what can be done rather then simply smashing away at instruments
theres something to be said about the speed and skill some artists perform these days but it takes more then skill to make music
i find that many genres lack enough stars with "musical talent" to reallly test the genre
Metal is filled with "technically talented" people but the music they make is simply a test of there dexterity and not of there expresion and thus it lacks

 

[darth gditch]

Eh, I pretty much only listen to Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Megadeth for my metal. For my quasi-metal, I listen to Dragonforce, Black Sabbath, Avenged Sevenfold, and Diablo Swing Orchestra. No, I'm not kidding about that last one.

Diablo swing Orchestra are brilliant.

I'd rather you be kidding about A7X...

Truth be told, I only like the Beast and the Harlot, you can thank Guitar Hero for that one. XD

And I only recently discovered Diablo Swing Orchestra and agree that they're brilliant; the way they blend musical styles is amazing.

 

[darth gditch]

Besides, if you think metal bands have a problem with this kinda thing, pity third wave ska fans; countless bands have turned into generic pop-punk acts and lost the horn sections.

Third wave ska fans completely deserve it, third wave ska itself being an utter bastardization of ska made by white kids in the american suburbs.

Just like 2nd wave ska is a bastardization? Or british rock music from the late 60's/early seventies is a bastardization of American blues?

By it's own merits 3rd wave/ska punk is a fun and suprisingly complex (try learning some of the basslines!) genre of music, but loads of bands like Goldfinger went for a mainstream Blink 182-esque sound.

I'd argue that 2nd wave two tone was a perfectly reasonable evolution of the 1st wave of ska, and that 3rd wave was the white-America-co-opt version. Removing any scary 'blackness' or actual politics and replacing them with high school antics to make it as safe as possible in a failed attempt to hit the mainstream airwaves.

Hey, I like my white-America-co-opt version just fine, being a white american kid from the suburbs myself. Good point, very good point and true even. But does that make it irrelevant as music? I mean, just because the lyrics are not as meaningful, does that make the whole genre irrelevant as art or music? And besides, are we white, soft, suburbanites not allowed to take a cool genre that sounds awesome and put our own pathetic angst into it? Are we not worthy?

Heeheehee, probably not, but I still rate Reel Big Fish as my 3rd favorite band, the angsty white boy I am. XD

 

[jpoon]

I definitely would recommend Opeth, they have been amazing since the beginning, they still kick some major ass.

Spoiler: Deliverance by OPETH

 

[ENKC]

http://www.metal-archives.com/

There's 70,000 plus acts on there. If you want metal that is metal, look for metal bands, not mainstream rock acts with a harder edge. I own all Disturbed's albums (including several special editions), but they're not true metal and were never trying to be.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

Well Disturbed has never really ever been "metal" but then again some people are very picky about what makes metal and what doesnt. I like disturbed, not my favourite band ever, but they did get me into some other bands like Metallica and Ozzy Osbourne.

btw, you should have called this thread "I cant believe its not metal!"

 

[Snotnarok]

I never considered Disturbed really Metal...At the Gates? Now that's metal.

 

[AgentNein]

Besides, if you think metal bands have a problem with this kinda thing, pity third wave ska fans; countless bands have turned into generic pop-punk acts and lost the horn sections.

Third wave ska fans completely deserve it, third wave ska itself being an utter bastardization of ska made by white kids in the american suburbs.

Just like 2nd wave ska is a bastardization? Or british rock music from the late 60's/early seventies is a bastardization of American blues?

By it's own merits 3rd wave/ska punk is a fun and suprisingly complex (try learning some of the basslines!) genre of music, but loads of bands like Goldfinger went for a mainstream Blink 182-esque sound.

I'd argue that 2nd wave two tone was a perfectly reasonable evolution of the 1st wave of ska, and that 3rd wave was the white-America-co-opt version. Removing any scary 'blackness' or actual politics and replacing them with high school antics to make it as safe as possible in a failed attempt to hit the mainstream airwaves.

Hey, I like my white-America-co-opt version just fine, being a white american kid from the suburbs myself. Good point, very good point and true even. But does that make it irrelevant as music? I mean, just because the lyrics are not as meaningful, does that make the whole genre irrelevant as art or music? And besides, are we white, soft, suburbanites not allowed to take a cool genre that sounds awesome and put our own pathetic angst into it? Are we not worthy?

Heeheehee, probably not, but I still rate Reel Big Fish as my 3rd favorite band, the angsty white boy I am. XD

No, you're right. I'm not saying it's not a relevant form of music, really. Because it is. And white suburbanite kids in the US have every right to make whatever music they want to. I mean, any genre can give us some cool shit. I'm just saying that I personally feel that 3rd wave ska fans being upset that their genre has gone to crap can be filed in the "what comes around goes around" category! Live by the genre shift, die by the genre shift and all that jazz.