Alright, you have me there, but I was making a dramatic statement. That said, I'm sure that they stole something, even just among the minutiae, because it is frankly impossible not to at this point.ChromeAlchemist said:
Microsoft did not copy Miis
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Hmm maybe. And nice quote btw bout the artists, I think I will be stealing that ;-D.orannis62 said:
Oh please, everyone bitched about it, where the hell have you guys been? Seriously, everyone bitches about everything Sony does, but on to the actual reason why I posted;ChromeAlchemist said:
HOLY CRAP ON A SHIT-SICLE!D_987 said:
He's right. Who the hell cares anymore?
Ratchet and clank did achievements first, and better.(I am not saying it was the first overall, first in consoles really to reward players for doing something a certain way.)orannis62 said:
Bill Gates stole the GUI, so this is would be worst of what they have done... Personally I find the whole thing pretty pointless.
Though... everyone at the time (including Apple, MS and Commodore) stole it from Xerox.TheMightyAtrox said:
Then Microsoft improves upon the idea and the cycle continues. You can put a "steals" in there if you like but it won't stop the cycle of improvement and proliferation.Bulletinmybrain said:
Never knew this was a problem.
Lets say hypothetically that they did steal the idea.
. . .
So what?
Lets say hypothetically that they did steal the idea.
. . .
So what?
Look, Nintendo obviously didn't invent the concept of avatars. But the overall look and design of the X-Box avatars looks a lot like Miis. They could have made them more realistic, or more cartooney, but the have the exact same look and feel as Miis. Big heads, cute and cartooney while retaining human features. This is just the usual corporate bull that goes with the territory.
I think Avatars aren't a copy, and I'lltel you why with the little flimsy evidence I just produced out of the top of my head 
Some years ago, as you might remember, our beloved and behated game devloper Sony decided it wouldn't be a horribe idea to copy Nintendos controller vibration system to the finest detailing. Not the greatest of the horrible ideas Sony has ever had, and of course, of went Nintendo to fight the hordes of the Antichrist and lawsuited Sony. Sony learned their lesson and developed their own system. Some years later, around came Microsoft and his controllers had vibration too. However themechanism was different. Ergo, no possible lawsuit could be done.
Some years later, Nintendo decided on an avatar system for their brand new console, which would imply integrating the little unfortunate toy human into whacky and crazy scenarios. It worked crazy well, and everyone liked it. But then a year or so later, Microsoft added avatars to his console system through a (I must say) rater obnoxious update (WHEN'S THE GODFORSAKEN MOVIE BAZAR GOING TO COME UP?!?!?!?!), and although they looked prettier than Nintendo's homologous, they were also rather less worthy. And therefore, they're not ripping off Nintendo, they're just ripping off history. And I bet Sony will copy the Mii's to a pinch (I DESPISE SONY, OK?!) And that's the end of our story kids, have fun blowing up buildings, but remember, it's only ism if there's people inside.
Some years ago, as you might remember, our beloved and behated game devloper Sony decided it wouldn't be a horribe idea to copy Nintendos controller vibration system to the finest detailing. Not the greatest of the horrible ideas Sony has ever had, and of course, of went Nintendo to fight the hordes of the Antichrist and lawsuited Sony. Sony learned their lesson and developed their own system. Some years later, around came Microsoft and his controllers had vibration too. However themechanism was different. Ergo, no possible lawsuit could be done.
Some years later, Nintendo decided on an avatar system for their brand new console, which would imply integrating the little unfortunate toy human into whacky and crazy scenarios. It worked crazy well, and everyone liked it. But then a year or so later, Microsoft added avatars to his console system through a (I must say) rater obnoxious update (WHEN'S THE GODFORSAKEN MOVIE BAZAR GOING TO COME UP?!?!?!?!), and although they looked prettier than Nintendo's homologous, they were also rather less worthy. And therefore, they're not ripping off Nintendo, they're just ripping off history. And I bet Sony will copy the Mii's to a pinch (I DESPISE SONY, OK?!) And that's the end of our story kids, have fun blowing up buildings, but remember, it's only ism if there's people inside.
Plausible, yes. Believable, No.Eldritch Warlord said:
This is like saying Microsoft had the idea for Lips like 5 years ago, you know before Singstar, and In The Movies, you know 7 years ago before the EyeToy, and you know making a game console like 25 years ago. They just waited.
I don't have a problem with it, it makes sense. but come on they look so si'mii'lar.
True, but as I stated there more for the casual gamer. If you were a kid and your mam looked at your me she would say or think your playing something warm and fuzzy, no game comes to mind, but you go back to your game and you hacking the heads of zombies while laughing at the zombie who got stuck in the wall cause your game crashed.
Like it's been said, the actual achievements part isn't the most important part of it (those had been floating around before Spyro 2, which is where a lot of people today saw them for the first time, I remember some shmups having them). It's having a unified highscore system for people who actually do them that is supported by every game you play on the system. Anyone saying that Sony isn't taking cues from Microsoft when they implemented trophies is lying to themselves. Sony is just as eager to copy things as any company and if you give them the possibility, they can also be very draconian in their practices.Bulletinmybrain said:
But here's another example: Motion control was also around for ages before the Wii, but none of them had it as a main feature of the console and supported by all the games.
As for the avatar system, well...I never saw why people are so riled by them, since the avatar update also basically made sure that you don't have to visit the dashboard to do anything. Except maybe copy games, but I don't really do that either.
I think its to do with their reputation and dominance in the OS world and the tradition of using other software's ideas, IE7 using tab browsing after it became popular on FireFox for an example. People just apply it to their consoles now as well.orannis62 said:
Anyway there isn't a software company on earth that hasn't used someone else's idea Microsoft being the biggest is just the poster boy for it. I don't see anything wrong with it really, copyright laws are bad enough as it is.
Liked the last quote btw.
Richard Groovy Pants said:
Oooooh! Yeah, that would suck. I bet they did steal the idea though, but I personally don't care if they did or not. If they got caught doing it, like really caught somehow. . .i'd find it hilarious!
When you say it like that yeah it sounds dodgy but you have to understand that the NXE is something never done before, wholesale rejuvenation of a brand DURING a console's life cycle. My understanding, and this is from a few artist I know who were contracted to Rare for NXE, is that the whole idea popped up around mid 2005 before the 360 came out, but that there wasn't time to implement what was essentially feature creep and went in the big bag of "Nice things for the next console" then came the Wii presentation in May 2006 (I think) and MS found themselves slapping forehead a bit.LukeUK90 said:
It's very easy of course to claim you had an idea and didn't act on it, both MS and Nintendo are doing that, hell I'm going to claim I had the idea for Halo, it's not true but apparently you can do that a la wikipedia Miyamoto-san